Is Brooks Lee Ready?

[JD-TWINS]

On 3/8/2024 at 12:04 PM, Rod Carews Birthday said:

Of the Twins’ shortcomings, depth at 2nd base is absolutely the least of them.  That’s actually part of the reason that he ISN’T going to break camp with the Twins.  Both Farmer and Castro are perfectly acceptable second basemen and would likely be starters on lots of teams.  Julien, meanwhile, is a budding star who has proven that he belongs in the majors and there is no need to supplant him at the position.    

As to Lee’s hitting in the minors.  He’s been solid, not great.  Great minor league numbers are OPS’s in the .900 to 1.000 range or even higher.  If he were in the majors with his current numbers, that would be excellent for a rookie, but he’s not there yet. Be patient.  

If the Twins are in search of a Rookie of the Year award (which they shouldn’t be, because that’s not always what’s best for a prospect), they should leave him in St. Paul all year and (hopefully) watch him really rake while getting more experience all over the field and learning to hit left-handed pitching.  Then, next year when they bring him up, he will be fully ready and actually have a chance for that to happen.  Most of all, I want him on the Twins team when he is ready, when there is a place for him to play on a daily basis, and when he will be able to be successful and not sent back to minors for more seasoning.  

ROY, as we know, doesn’t play into anything relative to roster decisions.

Lee has been good not great, as you state. That’s pretty clear!

At least 2 infielders would need to be hurt for the organization to consider calling up Lee any time soon. You are absolutely right that the depth at 2B is 3 deep & all ahead of Lee. Martin actually has a better shot in the near-term. because of his ability to add depth in the grass as well.

[JD-TWINS]

On 3/11/2024 at 12:24 PM, C-Gangster said:

I guess cause when do we ever use Farmer.

Good point - out for a month after being hit in the face - still played in 120 games……..btw, Team was 70-50 in games Farmer played. Best on team……….probably a little skewed due to late inning defense, but still impressive.

[joefish]

On 3/8/2024 at 10:45 AM, Schmoeman5 said:

Lee=not yet. If you think he's ready. Where does he play. Explain. Does Julien DH or move to 1st? If you say he goes to 1st. Where do Santana and Kiriloff play. Explain where Stagger Lee plays right now. 3rd 2nd or AAA. My bet is 

I finger pick Stagger Lee. Good reference.

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

ROY, as we know, doesn’t play into anything relative to roster decisions.

Lee has been good not great, as you state. That’s pretty clear!

At least 2 infielders would need to be hurt for the organization to consider calling up Lee any time soon. You are absolutely right that the depth at 2B is 3 deep & all ahead of Lee. Martin actually has a better shot in the near-term. because of his ability to add depth in the grass as well.

ROY does play into roster decisions now, but not enough that a team trying to contend would call someone up on opening day and force them into an everyday role they haven't shown to be ready for. 

Don't agree 2 infielders would have to be hurt for him to get a shot. If he's showing he's ready early and Correa goes down the Twins are likely calling up Brooks Lee. If any of the starting IFers go down and they believe Lee is ready they'll call him up over Martin. Martin's added depth in the grass wouldn't be much of a factor when they're trying to replace a starter. If they think Lee is ready they'll leave Castro and Farmer in their respective utility roles and replace the starter with Lee on an everyday basis.

[JD-TWINS]

3 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

ROY does play into roster decisions now, but not enough that a team trying to contend would call someone up on opening day and force them into an everyday role they haven't shown to be ready for. 

Don't agree 2 infielders would have to be hurt for him to get a shot. If he's showing he's ready early and Correa goes down the Twins are likely calling up Brooks Lee. If any of the starting IFers go down and they believe Lee is ready they'll call him up over Martin. Martin's added depth in the grass wouldn't be much of a factor when they're trying to replace a starter. If they think Lee is ready they'll leave Castro and Farmer in their respective utility roles and replace the starter with Lee on an everyday basis.

Respectfully disagree.

