Roster Crunch? Who stays, who goes?

[FlyingFinn]

If Correa and Buxton would both end up on the IL, who is coming up? Miranda for Correa as Lewis can't play every day. Wallner or Julien for Buxton? Wallner is so hot, bring him up. DH would also be open for Miranda and Wallner now.

[wabene]

9 minutes ago, FlyingFinn said:

If Correa and Buxton would both end up on the IL, who is coming up? Miranda for Correa as Lewis can't play every day. Wallner or Julien for Buxton? Wallner is so hot, bring him up. DH would also be open for Miranda and Wallner now.

Wallner has to be the first choice, play the hot hand. 

[LA Vikes Fan]

Wallner first, regardless of who goes on IL. Don't forget that Castro can play 3B pretty well and is decent at 2B so we don't have to bring up an infielder if Correa goes out with Lewis and Farmer around to play short, and Castro and Solano to back up both 3B and 2B. If two guys go on the IL? Very tough because there isn't another healthy hot player in AAA outside of Wallner. I would guess Julien is next though, rather than Miranda unless Miranda has really started to come on.     

[Squirrel]

Well, it isn’t Wallner …

 

[stringer bell]

Kyle Garlick. Unconcur.

According to ESPN, the Twins face one lefty per series Allen of the Guardians, McClanahan on the Rays and Kikuchi of the Jays. This does even up the bench options a bit, but ..............

[Irishman]

41 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Well, it’s official, Gallo to the IL.

 

Wallner should be deserved to be recalled instead.   Sigh?  Duh?

[Possumlad]

19 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Wallner should be deserved to be recalled instead.   Sigh?  Duh?

The Twins are obsessed with the Kyle Garlick's of the world. It's amazing how many at-bats they give yearly to AAAA sorts at the expense of deserving young players. 

[Squirrel]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

Kyle Garlick. Unconcur.

According to ESPN, the Twins face one lefty per series Allen of the Guardians, McClanahan on the Rays and Kikuchi of the Jays. This does even up the bench options a bit, but ..............

I concur with your unconcurrence 

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

I concur with your unconcurrence 

I disconcur with my own unconcurrence of your concurrence in this important matter.

[Mike Sixel]

I do not like this decision at all. 

[stringer bell]

What promoting Garlick probably means is that Buxton is expected back sooner rather than later. That would be the logical place for Wallner to get at-bats. 

[Riverbrian]

16 hours ago, stringer bell said:

Kyle Garlick. Unconcur.

According to ESPN, the Twins face one lefty per series Allen of the Guardians, McClanahan on the Rays and Kikuchi of the Jays. This does even up the bench options a bit, but ..............

I dont believe we draw McClanahan. 

However... The Rays can throw 3 portsiders at you out of the bullpen.

However... with the addition of Garlick we are down to two pure left handed hitters period. 

With the addition of Garlick we were able to smother Logan Allen with nothing but righthanded hitters... we didn't win the game but we won that matchup thing and it is obvious.... the hand the pitcher throws with and what side of the plate the batter swings from continues to be the most impotamt thing on earth. 

Our lefty hitters facing left handed pitching appears to be the scariest thing of all scary things because Garlick was called up to give us 9 pure right hitters, two switch and 2 pure lefties. 9 Right handed hitters doesnt appear to exhibit fear of our right handed batters facing right handed pitching... other than KYLE GARLICK facing right handers of course.

To be clear... OUR lefty hitters not the other teams lefty hitters is the fear.

Because we cant deploy our best hitter because he is left handed.... YET... we only have ONE lefthander in the pen and no lefthanders in the rotation. So its our lefty hitters exclusively who cant matchup because if the data says lefties cant hit lefties... we would have more lefty arms. We dont... so its Kirilloff and Wallner who cant hit lefties. All the other lefty hitters in the league. We can get them out with right handef pitching. 

Right handers throw 70 to 75% of the time and we called up a guy who will only play 25% of the time. 

I continue to ask... WHAT ARE WE DOING!!!

 

 

[Craig Arko]

I’ve seen speculation Larnach may return as early as Tuesday. 

[Riverbrian]

10 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

I’ve seen speculation Larnach may return as early as Tuesday. 

If Garlick goes down... Who will pinch hit for Larnach? 

[Craig Arko]

1 hour ago, Riverbrian said:

If Garlick goes down... Who will pinch hit for Larnach? 

Larnach.

[Riverbrian]

30 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Larnach.

This is getting confusing. Ok. who starts for Larnach?

[Squirrel]

45 minutes ago, lecroy24fan said:

Sands to the IL with a shoulder issue, Thielbar activated.

