How do you address the Twins bullpen?

[wsnydes]

1 minute ago, LVTwinsfan said:

I know what you said, the comparison is off, that’s what I said…a player or a team can feel a sense of pride for being booed simply for being a Yankee, not true in Correa’s case… it’s negative, period, for Correa and for the team.

And I disagree. 

[Finlander]

Twins seem to have many corner pieces around. I'd much rather see a corner player dealt for pitching help than Correa. Why trade an all-world defender with an explosive bat who has post season experience and is by all accounts a positive in the clubhouse? 

I'm wondering if the Twins may have to abandon the idea of Larnach and Kirilloff becoming the next M&M boys and deal one of them.

[KBJ1]

Put Smeltzer & Archer in long relief.

Sign Trevor Rosenthal, trading Roger's was a disaster.

While I'd rather have spent 35M on bullpen arms than Correa, trading him now would be a mistake.

Trade whatever prospects it takes to get a solid closer AND a top lefty setup man.

The window to winning the WS is NOW, not forever 3 yrs down the road!

[KBJ1]

Seeing  as we just went 3-6 against  two of the worst teams, the time is now to trade for bullpen help. They needed to add to Roger's,  not subtract him.

It's absolutely no secret that  the teams that went deep into the playoffs ALL had a bevy of Flamethrowers in their pen.

Trading for an unproven, injured starter is insanity unless you have no plans to "win now".

Which seems to be the case every year with the Twins as they always ignore tbullpen. 

[nicksaviking]

4 hours ago, KBJ1 said:

Put Smeltzer & Archer in long relief.

Sign Trevor Rosenthal, trading Roger's was a disaster.

While I'd rather have spent 35M on bullpen arms than Correa, trading him now would be a mistake.

Trade whatever prospects it takes to get a solid closer AND a top lefty setup man.

The window to winning the WS is NOW, not forever 3 yrs down the road!

As happy as I have been watching the Twins play this year (minus the last week), I don't think I agree that the window to winning the WS is NOW. As sketchy as the bullpen has been, the offense has been worse. By a lot. A solid bullpen piece or two is not going to put this team over the top.  

[jorgenswest]

The Twins need a starter and a late game high leverage bullpen arm. There will be a significant prospect cost but they need to acquire both as well as at least another bullpen arm.

It would have been a lower prospect cost to acquire Bassett or Manaea had they tried to win those deals instead of trading for Paddack and creating a void in the pen. Now they will need to acquire both in a trade environment of greater demand.

Oh well. Time to pay up.

[Tim]

Twins need to be on the phone right now with the Cubs. 

David Robertson has been fantastic. Health is an issue but we arent really in a position to be picky here. The underlying numbers check out. Expiring deal so wont cost a ton.

Mychal Givens has also been great. He has a mutual option so price might be a little steeper. Savant page is meh but not the worst.

Hell, go get them both at this point. We gotta do something if we want to stay in this

[nicksaviking]

This won't be popular, but I stay the course at the moment. Dennis Eckersley, Mariano Rivera and Goose Gossage couldn't fix this team, and that's because despite the optics, the bullpen isn't what's losing games. The problem is that they can't stay healthy and they can't stay hitting. 

I think this team will be stronger and more cohesive once the roster gets healthy; I think if they come out of this health rut still in the hunt, the team will really gel and take off and still sneak out a playoff spot. But I don't see this team as actual WS contenders in any scenario. But once the team gets healthy, and once the minor league arms are ready, I think the bullpen will take care of itself. There will be quality starters-turned-relievers to pick from with Archer and Bundy as the vet options and Winder (I want him as a starter) Canterino, Woods-Richardson, Balazovic, Sands and Rodriguez as the young guys. I know most will want flashy league-known relievers, but we will need to get looks at the young guys this year anyway so the team knows what it's dealing with in 2023 when all of these guys will have a season's worth of experience under their belts and will be ready to take on the world. 

[Twodogs]

On 5/30/2022 at 9:08 AM, 4twinsJA said:

An effective Alcala would definitely help, but I don't think the answer is presently in Twins system. Twins will need to make a trade. 

Maybe the Twins could trade Paddock for Rogers.  Oh, wait a min.  ?

[rwilfong86]

2 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

This won't be popular, but I stay the course at the moment. Dennis Eckersley, Mariano Rivera and Goose Gossage couldn't fix this team, and that's because despite the optics, the bullpen isn't what's losing games. The problem is that they can't stay healthy and they can't stay hitting. 

I think this team will be stronger and more cohesive once the roster gets healthy; I think if they come out of this health rut still in the hunt, the team will really gel and take off and still sneak out a playoff spot. But I don't see this team as actual WS contenders in any scenario. But once the team gets healthy, and once the minor league arms are ready, I think the bullpen will take care of itself. There will be quality starters-turned-relievers to pick from with Archer and Bundy as the vet options and Winder (I want him as a starter) Canterino, Woods-Richardson, Balazovic, Sands and Rodriguez as the young guys. I know most will want flashy league-known relievers, but we will need to get looks at the young guys this year anyway so the team knows what it's dealing with in 2023 when all of these guys will have a season's worth of experience under their belts and will be ready to take on the world. 

Agree with you, it seems like the days when the pitching is locked in they can't get anything going offensively, allowing 3 runs today and getting a loss is disappointing. I really hope they can turn it around before the other teams in the central figure themselves out. I think a rotation of Gray, Ryan, Ober, Smeltzer, and Archer/Bundy/Sands when they're all healthy gives them a chance to compete, but they've gotta eat enough innings to keep the bullpen from getting overworked and they've gotta score more than 2 runs per night.

[Finlander]

Dobnak may still be an option for stretch run if he can do anything at all. He should be due to come off the 60 day unless there's been a setback. He won't save the season, but maybe he could help eat some innings.

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, Twodogs said:

Maybe the Twins could trade Paddock for Rogers.  Oh, wait a min.  ?

One for one?  Get real.  They'd have to throw in Pagan as a sweetener.

[cheeseheadgophfan]

 

Just sayin'

 

[CRF]

How about with a fire extinguisher?

[Riverbrian]

How would I address the bullpen? 

Probably with a handshake and a sincere "hello" and "nice to meet ya". 

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Jax has been very good and improving as the season progresses, seeing that xwOBA trend down over the last 100 PAs tells me Jax is embracing his role as a relief pitcher and should be used in some higher leverage spots.

 

having Jax added to Duran and Smith to the closer/setup man leverage mix helps quite a bit.

additionally, between now and the trade deadline, they need to churn the Megill, Cotton, Cano et al. group of pitchers to see what you have in higher upside arms on the farm. Maybe Canterino, or Jordy Blaze or someone else, not sure, but those three aren’t moving the needle much. One of them should get swapped out for a swing man, and one for another short appearance reliever at least.

Im starting to think Duffey needs to go. We’re past the blip of “it’s a bad stretch but he can recover” phase. Instead of swapping two of Cano, Megill, Cotton, maybe only one and Duffey 

[bunsen82]

At some point we should get Alcala back,  and in Maeda late July to August.  

We need 2 more arms to give us at least a shot.   

I don't think we have the starting pitching this year to get us through the playoffs.  Lack of experience ect.  The playoffs is a different ball game than the regular season.  I think Ryan needs another year of seasoning,  as well as Ober/Winder to see who really can be a solid #2 or #3 for the playoffs.  

The bats have shown they can hit the elite pitching,  but I still think they are a little bit too much swing and miss for my liking.  

Our true window is opening up next year and appears to be open for a while.  I don't see any reason to rush it at this current time.