Rocco,s future ?

[mrtwinsfan]

I thought it was a done deal with his contract being extended ?  but i read this on the M.L.B. Main page today , we still might have some hope ?- per m.l.b.site     

Still, with a second straight idle October looming, questions naturally surface about a manager’s future. The Athletic reported in June that the club had picked up Baldelli’s contract option for 2026. However, neither the club nor Baldelli has confirmed or even commented on the report.

“I haven’t heard anything, and even if I did, I wouldn’t have much to say about it right now because I have a job to do right now,” Baldelli said. “And it has nothing to do with me talking about myself. Because me talking about that would be just a distraction and I don’t like distractions.”..    got me confused anyway !!!!!!!

[shortround81]

Twins fans hoping he doesn't pass the physical 

[Permanent Twins Fan]

27 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

Twins fans hoping he doesn't pass the physical 

Severe mouth injury that prevents gum chewing?

[Vanimal46]

What future? He needs to be fired along with Falvey next week. 

[Blyleven2011]

Twins are hitting and scoring  , Abel pitching good  , pitch count not bad but the bullpen is coming in ....

🫳

[jctwins]

They extend the contract for certainty for everyone, but it doesn't mean they can't fire him and pay him out for a year.

[ashbury]

26 minutes ago, jctwins said:

They extend the contract for certainty for everyone, but it doesn't mean they can't fire him and pay him out for a year.

So you have information that the Pohlads have found a buyer, after all?  😄

[The Great Hambino]

The Giants have given everyone a nice reminder that picking up a manager's option - even when done as late in the season as July - is not a guarantee that they'll be returning.  

[lecroy24fan]

Rocco's future is no longer being the Twins manager.

[jaimedude]

Why does Falvey get to keep his job when he constructed a major league roster full of slow, slump prone streaky hitters with no consistency in approach or talent levels? How can you blame it all on the manager when the guy constructing the roster has had poor drafts and recently overhauled the roster for a bunch of un-proven talent and minor league cast-offs?

[Recognize]

7 minutes ago, jaimedude said:

Why does Falvey get to keep his job when he constructed a major league roster full of slow, slump prone streaky hitters with no consistency in approach or talent levels? How can you blame it all on the manager when the guy constructing the roster has had poor drafts and recently overhauled the roster for a bunch of un-proven talent and minor league cast-offs?

Probably because he's great friends with the Pohlads now or some **** like that. Fire Falvey and Pohlads need to sell

[lecroy24fan]

16 minutes ago, Recognize said:

Probably because he's great friends with the Pohlads now or some **** like that. Fire Falvey and Pohlads need to sell

He's what Dave St. Peter used to be to the Pohlad's.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Rocco probably needed to go, but I can't work up any energy about this because the Pohlads are still here, and they're far and away the biggest problem right now.

[shortround81]

I honestly do wish Rocco well in his next opportunity. Him telling the review booth to eff off will go down as one of my favorite Twins memories 

[jaimedude]

11 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Rocco probably needed to go, but I can't work up any energy about this because the Pohlads are still here, and they're far and away the biggest problem right now.

I know but we seem stuck with Pohlads as owners. They live in the community, the puff pieces in Star Tribune I think were to put a face on ownership. I don't really care about the behind the scene stuff of ownership, just that the team starts drafting and developing better talent. I mean 9 of the last 15 years have been lost season's on players development and a draft perspective. A lot more misses than hit's. Falvey hasn't been a great stewardship in his role. Trades for pitching beyond Pablo Lopez have not really panned out. Falvey was supposed to be able to be good at identifying pitching. They traded off there 3 best bullpen assets in Duran, Jax, Varland. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

5 minutes ago, jaimedude said:

I know but we seem stuck with Pohlads as owners. They live in the community, the puff pieces in Star Tribune I think were to put a face on ownership. I don't really care about the behind the scene stuff of ownership, just that the team starts drafting and developing better talent. I mean 9 of the last 15 years have been lost season's on players development and a draft perspective. A lot more misses than it's. Falvey hasn't been a great stewardship in his role. 

Falvey hasn't been good, either. But he built a $160m payroll team that was slashed back to $130m the moment they had some success. It's hard to maintain a winner when you lose $30m in free agent money right in the middle of your big contention play.

Now, Falvey also pivoted *horribly* when this happened (he didn't really do anything, like at all), but the initial problem comes from the top.

I suspect the Twins, a very middle-of-the-road market, is going to have a much smaller payroll than Milwaukee next season, and that's embarrassing for the Twins. Fans shouldn't tolerate that kind of bottom-of-the-barrel ownership, they deserve better.

[LaBombo]

47 minutes ago, jaimedude said:

Why does Falvey get to keep his job when he constructed a major league roster full of slow, slump prone streaky hitters with no consistency in approach or talent levels? How can you blame it all on the manager when the guy constructing the roster has had poor drafts and recently overhauled the roster for a bunch of un-proven talent and minor league cast-offs?

Ok, sure, the roster kinda sucked even before we put 44% of the players out on the curb with a cardboard 'FREE!' sign on them like a broken NordicTrack.

But the important thing is that Falvey took the time last Friday on Inside Twins (two minutes according to the article!) to share his vision for a Twins team years from now that's... well...less soul-crushingly disappointing.

And if there's one thing Twins fans love, it's an idea man who can sell us on a future concept without getting bogged down in the details...

