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There is an article in today’s STRIB that is more of a eulogy for the ultimately disappointing Twins career of the former can’t miss prospect.  Once many of us worried Miguel would go elsewhere and become another David Ortiz.  Now it’s  Chirp Chirp.  

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I don't think his career has been a disappointment.

He's been an All-Star, has had seasons of 25, 28, 30 and 34 HRs, has played over 100 games for the Twins in four of his 8 big league seasons, and has been a part of division-winning teams. He's played two positions in the big leagues, made a few memorable defensive plays and has always been considered a good teammate. Never complained about playing time, never was a prima-donna in the club house.

When it's all said and done, Miguel Sano will be able to say he's had a good MLB career and I hope the day will come when Twins fans stop the unnecessarily inconsiderate behavior towards a guy who's always tried his best for their team.

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35 minutes ago, bighat said:

I don't think his career has been a disappointment.

He's been an All-Star, has had seasons of 25, 28, 30 and 34 HRs, has played over 100 games for the Twins in four of his 8 big league seasons, and has been a part of division-winning teams. He's played two positions in the big leagues, made a few memorable defensive plays and has always been considered a good teammate. Never complained about playing time, never was a prima-donna in the club house.

When it's all said and done, Miguel Sano will be able to say he's had a good MLB career and I hope the day will come when Twins fans stop the unnecessarily inconsiderate behavior towards a guy who's always tried his best for their team.

Three positions- 3rd, 1st, and outfield. Or should we say that the outfield played him? It was a bad experiment. 

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18 hours ago, FlyingFinn said:

I do think his career has been a disappointment BECAUSE, as someone said about Gordon, of the expectations we all had for him. If he was a 20th round draft pick, what would we be saying?

So Sano was signed in 2009 at the age of 16 out of the DR for 4.5 million dollars. He wasn't drafted, but let's look at some of the guys drafted in the 1st round in 2009 and compare their careers to Sano: 

Who's had a better career than Sano from the list below? Trout, Strasburg, Zack Wheeler, and (maybe) Gibson? The other 30 guys aren't even close to the output that Sano has given. Heck, some of them never even made the bigs. 

 

1 1 JR Stephen Strasburg Washington Nationals RHP San Diego State University
1 2 JR Dustin Ackley Seattle Mariners CF University of North Carolina
1 3 JR Donavan Tate San Diego Padres CF Cartersville High School (Cartersville, GA)
1 4 JR Tony Sanchez Pittsburgh Pirates C Boston College
1 5 JR Matthew Hobgood Baltimore Orioles RHP Norco High School (Norco, CA)
1 6 JR Zach Wheeler San Francisco Giants RHP East Paulding (Dallas,GA)
1 7 JR Michael Minor Atlanta Braves LHP Vanderbilt University
1 8 JR Michael Leake Cincinnati Reds RHP Arizona State University
1 9 JR Jacob Turner Detroit Tigers RHP Westminster Christian High School (St. Louis, MO)
1 10 JR Drew Storen Washington Nationals RHP Stanford University
1 11 JR Tyler Matzek Colorado Rockies LHP Capistrano Valley High School (Mission Viejo, CA)
1 12 JR Aaron Crow Kansas City Royals RHP University of Missouri
1 13 JR Grant Green Oakland Athletics SS University of Southern California
1 14 JR Matt Purke Texas Rangers LHP Klein Collins High School (Spring, TX)
1 15 JR Alex White Cleveland Indians RHP University of North Carolina
1 16 JR Robert Borchering Arizona Diamondbacks 3B Bishop Verot High School (Fort Myers, FL)
1 17 JR Allen Pollock Arizona Diamondbacks CF University of Notre Dame
1 18 JR Chad James Florida Marlins LHP Yukon (Yukon, OK)
1 19 JR Shelby Miller St. Louis Cardinals RHP Brownwood High School (Brownwood, TX)
1 20 JR Stephen Jenkins Toronto Blue Jays RHP Kennesaw State University
1 21 JR Jiovanni Mier Houston Astros SS Bonita High School (La Verne, CA)
1 22 JR Kyle Gibson Minnesota Twins RHP University of Missouri
1 23 JR Jared Mitchell Chicago White Sox CF Louisiana State University
1 24 JR Randal Grichuk Los Angeles Angels LF Lamar Consolidated (Rosenberg,TX)
1 25 JR Mike Trout Los Angeles Angels CF Millville High School (Millville, NJ)
1 26 JR Eric Arnett Milwaukee Brewers RHP Indiana University
1 27 JR Nicholas Franklin Seattle Mariners SS Lake Brantley (Altamonte Springs,FL)
1 28 JR Reymond Fuentes Boston Red Sox CF Fernando Callejo (Manati,PR)
1 29 JR Slade Heathcott New York Yankees CF Texas High School (Texarkana, TX)
1 30 JR LeVon Washington Tampa Bay Rays 2B Buchholz High School (Gainesville, FL)
1 31 JR Brett Jackson Chicago Cubs CF University of California
1 32 JR Timothy Wheeler Colorado Rockies CF Sacramento State
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Sano was/is a victim of hype and circumstance. He's had a nice career to this point, but he was hyped as the next Miguel Cabrera (awful comparison from the start) and co-franchise savior with Buxton during a really awful stretch of Twins teams. That leads to fans being disappointed that he didn't become a hall of famer and carry the squad to championships with Buck. His style of play leads to disappointment as he strikes out at record rates and it makes it really hard to watch. He is the epitome of a streaky hitter and goes from unplayable to best hitter in baseball at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately for him the hype combined with the style of hitter he is leads to a disappointing feeling even though he's actually been an overall above average hitter in the majors. Overall above average just wasn't enough, unfortunately. His time with the Twins is likely over, but I expect him to get a chance somewhere else and I hope he does become the next Big Papi. Silly to me that we'd wish anything but the best for any player who isn't just a bad human.