Farmer was the starting SS just 13 months ago……he would step in for Correa, IMO. Castro would see more time in the infield as needed, along with OF duties. Martin would play infield and outfield as needed.

Lee has to HIT at AAA before he gets brought up. He needs the confidence and the Team needs confidence that he’s ready on offense before playing him regularly in the Show. I think you are overestimating his hitting to date in the minors.

[JD-TWINS]

13 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

ROY does play into roster decisions now, but not enough that a team trying to contend would call someone up on opening day and force them into an everyday role they haven't shown to be ready for. 

Don't agree 2 infielders would have to be hurt for him to get a shot. If he's showing he's ready early and Correa goes down the Twins are likely calling up Brooks Lee. If any of the starting IFers go down and they believe Lee is ready they'll call him up over Martin. Martin's added depth in the grass wouldn't be much of a factor when they're trying to replace a starter. If they think Lee is ready they'll leave Castro and Farmer in their respective utility roles and replace the starter with Lee on an everyday basis.

How/Why does ROY play into roster decisions? Teams aren’t trying to win guys a ROY award.

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

Respectfully disagree.

Farmer was the starting SS just 13 months ago……he would step in for Correa, IMO. Castro would see more time in the infield as needed, along with OF duties. Martin would play infield and outfield as needed.

Lee has to HIT at AAA before he gets brought up. He needs the confidence and the Team needs confidence that he’s ready on offense before playing him regularly in the Show. I think you are overestimating his hitting to date in the minors.

I agree Lee has to hit. That's why I said "if he's showing he's ready early." I'm not overestimating his hitting to date. I didn't say he's shown he's ready. I said "if he's showing he's ready" and if "they believe he's ready." If they think Lee is ready they're going to start him over Farmer. If they don't think Lee is ready Martin or Miranda is the more likely call. But once they think Lee is ready he immediately jumps everyone and he's the everyday replacement for any injured starting IFer.

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

How/Why does ROY play into roster decisions? Teams aren’t trying to win guys a ROY award.

They are. If the winner of the ROY award was on your team early enough to earn a full year of service (so in the first 2 weeks of the season basically) you get an extra comp pick in the next year's draft. Or if that player finishes top 3 (I think) in the MVP or Cy Young voting in their first 3 seasons they can get a comp pick if the player was up early enough. Teams with elite prospects care about that stuff now. To a degree, obviously, but Jackson Holliday's chances of making the opening day roster went up because the Orioles would love another comp pick after having already got one for Gunnar Henderson for this year. Teams absolutely take that into account now for top prospects.

[JD-TWINS]

18 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

They are. If the winner of the ROY award was on your team early enough to earn a full year of service (so in the first 2 weeks of the season basically) you get an extra comp pick in the next year's draft. Or if that player finishes top 3 (I think) in the MVP or Cy Young voting in their first 3 seasons they can get a comp pick if the player was up early enough. Teams with elite prospects care about that stuff now. To a degree, obviously, but Jackson Holliday's chances of making the opening day roster went up because the Orioles would love another comp pick after having already got one for Gunnar Henderson for this year. Teams absolutely take that into account now for top prospects.

Unaware - OK.

Honest question here, do they still lose a year of control if they bring Lee or anyone up too early in the season - seems this used to be an issue? Seems if they left a guy down for 2-3 weeks this/that year didn’t start the clock.

 

[chpettit19]

Just now, JD-TWINS said:

Unaware - OK.

Honest question here, do they still lose a year of control if they bring Lee or anyone up too early in the season - seems this used to be an issue? Seems if they left a guy down for 2-3 weeks this/that year didn’t start the clock.

 

Yep. Mostly. They added a few wrinkles in the new CBA.

League year is still 187 days. A full season of service time is 172 days. So teams still have that basically 2 week cushion to play with to "steal" an extra year of control. 

