Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 Jose Berrios12:02 Thanks for chatting. How good a SP am I next year and beyond? Eno Sarris12:02 I'm a fan!I'd call him a top 30/40 type http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/eno-sarris-baseball-chat-62917/
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Jose Berrios12:02 Thanks for chatting. How good a SP am I next year and beyond? Eno Sarris12:02 I'm a fan!I'd call him a top 30/40 type http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/eno-sarris-baseball-chat-62917/Whoa. That's bullish. I love Berrios and have since I started reading about his work ethic after the draft but I don't know if I could put him in top 30-40 status.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 Whoa. That's bullish. I love Berrios and have since I started reading about his work ethic after the draft but I don't know if I could put him in top 30-40 status. I didn't read that he thought he was that YET....but maybe we just read it differently.
bird Verified Member Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 I didn't read that he thought he was that YET....but maybe we just read it differently. Yeah, whether he thinks Berrios is a top 30+ guy now or later, that's pretty good, considering he was one of 27 pitchers selected in the first round/supplementals in 2012.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 I didn't read that he thought he was that YET....but maybe we just read it differently.No, I read it that way as well. I struggle to believe Berrios will be a top 30/40 guy at any point. Top 50-60? Yeah, maybe. Something in the mold of a Matt Garza, if not a little better and possibly without the injury difficulties at a relatively young age. Berrios has been a model of health since he was drafted.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 Agreed, that's a very bullish view. Very. For any pitcher.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 wut? Luzinski'sSweatyGooch12:31 With the Yankees baby bombers and Rays offensive resurgence, is there something going on with their hitting philosophies? From the naked eye it appears that their hitters are dropping hands early to get on plane with low pitches and launching them Eno Sarris12:31 It's the Twins that lead the league in launch angle, surprisingly. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/eno-sarris-baseball-chat-62917/
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 John3:11 So Buxton is getting rid of the leg kick again? Will they ever just stick to one swing plan? Dan Szymborski3:11 They've been tinkering with him a lot. Which I gues sisn't surprising considering how all over the map his offense has been. this was unsatisfying... mike sixel3:20 The Twins are, I believe, still projected to be the 2nd worst AL team RoS......what would make that change*, if anything? *realistically Dan Szymborski3:20 Not having a 34-42 pythag would help. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dan-szymborski-fangraphs-chat-62917/
70charger Verified Member Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 this was unsatisfying... mike sixel3:20 The Twins are, I believe, still projected to be the 2nd worst AL team RoS......what would make that change*, if anything? *realistically Dan Szymborski3:20 Not having a 34-42 pythag would help. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dan-szymborski-fangraphs-chat-62917/ That's entirely circular.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 John3:11 So Buxton is getting rid of the leg kick again? Will they ever just stick to one swing plan? Dan Szymborski3:11 They've been tinkering with him a lot. Which I gues sisn't surprising considering how all over the map his offense has been. this was unsatisfying... mike sixel3:20 The Twins are, I believe, still projected to be the 2nd worst AL team RoS......what would make that change*, if anything? *realistically Dan Szymborski3:20 Not having a 34-42 pythag would help. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dan-szymborski-fangraphs-chat-62917/And the Lazy Answer Champion Award goes to...
JustinCB Verified Member Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Agreed, that's a very bullish view. Very. For any pitcher.That curve ball defies physics and the four seamer is devastating when he controls it. He absolutely has top 30 potential and he's easily top 50 now. You've all gotten too used to sad twins pitching. This is the best looking thing since 2006 Liriano here. Far better stuff than Garza ever showed.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 That curve ball defies physics and the four seamer is devastating when he controls it. He absolutely has top 30 potential and he's easily top 50 now. You've all gotten too used to sad twins pitching. This is the best looking thing since 2006 Liriano here. Far better stuff than Garza ever showed. Arguing any pitcher that isn't already one of the 10 best, will now be one of the 20 best, is bullish kind of by definition.....in no way does that disparage Berrios, or mean that we all are not observant of his abilities.
jimmer Verified Member Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 And the Lazy Answer Champion Award goes to...yeah, during his hour long Q&A chat where he is trying answer a ton of questions quickly from fans of 30 teams,he should make sure to elaborate extensively any time he says something negative about the Twins lest his comment be discarded as lazy. What if he had said a team with the 2nd worst pitching staff in the AL is likely to have its luck run out over the course of a long season? He should have used Base Runs anyway, though in the Twins case, they are currently the same ;-)
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 yeah, during his hour long Q&A chat where he is trying answer a ton of questions quickly from fans of 30 teams,he should make sure to elaborate extensively any time he says something negative about the Twins lest his comment be discarded as lazy.What if he had said a team with the 2nd worst pitching staff in the AL is likely to have its luck run out over the course of a long season?He should have used Base Runs anyway, though in the Twins case, they are currently the same ;-)It's a circular statement, that's why it's lazy. Q: "The Twins are predicted to have a terrible RoS, which is based on runs scored/allowed and sequencing. What would make that change going forward?" A: "Their current runs scored/allowed and sequencing has been terrible." It's not even a ****ing answer.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 I thought it was lazy too, actually. And I usually defend these guys, because it is a chat.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 I thought it was lazy too, actually. And I usually defend these guys, because it is a chat.If he didn't want to answer the question, there's a really easy solution to that problem: Don't field the question.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 I really wanted to ask something like this: With the emergence of Berrios, year long success of ESan, the better defense out of Sano and Polanco than we thought before the year started, when/how will projection systems acknowledge the Twins probably aren't the 2nd worst team Ros? Or, do we really think they are the 2nd worst team the RoS in the AL? What would need to change in the underlying numbers to make the projections and belief they aren't the 2nd worst team match (if that is our belief)?
