Rumor: A Potential Trade for Rafael Devers

[h2oface]

"They would benefit highly from a guy by the likes of Luis Arraez.  Heck, any team would. "

Like the Twins.

[bloggymcbloggerson]

zero chance. less than zero, maybe.

[MABB1959]

Numbers and what if’s are one thing.  Trading a popular player is another.  If they want to build a fan base they need to have a stable fan base as well.  I bet most fans don’t know but a few players right now and the American League Batting champion is needed.  

[Trov]

If the Sox did this, their fan base would riot. I would do it in a heartbeat if I was the Twins, depending on who the 3rd name is, but not too many are cut off on that, as long as Devers is signing a long term deal with us.  Not doing it for a season most likely.  

[jorgenswest]

13 hours ago, darin617 said:

Also, most starters are getting closer to 600 AB so that also takes the number down with more AB.

14 players had over 600 at bats. You did say closer though so make it 550 and you find 48 players. That is less than 2 players per team.

I do believe Kepler will benefit more than most but many hitters will get a few more hits. He really needs some power to return. Did he lose it trying to beat the shift? I wonder if his failed attempt to change as a hitter and beat the shift took away what his strength as a hitter. He needs to go back to hitting the ball hard to the pull side. Maybe he will do that when the second baseman isn’t standing in right field.

The reality is no one knows how batters will benefit and teams will adjust. Players like Kepler and Gallo seem like they would benefit the most. How much and who? Getting that right is a critical piece for every front office.

[Battle ur tail off]

On 12/26/2022 at 11:32 AM, Richard said:

Who do you think would bring him to Minnesota? A Kiriloff or Larnach? Polanco?

I don't see them trading a cornerstone player for players that play on the corners and haven't hit yet.

If you really wanted him, my guess is they would ask for Miranda plus our best pitching prospect...

That or possibly Polanco plus our best pitching prospect. 

IMO Larnach and Kiriloff are close to untradeable right now with their injury concerns and the fact that neither play good defense or did anything in their time up here last year. 

 

 

 

[cHawk]

According to the trade simulator, Devers has a value of 37, whereas Arraez and Kepler have a combined value of 34.2. Based on this, the third player should ideally have a value near 2.8. The Twins have several prospects within their system which match that.

[Battle ur tail off]

23 minutes ago, cHawk said:

According to the trade simulator, Devers has a value of 37, whereas Arraez and Kepler have a combined value of 34.2. Based on this, the third player should ideally have a value near 2.8. The Twins have several prospects within their system which match that.

Then it's worth it I suppose if they would bite. That said, I feel like Aareaz is one of our better trade chips, so would rather see us package him up for top pitching than go after a corner of the diamond player for one year or that we would have to pay a bunch to right away.

I know it's been said they aren't moving either of them, but I would be hard after Milwaukee's young starters. They would have more impact on this team long term than anyone else I can see out there right now(that is semi-available)

[Richard]

5 hours ago, cHawk said:

According to the trade simulator, Devers has a value of 37, whereas Arraez and Kepler have a combined value of 34.2. Based on this, the third player should ideally have a value near 2.8. The Twins have several prospects within their system which match that.

If you were to swap Arraez with Polanco, you'd be right there I believe.

[Richard]

5 hours ago, Battle ur tail off said:

Then it's worth it I suppose if they would bite. That said, I feel like Aareaz is one of our better trade chips, so would rather see us package him up for top pitching than go after a corner of the diamond player for one year or that we would have to pay a bunch to right away.

I know it's been said they aren't moving either of them, but I would be hard after Milwaukee's young starters. They would have more impact on this team long term than anyone else I can see out there right now(that is semi-available)

Would Adames interest you?

[TwinsDr2021]

On 12/26/2022 at 7:17 PM, Halsey Hall said:

A huge no from me.  That would be about the worst trade we could make.  Both Arraez and Kepler should hit over .300 next year with no shifts.  

You are talking about the Max Kepler with a lifetime .232 batting average and in 8 years once hit over .243 and that was .252 in 2019 (which of the 9 full time starters that year he was 8th)?

 

[TwinsDr2021]

20 hours ago, Battle ur tail off said:

I know it's been said they aren't moving either of them, but I would be hard after Milwaukee's young starters. They would have more impact on this team long term than anyone else I can see out there right now(that is semi-available)

Based on the trade simulator Burnes value is between 62.7 and 94, Woodruff between 40.4 and 60.6

The highest Twins are Lee between 31.1 and 46.7, Ryan 30.9 and 46.3, Duran 29.6 and 44.4.

