Make it Official! Twins 17, Rockies 9: Twins Punish Rockies

After 353 pitches and a rain delay, the Twins have a one-game winning streak. Eight Twins had at least three total bases.

Meanwhile, the June Absurdity intensified today…since June 1:

Margot, 1.268 OPS (22 PA)
Vázquez, 1.072 OPS (20 PA)
Jeffers, .258 OPS (28 PA)
 

So according to the probable win chart. The Twins went from nearly 100% down to around 65% after Thielbar pitched to 4 batters. He needs to get his confidence back. Twins need him out of the pen 1st in their next game. Absolutely 💯%

16 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

So according to the probable win chart. The Twins went from nearly 100% down to around 65% after Thielbar pitched to 4 batters. He needs to get his confidence back. Twins need him out of the pen 1st in their next game. Absolutely 💯%

There is no way he pitches 3 days in a row, especially after throwing 40 pitches between yesterday and today.

4 minutes ago, SotaSports in NM said:

Definitely looked like Jackson has his slider back.

If by "back," you mean the slider he hung middle/middle for a ground rule double then yeah, it's certainly back. 

24 minutes ago, SotaSports in NM said:

Did you see the movement on it? That pitch was a location issue. So I guess it'd be more accurate to say he has the slider movement back and it's not as one dimensional as it previously was.

Location is certainly part of the problem, but the movement on his slider this year is the worst it has been at any point in his career. Not counting the game today hitters have a .569 slugging % against that pitch. So yeah, it (the slider) is back, but Jackson looked like the same guy who was DFA'd a few weeks ago. 

Varland's start was overdue but happy it'll help the rotation. Thielbar should be DFAed, IMO he'd pass through. He might voluntarily go down. When was the last time Twins scored 17 runs?

50 minutes ago, h2oface said:

Took some liberties.. 😇 I totally agree, now.

Thank you. Much better. 

Thielbar will be fine. He just needs to relax, have a few Surly's, and get back on track.

Royce F-ing Lewis needs to be playing Every F-ing Day!!!!

Conversely, Thielbar needs to go to IL or AAA 

5 hours ago, Karbo said:

Thielbar should go on the IL. Something must be wrong or maybe father time is calling? Is getting old a reason to go on the IL?

It is for me.  Trouble is, at my job, there is no 10-day IL.  🫤

Thoughts:  While it's a kick to put up a Vikings/ Broncos score today, this series should have been a sweep, and that's totally on Rocco.  No way we should have given away that game yesterday.

I'm up for a Keirsey/ Kiriloff swap.  He can play OF a hell of a lot better than Alex, and Miranda can spell at 1B.  Wallner has shown signs of regaining consciousness, but he needs to keep producing for a spell before I'd throw him back to the MLB pitchers/wolves. 

"Recently promoted Jay Jackson..."  Why?

Thielbar-  needs an IL rest, or a rehab in AAA.  

Sidebar:  haven't been noticing- is that Gd sausage still around, and if so, it's way past its cutesy-thing date.  

4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Varland's start was overdue but happy it'll help the rotation. Thielbar should be DFAed, IMO he'd pass through. He might voluntarily go down. When was the last time Twins scored 17 runs?

Heck, when's the last time the VIKINGS scored 17?  🤔

1 hour ago, David HK said:

I'm up for a Keirsey/ Kiriloff swap.

Nope. Keirsey is still injured. Hasn't played a game all month and could down for weeks.

9 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Thielbar looks cooked to me. He just doesn't have it, and he hasn't had it for a while. Looking at reliever ERA isn't great because the inherited base runners allowed to score isn't part of their ERA. Thielbar's FIP looks real rough for over a month now, and it was only serviceable before that. His xFIP has been bad all year.

Rocking a 2.04 WHIP on the season after today due to hitters , that puts him as the 3rd worst in all MLB among relievers with 15+ innings. He's in the bottom 25-35% for a whole host of numbers on BaseballSavant as well so it's not like it's all luck, either.

He admitted that the rise on his fastball is gone. Without that movement it is very hittable. 

Caleb Thielbar struggles in loss to Rockies (mlb.com)

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“The velo is better, but the movement is terrible,” Thielbar said.

It's a very good article. The Twins and Thielbar know exactly what is wrong. He's very aware that he needs to fix the problem or his career may be over. The question I have is why the Twins keep running him out there when his stuff is broken. He is not a pitcher they should be using in a tie game.

I think the problem is fixable but it may not happen this month or even this season. He is healthy and lefthanded which means he will keep getting chances.

New Yorkers are still waiting for the Thielbar curve ball to Giancarlo Stanton to come down in that one winnable game in the Bronx.

It wasn't a hanger either.  It was his best pitch.