But they added the ROY/Cy Young/MVP voting comp pick incentive to get teams to stop keeping the elite guys on the farm to start the year. To be eligible for that extra comp pick the player has to be on 2 of 3 agreed upon top 100 prospect lists (MLB Pipeline, ESPN, Baseball America) and have been on the roster for enough days to earn a full season of service (so 172+ days). 

The other "incentive" for not keeping top prospects down is that if they qualify for the comp pick, but they don't earn 172+days of service time, and they still finish in the top 2 (if I'm remembering right, maybe they have to win it? I forget the exact details on this part) of ROY voting they get credit for a full year anyways. So if Lee is called up 20 days into the season he wouldn't be eligible for the comp pick, but if he won ROY he'd get credit for a full year of service. So it's a bit of a double whammy there as the Twins wouldn't get the pick, but also wouldn't get the extra year.

For most prospects this doesn't really matter since they aren't on 2 of the 3 lists. But for big name guys like Lee teams are now incentivized to take into account the ROY award (and MVP/Cy Young awards). I don't think Lee has shown enough based on the Twins roster to really take this into account, but I'm hoping it comes into play with Jenkins as early as next year! The thing I'd like to see it start changing with the way the Twins do things is that they start calling up top guys in September to get their feet wet. Gunnar Henderson and Corbin Carroll (last year's ROY winners) had both debuted the previous season while still maintaining rookie eligibility for 2023. Again, not really a factor with Lee (at least I hope he's ready way before September), but in general I'd like to see them start doing that to help those young guys hit the ground running the next season.

[Riverbrian]

48 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Unaware - OK.

Honest question here, do they still lose a year of control if they bring Lee or anyone up too early in the season - seems this used to be an issue? Seems if they left a guy down for 2-3 weeks this/that year didn’t start the clock.

 

Yes they do. The same service time rules are still in play. A season is typically 187 days... according to the CBA... Less than 172 days on the major league roster does not count as a year of service time. So a delay of 16 days off the roster will gain the club an extra year of service time. 

The latest CBA has the Prospect Promotion Incentive which states that the ROY will gain the team a draft pick after the 1st round. The prospect has to be considered one of the top 100 prospects on two of three designated top propsect lists.

The players union is hopeful that gaining the extra draft pick immediately will provide incentive for teams to let players break camp and not worry about that extra year of control 6 years down the road. 

I haven't charted it but... it does seem to be working a little because it seemed like a lot more rookies broke camp last year.

Is that the incentive or are the rookies just getting better and harder to ignore is the question. 

In the case of Brooks Lee... He would qualify on the two of the top 100 List but there are two qualification that could play a role in how the Twins utilize Brooks this year. 

1. If they go for it this year with Brooks... To be eligible... the player must gain a full year of service time. Meaning: If Brooks Lee is going to earn us a draft pick or an international selection next year by being 1, 2 or 3 in rookie of the year balloting. He must remain on the roster over 172 days. Basically... Brooks won't get us a draft pick this year unless he arrives before Mid-April. 

2. And this is perhaps more important. If the Twins would like to get an extra pick or international selection in 2025 with Brooks. He can't have more 60 days service time in 2024. If the Twins are considering this... and they should unless Brooks is displaying superstar abilities that he can't be replaced. The Twins will have to manage his major league time this year. He can't be up more than 60 days. Meaning: For those who are clamoring for his arrival in 2024. For those who are trading Polanco because Brooks Lee is coming. He can only play one-third of the season with the Twins to be eligible next year. 

 

 

[chpettit19]

8 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Yes they do. The same service time rules are still in play. A season is typically 187 days... according to the CBA... Less than 172 days on the major league roster does not count as a year of service time. So a delay of 16 days off the roster will gain the club an extra year of service time. 

The latest CBA has the Prospect Promotion Incentive which states that the ROY will gain the team a draft pick after the 1st round. The prospect has to be considered one of the top 100 prospects on two of three designated top propsect lists.

The players union is hopeful that gaining the extra draft pick immediately will provide incentive for teams to let players break camp and not worry about that extra year of control 6 years down the road. 

