Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 fake newss9:10 Thoughts on Berrios after last night's game? More optimistic now? Jeff Sullivan9:11 I don't think I was ever particularly un-optimistic. I never saw a convincing explanation for why what happened in 2016 happened, and the high-minors numbers have always been so promisingBerrios last year went from 67% strikes in Triple-A to 58% strikes in the majors. That just wasn't going to hold up. In two starts in the majors this year, he's thrown plenty of strikes, and it turns out a strike-throwing Jose Berrios can be super good
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 It's a veritable treasure trove of Berrios questions today! bosoxforlife10:05 Please explain Jose Berrios's 2016 season. It looks like the most unfathomable thing ever. Jeff Sullivan10:05 It doesn't make very good sense. Obviously, something happened, but if I had to guess, he just wasn't mentally prepared for the major leagues, and he allowed things to snowball on him
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 DTH10:18 Berrios was looking pretty pretty prettaaaaaay good. what level is he going to settle into this year? and do the Twins sneaky good young core have a shot at the playoffs this year? Jeff Sullivan10:19 The pitching staff is just too bad, even with Berrios. But now we're seeing why the Twins could have a real direction. So much comes down to Buxton/Berrios/Sano because the upside is massive
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 Pete11:03 With the Twins playing so well, is Byungho Park doomed to spend the entire season in Rochester, NY? Or do the Twins take the first decent trade offer they get? Jeff Sullivan11:03 Park hasn't done anything yet in Triple-A. But, Kennys Vargas hasn't been good this year in the majors. If Park catches fire he'll earn a look
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 Nick Turley: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fringe-five-baseballs-most-compelling-fringe-prospects-88/
nicksaviking Community Moderator Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Pete11:03 With the Twins playing so well, is Byungho Park doomed to spend the entire season in Rochester, NY? Or do the Twins take the first decent trade offer they get? Jeff Sullivan11:03 Park hasn't done anything yet in Triple-A. But, Kennys Vargas hasn't been good this year in the majors. If Park catches fire he'll earn a look This is probably only Sullivan not realizing Vargas hasn't been up the entire year. He's only started 14 games; this is like the second week of April for him stats-wise. It's a SSS issue, he had on OPS of .925 just six games ago. Had that question been asked last week it would have gotten a different answer. Not that I'd expect Sullivan to have Twins stats memorized or anything. But I loved all the other Twins related chat questions today!
Hosken Bombo Disco Community Moderator Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 John: Too bad you can’t find time to stop by the Twins broadcast booth. They seem to spend half their time talking about errors, batting average, and the virtue of sacrificing runners over. Keith Law: In Smart Baseball I mention the irony of Bert Blyleven, who is only a Hall of Famer because of sabermetrics and the lobbying of people in the sabermetrics community, hating sabermetrics.In fairness, Provus is great and ventures into sabermetric territory when he can, but I absolutely love everything else about this question and answer.
Oldgoat_MN Verified Member Posted May 20, 2017 Posted May 20, 2017 Twins hitters & swing rate. Pretty encouraging.FanGraphs
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted May 20, 2017 Posted May 20, 2017 Nick Turley: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fringe-five-baseballs-most-compelling-fringe-prospects-88/ The words "Turley" and "prospect" do not belong in the same sentence. He will be 28 in 3 months or so...
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Andrew1:05 So did Sano also figure out how to play third base? I was shocked to see him 3rd on the leaderboard. Sample size or is he maybe serviceable there now? Travis Sawchik1:06 Dave Cameron wrote an interesting piece back in March off Statcast data that suggested his skill set (reaction time, arm strength, etc) actually fits pretty well at third. It's a position more about reaction than rangeLet me find the link ...http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miguel-sano-defensive-superstar/Dave knows ...
Mill1634 Verified Member Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Brandon Kintzler turned down a role in the movie Moneyball.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Erik12:04 The Twins' playoff odds have inched up to 15%, which is still quite low for a team playing so well that has some legitimate young talent. Would you take the over on that 15%, or does that number feel right to you? Dave Cameron12:04 If anything, I'd take the under.12:05 Sano is a really good hitter. Buxton can play center field really well. But this isn't a playoff team unless they get really, really lucky.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 If you haven't caught on, Dave Cameron is not a believer in the Twins yet. JD1512:11 What do you expect a team like the Twins to do at the deadline? Yesterday you mentioned the D-back possibly regretting not dealing Greinke while he is pitching like his contract suggests. Seems similar to Ervin Santana situation. Dave Cameron12:11 Well, Ervin's contract is significantly smaller, so there's less downside to keeping him. But yeah, I think the Twins will fade enough to move him this summer.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 This seems criminally low. The Future12:33 Miguel Sano has had quite an interesting season so far. How good do you think he can be long-term? Dave Cameron12:34 I think he's probably a +4 win player in his peak.Not a lot of defense or baserunning value, but the bat is legit.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 This seems criminally low. The Future12:33 Miguel Sano has had quite an interesting season so far. How good do you think he can be long-term? Dave Cameron12:34 I think he's probably a +4 win player in his peak.Not a lot of defense or baserunning value, but the bat is legit.So Cameron thinks a 2.7 win player over 41 games is worth 4 wins in a season. Got it.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Dave Cameron12:11 Well, Ervin's contract is significantly smaller, so there's less downside to keeping him. But yeah, I think the Twins will fade enough to move him this summer.I understand his thinking and don't disagree the Twins have a good chance of fading but it's getting harder to see this team being sellers with each additional day. We're almost into June. At some point, one has to admit this team is likely to be a fringe contender at the very least. Sure, maybe they enter the deadline 2-3 games under .500 but that's a fringe contender in today's game. And they'd have to be pretty bad to be three games under .500 at the deadline. They'd have to string together a couple of 10-15 months in June and July to get there. It's pretty hard to squint and see that happening when the Twins are currently looking to exit Baltimore with a sweep.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 So Cameron thinks a 2.7 win player over 41 games is worth 4 wins in a season. Got it. He got a little snarky.... Eric1:14 Re: Sano. A guy with 2.7 WAR in 41 games so far is worth 4 wins in a season. Got it. Dave Cameron1:14 Yes, because projections work by taking a player's line through the first 50 games and extrapolating.Did you know Alex Avila is the best hitting catcher ever?