[nicksaviking]

42 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Falvey hasn't been good, either. But he built a $160m payroll team that was slashed back to $130m the moment they had some success. It's hard to maintain a winner when you lose $30m in free agent money right in the middle of your big contention play.

Now, Falvey also pivoted *horribly* when this happened (he didn't really do anything, like at all), but the initial problem comes from the top.

I suspect the Twins, a very middle-of-the-road market, is going to have a much smaller payroll than Milwaukee next season, and that's embarrassing for the Twins. Fans shouldn't tolerate that kind of bottom-of-the-barrel ownership, they deserve better.

Yeah, Falvey should be replaced too. 

But I know Joe Pohlad and Rocco Baldelli are terrible fits for this organization, I'm only pretty sure that Falvey is. He's done more for the organization than the other two from what I can see.

And Falvey does get credit in my book for modernizing this dinosaur of an organization after Terry Ryan anchored the team to the back of the pack in terms of any kind of innovation for three decades. He should go, but not because the old school anti-math crowd would rather watch the team lose playing 1980's style baseball instead.

[jaimedude]

The reality is ownership has been a disaster in public relations, communicating about the media rights deal and the team not hardly being available on television the last three seasons. They said they were gonna do something unique with streaming and television. Then they pull the rug and sign  a media rights deal with RSN Balley's, now fan duel TV two season's in a row where a bunch of people in the market didn't have access to watching  the games whether it was Comcast or other cable and streaming services. Then fan duel tv boots them, drops them reducing revenue.   Local TV rights and distribution have been a mess losing fans.  The managing partner Joe Pohlad makes the right size the payroll comments to the media in 2024 and they suddenly have to slash 39  million. Now they have slashed another 30 to 40 million payroll and lokk like they are gonna gitg more. Pohlad ownership has been there own worst enemy with the fans and potential ticket buyers. When your out of site and out of mind for half your potential viewership from television you kill your in stadium customer base. Unlike the old days television is the largest marketing asset you have in development of  customers. I mean honestly the ticket prices and in stadium, pricing for concessions is some of the best in the market, yet ownership has alienated a lot of their customer base with botched television rights deals, and now the Twins app, which has really reduced potential revenue. We thought we were gonna get something with Amazon. Now baseball has Apple TV, Roku game of the week, the whole MLB TV situation a mess for smaller and mid market teams. Brewers and Cleveland are a lot better run franchises right now. Ownership should look in the mirror they are the reason they are not making money on Twins product. Nobody has ever said you must be a 200 million dollar payroll team, nobody has those expectations. Just do a good job of putting a competitive entertaining team together. Twins have been dull, boring, and flat style of play two years in a row. They if there not gonna sell need to self assess who's running the team. I will give Joe credit on stadium operations and game day experience, it's good value and fair pricing. On the baseball product and TV it's been a total fail the last two seasons. MLB really needs to figure out a fair distribution of TV and radio rights and revenue between all their teams. 

[shortround81]

Well, that was quick

[tony&rodney]

3 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Rocco probably needed to go, but I can't work up any energy about this because the Pohlads are still here, and they're far and away the biggest problem right now.

The Pohlads own the team, for worse and worser. They cannot be fired, sadly.

Falvey? Why is he still employed?

[NotAboutWinning]

1 hour ago, shortround81 said:

Well, that was quick

Looks like the next generation of Pohlads is upon us 😂🤣😂

[tony&rodney]

2 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

And Falvey does get credit in my book for modernizing this dinosaur of an organization after Terry Ryan anchored the team to the back of the pack in terms of any kind of innovation for three decades. He should go, but not because the old school anti-math crowd would rather watch the team lose playing 1980's style baseball instead.

Apparently you are relatively recent fan of the Twins or simply forgot about a few teams in the past, say 21st century squads from 2001-2010. I think you forgot.

The Pohlads were more supportive of the current front office than they ever were in any year during the first decade of this century. 

I, for one, long for a decade of dinosaur teams that are winning near 90 games a year, just like the good old days.

BTW, it is generally acknowledged that dinosaurs were the apex  creatures of all time. A dinosaur is a superlative thing.

[lecroy24fan]

1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

The Pohlads own the team, for worse and worser. They cannot be fired, sadly.

Falvey? Why is he still employed?

Yes men get longer leashes.

[Brock Beauchamp]

12 hours ago, NotAboutWinning said:

Looks like the next generation of Pohlads is upon us 😂🤣😂

At least the good thing about billionaire families is that they age like wine, each generation is smarter and more capable than the one before it.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

11 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Apparently you are relatively recent fan of the Twins or simply forgot about a few teams in the past, say 21st century squads from 2001-2010. I think you forgot.

The Pohlads were more supportive of the current front office than they ever were in any year during the first decade of this century. 

I, for one, long for a decade of dinosaur teams that are winning near 90 games a year, just like the good old days.

BTW, it is generally acknowledged that dinosaurs were the apex  creatures of all time. A dinosaur is a superlative thing.

The Twins were an advanced team, scouting and documenting well ahead of their peers. Point in time, just like the dinosaurs, they found their competitive advantage, capitalized on it, then were their own demise by failing to adapt to a different climate.

the key is “were”. Historic. Dinosaurs were apex until they weren’t. The Twins were on the brink of extinction and modernized, but are again on the brink of extinction and need to adapt again.

thus, the Lean ideology vs Six Sigma. Continuous improvement, incremental gains over time to adapt seemly vs the kaizen event.