I haven't charted it but... it does seem to be working a little because it seemed like a lot more rookies broke camp last year.

Is that the incentive or are the rookies just getting better and harder to ignore is the question. 

In the case of Brooks Lee... He would qualify on the two of the top 100 List but there are two qualification that could play a role in how the Twins utilize Brooks this year. 

1. If they go for it this year with Brooks... To be eligible... the player must gain a full year of service time. Meaning: If Brooks Lee is going to earn us a draft pick or an international selection next year by being 1, 2 or 3 in rookie of the year balloting. He must remain on the roster over 172 days. Basically... Brooks won't get us a draft pick this year unless he arrives before Mid-April. 

2. And this is perhaps more important. If the Twins would like to get an extra pick or international selection in 2025 with Brooks. He can't have more 60 days service time in 2024. If the Twins are considering this... and they should unless Brooks is displaying superstar abilities that he can't be replaced. The Twins will have to manage his major league time this year. He can't be up more than 60 days. Meaning: For those who are clamoring for his arrival in 2024. For those who are trading Polanco because Brooks Lee is coming. He can only play one-third of the season with the Twins to be eligible next year. 

 

 

I will note that the international selection didn't end up being a final part of the CBA as they didn't come to an agreement on how the international draft would work so that part of the incentive is out. But the rest is spot on and point number 2 is a point that I think will get a number of people all riled up. But should be used as a tie-breaker of sorts when it comes to the Twins making some decisions. Along with the necessary 40-man move that'd have to be made, but there's almost always a relatively easy move there.

[TwinsDr2021]

5 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I will note that the international selection didn't end up being a final part of the CBA as they didn't come to an agreement on how the international draft would work so that part of the incentive is out. But the rest is spot on and point number 2 is a point that I think will get a number of people all riled up. But should be used as a tie-breaker of sorts when it comes to the Twins making some decisions. Along with the necessary 40-man move that'd have to be made, but there's almost always a relatively easy move there.

Based on this info (which I didn't know), there is no to reason Lee should be called up prior to the last 30/40 games this year (and the whole 40 man thing), but absolutely should be called up on the last 30/40 games to give the Twins of view if they think it is possible for him to win the ROY.

[chpettit19]

27 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Based on this info (which I didn't know), there is no to reason Lee should be called up prior to the last 30/40 games this year (and the whole 40 man thing), but absolutely should be called up on the last 30/40 games to give the Twins of view if they think it is possible for him to win the ROY.

Assuming health and performance amongst the major league infield I'd agree with that general idea. If they lose a starter and he's mashing in St Paul he should replace the starter (assuming the team is contending). But lots of variables that go into all this.

If Wyatt Langford doesn't find a spot open up for him in Texas this year (I find it highly unlikely, but it's possible) it's going to be really hard to beat him for ROY next year (if he's up early this year he'd be my ROY favorite over Holliday). That's just the first name that popped into my head, but there will be other guys who breakout this year and look like ROY possibilities in 2025 so you can't just sit on him banking on that pick. Too many variables. But it should be kept in the back of their minds when it comes to roster decisions and if things are close between him and someone else it could be the tie-breaker.

[Fezig]

On 3/8/2024 at 11:35 AM, Rod Carews Birthday said:

 

What I understand is that his age has nothing to do with it.  By that measure it’s already too late because Mike Trout and Bryce Harper debuted at 19.  Even Butch Wynegar was up by 20.   Davey Lopes debuted at 27 and was an all star.   He will be ready when he is ready.  There is no hurry here.  

It took Davey Lopes 27 years to form that wonderful, second-to-none moustache! That thing was literally a tenth fielder.

[Riverbrian]

51 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Assuming health and performance amongst the major league infield I'd agree with that general idea. If they lose a starter and he's mashing in St Paul he should replace the starter (assuming the team is contending). But lots of variables that go into all this.