drjim Provisional Member Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 He got a little snarky.... Eric1:14 Re: Sano. A guy with 2.7 WAR in 41 games so far is worth 4 wins in a season. Got it. Dave Cameron1:14 Yes, because projections work by taking a player's line through the first 50 games and extrapolating.Did you know Alex Avila is the best hitting catcher ever? There's snark, and then there's digging a bigger hole. Comparing a hot start by Avila to the emergence of a man child is how you end up looking silly. I don't necessarily think Sano is a 10 WAR player (yet), but he does seem a little bit better than 4.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Author Posted May 24, 2017 The Yankees were fringe contenders last year, and sold. Very well, I might add....and now are even more set up for the future and near present.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 He got a little snarky.... Eric1:14 Re: Sano. A guy with 2.7 WAR in 41 games so far is worth 4 wins in a season. Got it. Dave Cameron1:14 Yes, because projections work by taking a player's line through the first 50 games and extrapolating.Did you know Alex Avila is the best hitting catcher ever?Lazy answer. As we all know, Avila is not Sano. It's weird to see Cameron dismiss the guy who is making the rest of baseball look bad with his exit velocity as a four win player. Five wins? Maybe. Six wins? Sure. Sano's defense is going to limit his value somewhat but the guy has shown he can be elite with the bat. Cameron is basically saying that Sano's ceiling is Denard Span. Sure, okay.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 There's snark, and then there's digging a bigger hole. Comparing a hot start by Avila to the emergence of a man child is how you end up looking silly. I don't necessarily think Sano is a 10 WAR player (yet), but he does seem a little bit better than 4.Sano was a 2.0 fWAR guy in 330 PAs as a rookie and DH. He peaked too early.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Mr. T2:14 At one point can we determine that the Byron Buxton experiment at the major league level has failed and he needs to go back to the minors to work on plate discipline? All-Star Break? End of the season? Now? Dan Szymborski2:14 At some point, he's going to have to learn to work through offensive slumps in the majors
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Author Posted May 24, 2017 Mmm Bacon2:33 Berrios looking good so far today, is he a legit potential ace for the suprising 1st place Twins and how does he change the way they approach the trade market, if at all? Dan Szymborski2:34 I think he has a lot of upside. I told people not to panic about last year.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted May 24, 2017 Author Posted May 24, 2017 Eric2:45 The Twins came into the season "rebuilding" and are surprising most everyone. Are we getting to the point (June 1) where they're no longer considered rebuilding and should change their strategy to buyers? Dan Szymborski2:45 I don't think they ought to be there yet.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Gather 'Round and Enjoy the Beauty of the Jose Berrios' Curveball
ashbury Verified Member Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Gather 'Round and Enjoy the Beauty of the Jose Berrios' CurveballWell, sure, but what else can this one-trick pony do?
ShouldaCouldaWoulda Verified Member Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Gather 'Round and Enjoy the Beauty of the Jose Berrios' CurveballLooking at the 3 HR's he gave up yesterday, it appears that two of them were on his CB. Both of those were on CB's that were low and inside on RHB's. Since his CB looks pretty close to a slider, I think he'd be better off throwing down the center and letting them chase it off the plate, rather than staring off the plate and then ending up inside the plate. Just my thoughts.
Willihammer Provisional Member Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 More Berrios love at MLB.com http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2017/05/25/232331732/jose-berrios-throws-his-curveball-like-its-a-wiffleball http://m.twins.mlb.com/news/article/232203236/twins-jose-berrios-dominating-strike-zone/
ericchri Provisional Member Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Gather 'Round and Enjoy the Beauty of the Jose Berrios' Curveball One of my favorite things in baseball, when the batter starts jumping back cause he's afraid of getting hit, and the ball bends in for a strike instead.
Monkeypaws Verified Member Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Survey of the latest power rankings: ESPN: 15CBS: 8SI: 14MLB: 12Bleacher Report: 14Yahoo: 11 Trending upwards.
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