So to get Burnes, Lee is absolutely going to be required and that gets you to about half way, so unless you are adding Ryan or Duran I don't see much of a chance.

Woodruff I don't believe is the workhorse people might thing he is, he completed 7 innings only 3 times last year in 27 starts, and 8 in 30 starts the year before (which isn't bad) He kind of fits the mold of Gray and Ryan. Regardless he is still not going to come cheap. I think it starts with Lee and would need probably SWR and 2 more real good prospects.

Maybe Arraez could be swapped in for Lee, but then the near tier of guys go up (Arraez, Lewis, SWR).

The real problem with the Twins is they don't really have much chips (Lee, Ryan, Duran, Lewis, Ober, Arreaz, Polanco)

[Halsey Hall]

Yes

[nicksaviking]

On 12/28/2022 at 1:18 PM, cHawk said:

According to the trade simulator, Devers has a value of 37, whereas Arraez and Kepler have a combined value of 34.2. Based on this, the third player should ideally have a value near 2.8. The Twins have several prospects within their system which match that.

Would a rebuilding team have any interest in Kepler?

I'm also fairly turned off by the trade calculator. After all, why trade Kepler when they could just trade Thielbar, who's got twice his value, instead?

[Battle ur tail off]

On 12/28/2022 at 7:06 PM, Richard said:

Would Adames interest you?

Maybe but I think the play IF you are going to move Aareaz is to make it for pitching and high end stuff at that. Otherwise, I would rather just keep him and wait for Lewis/Lee.

[Battle ur tail off]

On 12/29/2022 at 10:39 AM, TwinsDr2021 said:

Based on the trade simulator Burnes value is between 62.7 and 94, Woodruff between 40.4 and 60.6

The highest Twins are Lee between 31.1 and 46.7, Ryan 30.9 and 46.3, Duran 29.6 and 44.4.

So to get Burnes, Lee is absolutely going to be required and that gets you to about half way, so unless you are adding Ryan or Duran I don't see much of a chance.

Woodruff I don't believe is the workhorse people might thing he is, he completed 7 innings only 3 times last year in 27 starts, and 8 in 30 starts the year before (which isn't bad) He kind of fits the mold of Gray and Ryan. Regardless he is still not going to come cheap. I think it starts with Lee and would need probably SWR and 2 more real good prospects.

Maybe Arraez could be swapped in for Lee, but then the near tier of guys go up (Arraez, Lewis, SWR).

The real problem with the Twins is they don't really have much chips (Lee, Ryan, Duran, Lewis, Ober, Arreaz, Polanco)

If Lee + Aareaz for Burnes gets it done, count me in on lets go for it. Heck I would throw in SWR also(I don't think he is more than #4 starter, I could be wrong!) Duran, flat out is a non-starter for me in any talks. There is a chance this guy is a top 2-3 reliever/closer in baseball with an arm we have never seen in a Twins uniform. He is the only one I would have as off limits. 

And honestly, Joe Ryan and either Lee or Aareaz I'm all for that as well. 

Burnes is an ACE. A bonafide #1 starter. Lee is a MAYBE, Ryan is a #3-4 starter and Aareaz, although a great hitter is a terrible defender.

The way I would build a team if I had a chance would be to swing hard for young players that are real studs like this. Is it correct? I don't know, but what I do know if that filling holes with mid to bottom level players in FA and then trading for #3-4 starters and/or relievers that profile and mid-tier at best hasn't gotten it done over the years.

[SanoMustGo]

At his point I see no trades happening.  I don't think the Twins have any healthy pieces that will bring back much.

[tony&rodney]

Devers was the post and there isn't really any reason to trade for a poor defensive player with a huge bat approaching free agency when the team is not that one single piece away from Houston, much less New York or Cleveland.

The talk about Burnes is about 99.9% unlikely but the person who suggested Arraez and Ryan plus maybe a low A flyer is near correct. That is a deal worth something, but only if the Twins decide, against all prior practice, to extend Corbin with a contract of his size; Burnes is a big man. 

So it goes with trade talk. Maybe the Twins are in purgatory from the perspective of other teams because it is really impossible to tell what the Twins can acquire a player off of their 40 person roster.

[cmoss84]

Devers just resigned for 1 year I believe...

[Mike Sixel]

This topic looks even something now......

[Lasorda_This_Out]

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Off the table....

 

 

Another MoveOn

[Fire Dan Gladden]

Kepler and Arraez for Devers?  A salary dump and a a fragile hitter for a $331m player...

[h2oface]

Total dream.... and it is over.