If Wyatt Langford doesn't find a spot open up for him in Texas this year (I find it highly unlikely, but it's possible) it's going to be really hard to beat him for ROY next year (if he's up early this year he'd be my ROY favorite over Holliday). That's just the first name that popped into my head, but there will be other guys who breakout this year and look like ROY possibilities in 2025 so you can't just sit on him banking on that pick. Too many variables. But it should be kept in the back of their minds when it comes to roster decisions and if things are close between him and someone else it could be the tie-breaker.

IMO... Performance should be the main decider in 2024.

First off, I'd be slow to call him up. He has to be playing better than Martin or Severino or Helman or Prato at the AAA level to jump the line and get the call up.

If he gets the call up and If we are in contention and he is performing... helping us win. Keep him up! Do not send him down! 2025 be damned! Don't send him down for the possibility of draft pick compensation if he is helping us win right now. 

If we are not in contention and he is performing... Then I'd consider the 60 days. Consider it... And the reason I would consider it is because is we are out of contention... we can get looks at others... Martin, Severino, Helman, Prato, Chia Pet, Ashbury, Doc. Players like that. 

If he is not performing... send him down... pause that clock... everyone repeat after me... pause that clock... pause that clock... pause that clock. 

[chpettit19]

13 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

IMO... Performance should be the main decider in 2024.

First off, I'd be slow to call him up. He has to be playing better than Martin or Severino or Helman or Prato at the AAA level to jump the line and get the call up.

If he gets the call up and If we are in contention and he is performing... helping us win. Keep him up! Do not send him down! 2025 be damned! Don't send him down for the possibility of draft pick compensation if he is helping us win right now. 

If we are not in contention and he is performing... Then I'd consider the 60 days. Consider it... And the reason I would consider it is because is we are out of contention... we can get looks at others... Martin, Severino, Helman, Prato, Chia Pet, Ashbury, Doc. Players like that. Lee will be  

If he is not performing... send him down... pause that clock... everyone repeat after me... pause that clock... pause that clock... pause that clock. 

I'm still hoping I jump him in general and don't have to worry about the Twins being in contention or not to get my look. 

Also looking to jump Sam Darnold and take over for Kirko in purple this year. I'm going to have a busy year.

[Riverbrian]

7 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I'm still hoping I jump him in general and don't have to worry about the Twins being in contention or not to get my look. 

Providing he earns the jump otherwise I'm staying with the pecking order.  

I'm going to make up numbers to make my point so forgive me. I still take issue with the throwing away a 74 rated player (Martin) just to get an early look at 80 rated player (Lee). Yeah Lee should be better... but these are potential ratings that are wrong often... So Martin might be a damn good player also but we don't know that.   

[dxpavelka]

10 hours ago, Squirrel said:

He was drafted in 2022, not quite 2 yrs ango, and played in just 31 games that year. And in those 31 games was aggressively moved up finishing his very short season in Wichita. Last year was his first full season of professional ball, mostly in Wichita, but moving up to AAA toward the latter part of the season playing a total of 38 games in AAA. My guess is he may get some time in at the majors this year, but I’m not sure why or how you can proclaim him ready. He has been moved through the system aggressively, imo, but hasn’t shown the numbers in AAA that scream ‘Major Leagues NOW!’ I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes north with the team next year, but not this year. And next year that will also depend on how he does this year in AAA. I don’t think where he’s at currently, at age 23, and not quite being there yet, is even close to anyone needing to be fired.

He was also 21 when he was drafted and had 3 years of college ball under his belt.  And sure, nobody is close to needing to be fired.  UNLESS we're having this discussion 2 years from now and he's another Larnach.  Did I mention Sabato?  Should I even mention picking Covaco three picks before Corbin Carroll?  At the end of the day if he's not coming north with the team and he's better than guys who are, that might need to be re-evaluated.

[dxpavelka]

9 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

As @Squirrel said, Brooks Lee was just drafted 2 seasons ago. If not getting guys to be everyday players in the bigs within 2 calendar years of them being drafted means people need to get fired every team would be firing people every season. That's an unrealistic expectation.