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I think the main disappointment was/is that if Sano made even decent contact with the baseball and got it air born it was probably going out of the park. The one he had against Cleveland in maybe 2019 that ended any hopes the then Indians had of catching the Twins was the one that sticks out. Unfortunately most of the " 4baggers" he had were ball hitting bat. If he got enough plate appearances no way was he not going to have around 30.

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I guess I'm just disappointed; obviously, there are no guarantees that the results wouldn't have been the same, but had Miguel shown up in Fort Myers in 'baseball' shape, eager to take instruction, and put in the work, and it just didn't work out after all this time, it would be easier to take. And he's gotten paid and will be OK; It's just all the "what ifs?" that sting.

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Sano has never advanced his bat-to-ball skills and that is probably what has limited his career along with injuries every year. It has never been that he doesn't work hard or doesn't care as long as he gets a paycheck. He misses too many pitches in the hitting zone. 

Despite a strong arm, he isn't a natural defender so he's needed to be well above average as a hitter and he's only been above average,

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50 minutes ago, ashbury said:

With the Twins?

With the Twins; his defense numbers at first bast are approx. equal with Kirilloff's so unless the Twins sell the farm for C.J. Cron, Twins need a First Baseman.

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I suppose it's possible for the Twins to decline his option and sign him to a MiLB contract with an invite to Spring Training... that's the only way Sano is at Twins Spring Training. Actually, Sano will not get an MLB contract with anybody, I don't expect.

In any case, yes, Sano's MLB career has been wildly successful from the viewpoint of 2009 international signing to where he got to today. Prospects don't pan out all that often.

 

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On 8/8/2022 at 1:38 PM, bean5302 said:

I suppose it's possible for the Twins to decline his option and sign him to a MiLB contract with an invite to Spring Training... that's the only way Sano is at Twins Spring Training. Actually, Sano will not get an MLB contract with anybody, I don't expect.

In any case, yes, Sano's MLB career has been wildly successful from the viewpoint of 2009 international signing to where he got to today. Prospects don't pan out all that often.

 

I bet he does get a contract. Prediction: Pittsburgh. They wanted to sign him way back in 2009 and the Twins beat them out. I think they would be happy to roll the dice on Sano in 2023. 

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1 hour ago, RpR said:

With the Twins; his defense numbers at first bast are approx. equal with Kirilloff's so unless the Twins sell the farm for C.J. Cron, Twins need a First Baseman.

I'd wager neither CJ Cron NOR Miguel Sano are in Twins camp next spring. 

6 pack?

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1 hour ago, RpR said:

With the Twins; his defense numbers at first bast are approx. equal with Kirilloff's so unless the Twins sell the farm for C.J. Cron, Twins need a First Baseman.

As mentioned above, I can think of 11,250,000* reasons they would look elsewhere for Kirilloff insurance than Sano  And Colorado has 7,250,000 reasons not to just cut Cron.  A trade?  Probably does neither team much good.

 

* Salary minus buyout I see at b-r.com

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Not sure how Sano is viewed as anything other than a disappointment. He was a top prospect in all of baseball and nearly won ROY playing only half a season in '15.

He became a defensive liability wherever the Twins put him, and he devolved into the worst kind of 3 true outcome hitter. It's a bummer, because he and the rest of that prospect group were one of the few things worth paying attention to during that awful mid 2010s run, but 6 years later if he can't even carve out a minor role in the lineup, eh, it's hard to see his Twins tenure any other way. 

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14 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Not sure how Sano is viewed as anything other than a disappointment. He was a top prospect in all of baseball and nearly won ROY playing only half a season in '15.

He became a defensive liability wherever the Twins put him, and he devolved into the worst kind of 3 true outcome hitter. It's a bummer, because he and the rest of that prospect group were one of the few things worth paying attention to during that awful mid 2010s run, but 6 years later if he can't even carve out a minor role in the lineup, eh, it's hard to see his Twins tenure any other way. 

Concur.

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15 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Not sure how Sano is viewed as anything other than a disappointment. He was a top prospect in all of baseball and nearly won ROY playing only half a season in '15.

He became a defensive liability wherever the Twins put him, and he devolved into the worst kind of 3 true outcome hitter. It's a bummer, because he and the rest of that prospect group were one of the few things worth paying attention to during that awful mid 2010s run, but 6 years later if he can't even carve out a minor role in the lineup, eh, it's hard to see his Twins tenure any other way. 

This. The lack of progress or any kind of learning or response to his failures was the most frustrating thing to me. It didn't seem to matter whether he was hot or cold, whether the club needed a single/walk or homerun, or who the opposing pitcher was, he just seemed to go up there and swing as hard as he could at every ball.

Rod Carew made a telling comment on a preseason broadcast about how Arraez took on everything Rod said and improved day to day as a result, but that Sano never seemed to listen to what anyone was telling him. That rings true to my observation of his results.

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1 hour ago, bighat said:

I bet he does get a contract. Prediction: Pittsburgh. They wanted to sign him way back in 2009 and the Twins beat them out. I think they would be happy to roll the dice on Sano in 2023. 

What are we betting? It's conceivable a team could sign Sano to an MLB minimum (or near minimum) contract in the hopes he produces and they're able to flip him for a mid level prospect at the deadline. Considering how short their leash was with Sano, and the roster crunch, it's unbelievable to me the Twins didn't shop him as hard as they could, even throwing in cash to for his salary and clearly nobody in baseball was biting.

All 30 teams in MLB wanted to sign him back in 2009. Not sure what that has to do with Miguel Sano 13 years later.

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