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 today's fringe five installment: Zack Granite, OF, Minnesota (Profile)This represents Granite’s third consecutive appearance among the Five, and his inclusion here is the source of some anxiety for the author. For one, Granite struck out in a quarter of his plate appearances since last Friday. For a player with his skill set, elite contact rates are almost a necessity. And for two, the possibility has recently occurred to me that Granite will follow, more or less, Billy Burns‘ career path. Which, Burns certainly has his virtues — and actually parlayed his talents into a slightly above-average 2015 campaign (555 PA, 2.4 WAR) with Oakland — but the lack of power has placed considerable pressure on his other skills. Granite will need to sustain an isolated-power figure north of .100 in order to remain relevant in the majors.Here he is, fortunately, recording a 3.000 ISO in a single plate appearance earlier this week: (video in story) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fringe-five-baseballs-most-compelling-fringe-prospects-94/
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 In answer to a similar question that I wanted to ask: ean10:59 Do you believe that the projections react too slowly to changes? E.g. the Dbacks are projected for .508 RoS but all of their win orders (1st/2nd/3rd) have them as a ~.600 team to date Jeff Sullivan10:59 I've written about this before. Even well into a regular season, the projections are still better at seeing the rest of the year than the standings are11:00 It's not that the actual performance is irrelevant, and of course there are times when the projections are too slow to react. Like, Archie Bradley is just a different player now. But mostly, the projections are better than one's intuitionI know that's not very fun. On the other hand, maybe it's incredibly fun!
70charger Verified Member Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 In answer to a similar question that I wanted to ask: ean10:59 Do you believe that the projections react too slowly to changes? E.g. the Dbacks are projected for .508 RoS but all of their win orders (1st/2nd/3rd) have them as a ~.600 team to date Jeff Sullivan10:59 I've written about this before. Even well into a regular season, the projections are still better at seeing the rest of the year than the standings are11:00 It's not that the actual performance is irrelevant, and of course there are times when the projections are too slow to react. Like, Archie Bradley is just a different player now. But mostly, the projections are better than one's intuitionI know that's not very fun. On the other hand, maybe it's incredibly fun! MUCH better answer.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 Steve5:27 Travis Blankenhorn a potential everyday guy? Keith Law5:27 Yes, although I'm not sure where.
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 I saw a blurb on Yahoo sports about Berrios. I think it was more fantasy value oriented. Anyway, the bit I saw mentioned a concern about an IP cap for Berrios as an impact of his value. Between AAA and MLB, Berrios threw 170 IP last year and close to that between AAA and AA the year before. Of course, because many of his MLB IP were long last year it probably worked out to 180 or more "normal" innings. Point being, maybe he has a cap, but I doubt it is lower than 190. He's right about at 100 now. Figure 18 remaining starts (give or take). That is only 5 per start. Problem if the Twins stay in contention all year?
Mr. Brooks Verified Member Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 I don't see why Berrios would have any innings limit this year.
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 I don't see why Berrios would have any innings limit this year.Because he's young, I suppose.
Mr. Brooks Verified Member Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 Because he's young, I suppose.Is that often- by itself ( not in combination with injury or previous season innings), a reason to limit a pitchers innings? I'm not sure I've seen it before.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Author Posted July 3, 2017 long section on Taylor Rogers http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/sunday-notes-blake-parker-is-an-angel-who-can-save/
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Author Posted July 3, 2017 Cory G1:00 So in the long term, who is the better overall player. Miguel Sano or Andrew Benentendi? Travis Sawchik1:00 I like both. But Sano's power is special ... I'll take the guy with a plus eye and 80-power http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/travis-sawchik-fangraphs-chat-23/
Han Joelo Verified Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 long section on Taylor Rogers http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/sunday-notes-blake-parker-is-an-angel-who-can-save/Great stuff. Thanks for sharing that. While I appreciate stats and whatnot, I think I can relate to Rogers' visualization technique a lot more than things like spin rate.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Agreed with Eric. The Granite hype train is unusually strong this season. 12:35Forrest: How long are the Twins going to ride the proven disaster that is Byron Buxton when Zack Granite has a .363/.415/.500 slash line (with 15 SBs in 20 ATT and only 25Ks in 244 PAs)? 12:37Eric A Longenhagen: I’m not sure how you just give up on a player with Buxton’s physical gifts so early.
Monkeypaws Verified Member Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 long section on Taylor Rogers http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/sunday-notes-blake-parker-is-an-angel-who-can-save/ Great stuff. Thanks for sharing that. While I appreciate stats and whatnot, I think I can relate to Rogers' visualization technique a lot more than things like spin rate. Interesting stuff. Makes me wonder what Belisle is thinking of when the phone rings. Post-game spread perhaps?
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