Sure.  Drafting guys like Larnach, Covaco & Sabato and having them not pan out is a totally realistic expectation.  Just because it's realistic doesn't make it acceptable.  What I'm saying is that if Lee is better than guys like Castro & Farmer he should be on the roster.  I'm not even saying that he is.  I'm saying that IF he is one of the 26 best guys in camp he needs to come north.  Not unrealistic at all.  There is a reason why the Twins haven't had a guy finish higher than 6th in the Rookie of the Year voting since 2015.  And it's not because we've been too busy winning the World Series.  And just for fun, that guy who finished 3rd in 2015 has more home runs in the Cactus League than any Twin does in the Grapefruit League.

[Major League Ready]

3 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Assuming health and performance amongst the major league infield I'd agree with that general idea. If they lose a starter and he's mashing in St Paul he should replace the starter (assuming the team is contending). But lots of variables that go into all this.

If Wyatt Langford doesn't find a spot open up for him in Texas this year (I find it highly unlikely, but it's possible) it's going to be really hard to beat him for ROY next year (if he's up early this year he'd be my ROY favorite over Holliday). That's just the first name that popped into my head, but there will be other guys who breakout this year and look like ROY possibilities in 2025 so you can't just sit on him banking on that pick. Too many variables. But it should be kept in the back of their minds when it comes to roster decisions and if things are close between him and someone else it could be the tie-breaker.

Langford is an Absolute beast.  I was praying for him to drop one more spot.

[Major League Ready]

29 minutes ago, dxpavelka said:

He was also 21 when he was drafted and had 3 years of college ball under his belt.  And sure, nobody is close to needing to be fired.  UNLESS we're having this discussion 2 years from now and he's another Larnach.  Did I mention Sabato?  Should I even mention picking Covaco three picks before Corbin Carroll?  At the end of the day if he's not coming north with the team and he's better than guys who are, that might need to be re-evaluated.

Bryson Stott was also still available and those two were widely considered the best available at that point in the draft.  Cavaco was a horrible mistake.

[chpettit19]

16 minutes ago, dxpavelka said:

Sure.  Drafting guys like Larnach, Covaco & Sabato and having them not pan out is a totally realistic expectation.  Just because it's realistic doesn't make it acceptable.  What I'm saying is that if Lee is better than guys like Castro & Farmer he should be on the roster.  I'm not even saying that he is.  I'm saying that IF he is one of the 26 best guys in camp he needs to come north.  Not unrealistic at all.  There is a reason why the Twins haven't had a guy finish higher than 6th in the Rookie of the Year voting since 2015.  And it's not because we've been too busy winning the World Series.  And just for fun, that guy who finished 3rd in 2015 has more home runs in the Cactus League than any Twin does in the Grapefruit League.

Now you're bringing Miguel Sano into it? Is the argument that they should've held onto him last year or signed him this year based on his 33 Spring Training ABs with his incredible .182 BA and 3 HRs? Come on. Let's let him actually make another MLB roster at least before we start blasting the FO for letting him walk.

If Lee is ready and there's a starting spot for him in the majors he should be up. That's what most of us have been saying and you've been arguing with us about him being up by early April because he's better than Castro and Farmer and calling for people's heads. It's a bold take. You're welcome to it, but, as many of us have pointed out, there's nothing Brooks Lee has done on a professional baseball field to suggest he's ready to be called up. And adding him to the list of Larnach, Cavaco, and Sabato if he isn't up within 2 calendar years is an insanely aggressive take. To each their own, I guess.

[dxpavelka]

2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Now you're bringing Miguel Sano into it? Is the argument that they should've held onto him last year or signed him this year based on his 33 Spring Training ABs with his incredible .182 BA and 3 HRs? Come on. Let's let him actually make another MLB roster at least before we start blasting the FO for letting him walk.

If Lee is ready and there's a starting spot for him in the majors he should be up. That's what most of us have been saying and you've been arguing with us about him being up by early April because he's better than Castro and Farmer and calling for people's heads. It's a bold take. You're welcome to it, but, as many of us have pointed out, there's nothing Brooks Lee has done on a professional baseball field to suggest he's ready to be called up. And adding him to the list of Larnach, Cavaco, and Sabato if he isn't up within 2 calendar years is an insanely aggressive take. To each their own, I guess.

Not arguing anything about Sano.  Merely stating a fact.    As far as Lee being ready or not, none of us gets to make that decision.  As far as Farmer or Castro being on the roster because of their versatility, Lee can probably be considered able to play any position in the infield.  And for that matter, at the start of last season, Castro had only 90 more games in the outfield than Lee has.  If he's the best player, their versatility shouldn't work against him.  He'd probably be as good defensively at 2B right now as Julien who could slide to first.  Somebody's got to DH too. 

 

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, dxpavelka said:

Not arguing anything about Sano.  Merely stating a fact.    As far as Lee being ready or not, none of us gets to make that decision.  As far as Farmer or Castro being on the roster because of their versatility, Lee can probably be considered able to play any position in the infield.  And for that matter, at the start of last season, Castro had only 90 more games in the outfield than Lee has.  If he's the best player, their versatility shouldn't work against him.  He'd probably be as good defensively at 2B right now as Julien who could slide to first.  Somebody's got to DH too. 

 

Brooks Lee isn't going to the outfield. He's super slow. This is just getting off the rails now. When Brooks Lee is ready he'll get his chance. He's done nothing in professional baseball to show he's ready. When he actually hits league average in AAA we can have this discussion again. Until then he isn't replacing anyone on the 40-man let alone 26-man. And it's totally reasonable that that doesn't happen early in the 2024 season. 

[dxpavelka]

8 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Brooks Lee isn't going to the outfield. He's super slow. This is just getting off the rails now. When Brooks Lee is ready he'll get his chance. He's done nothing in professional baseball to show he's ready. When he actually hits league average in AAA we can have this discussion again. Until then he isn't replacing anyone on the 40-man let alone 26-man. And it's totally reasonable that that doesn't happen early in the 2024 season. 

And if he plays well and earns it it's totally reasonable that it does happen early in the 2024 season.

[stringer bell]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:38 PM, chpettit19 said:

Brooks Lee isn't going to the outfield. He's super slow. This is just getting off the rails now. When Brooks Lee is ready he'll get his chance. He's done nothing in professional baseball to show he's ready. When he actually hits league average in AAA we can have this discussion again. Until then he isn't replacing anyone on the 40-man let alone 26-man. And it's totally reasonable that that doesn't happen early in the 2024 season. 

 

On 3/15/2024 at 6:48 AM, dxpavelka said:

And if he plays well and earns it it's totally reasonable that it does happen early in the 2024 season.

I agree with both of these opposing views. My guess is that an injury gives Lee a chance this year. When and where is uncertain. 

[dxpavelka]

16 hours ago, stringer bell said:

 

I agree with both of these opposing views. My guess is that an injury gives Lee a chance this year. When and where is uncertain. 

We always all get hung up over what we think is going to happen and what the opening day roster is going to look like.  But your point is spot on.  Lots of things change because of injuries. 

[stringer bell]

Lee with a homer and a triple in his first two plate appearances today against the Blue Jays. 

[FlyingFinn]

On 3/14/2024 at 5:50 PM, dxpavelka said:

He was also 21 when he was drafted and had 3 years of college ball under his belt.  And sure, nobody is close to needing to be fired.  UNLESS we're having this discussion 2 years from now and he's another Larnach.  Did I mention Sabato?  Should I even mention picking Covaco three picks before Corbin Carroll?

Clearly, you are cherry picking as some bad 1st round picks are offset by great picks like Julien and Ober, etc. in late rounds. The Lewis pick was criticized by some but it turned out to be right. This discussion has been had numerous times over the past couple of years.