Well, it was going to be Sands for Thielbar one way or another. Hope Sands’ shoulder isn’t serious.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Today would have been the day Carlos Correa was eligible to come off the IL, if he had gone on the IL right away. 

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, Riverbrian said:

This is getting confusing. Ok. who starts for Larnach?

Larnach.

It's Larnachs all the way down.

[Riverbrian]

Garlick starting today against a right hander. All that careful planning. 

 

[ashbury]

17 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Garlick starting today against a right hander. All that careful planning.

FO reads TD and has been listening to you, and is giving Kyle his chance!

[jorgenswest]

If this is a short term call up until Larnach is ready Tuesday it is for two games. The Twins are limited on how many times a player can be optioned in a season. The Twins may eventually risk losing Garlick if he is sent back too many times, Would you use a two game call up on Wallner? Before you respond “call him up for good”, let’s suppose the Twins were looking for a two game call up with one game against a left handed pitcher. Should it be Wallner or Garlick?

[Squirrel]

12 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

If this is a short term call up until Larnach is ready Tuesday it is for two games. The Twins are limited on how many times a player can be optioned in a season. The Twins may eventually risk losing Garlick if he is sent back too many times, Would you use a two game call up on Wallner? Before you respond “call him up for good”, let’s suppose the Twins were looking for a two game call up with one game against a left handed pitcher. Should it be Wallner or Garlick?

That’s a good point. I think the Twins are fine risking losing Garlick, and Larnach should be ready soon. I’m hoping that either Buck or Correa can at least come off the bench if needed. If not, the FO has left Rocco very short-handed. 

[Riverbrian]

1 hour ago, jorgenswest said:

If this is a short term call up until Larnach is ready Tuesday it is for two games. The Twins are limited on how many times a player can be optioned in a season. The Twins may eventually risk losing Garlick if he is sent back too many times, Would you use a two game call up on Wallner? Before you respond “call him up for good”, let’s suppose the Twins were looking for a two game call up with one game against a left handed pitcher. Should it be Wallner or Garlick?

You didnt list the number of times a player can be sent down. 

5 is the answer

My response:

Well if all you are looking for is a 2 day call up.

That is all you will get. We may need more than that. 

Personally I dont think this offense is strong enough to take that approach.

My follow up question: Is Wallner not allowed to be better than Larnach?

Are you 100% sure Larnach is better than Wallner?

Im only asking because you've called up a 2 day rental?

Larnach is apparently the remedy. 

 

 

 

[Riverbrian]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

FO reads TD and has been listening to you, and is giving Kyle his chance!

Rocco:

Riverbrian wants you to get a chance. Here ya go..  you get 1 game against a right hander. I'd like you to go 5 for 5 before we send you back down on Tuesday. 

Kyle: What if I go 5-5. Can I stay?

Rocco: Of course not.

[Mike Sixel]

Good thing garlick was up.....

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

Rocco:

Riverbrian wants you to get a chance. Here ya go..  you get 1 game against a right hander. I'd like you to go 5 for 5 before we send you back down on Tuesday. 

Kyle: What if I go 5-5. Can I stay?

Rocco: Of course not.

I'm not allergic to giving players one-game pressure.  The post-season, should the team get there, is all about that kind of pressure.

(For that reason, some of the logic* used to defend getting guys like Gary Sanchez, where getting him out of Yankee Stadium will turn his career around, has always seemed short--sighted. Great, we're in the post-season, now we head to... Yankee Stadium.)

A right handed hitter like Garlick, on the short side of the platoon, had better have a microwave mentality and be ready to heat up instantly.

 

*expressed by fans, not necessarily the FO

[Riverbrian]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

I'm not allergic to giving players one-game pressure.  The post-season, should the team get there, is all about that kind of pressure.

(For that reason, some of the logic* used to defend getting guys like Gary Sanchez, where getting him out of Yankee Stadium will turn his career around, has always seemed short--sighted. Great, we're in the post-season, now we head to... Yankee Stadium.)

A right handed hitter like Garlick, on the short side of the platoon, had better have a microwave mentality and be ready to heat up instantly.

 

*expressed by fans, not necessarily the FO

There is something that combines throw in the air during September harvest that I am allergic to.

I can definitely say that I'm not allergic to a platoon. However, there is a strong part of me that wishes that the first half of the year is used to establish who SHOULD be platooned. I'd rather remain vigilant to the possibility that players get better and get worse from time to time and I believe that front offices are capable of making sure a player doesn't get better by restricting access... I.E. Alex Kirilloff will not get better facing left handers because Kyle Garlick is going to play against them instead.

Come playoff time or even come September... Platoon away... you'll have the data... the players will have let you know.  

But... even more importantly... I really struggle with the platoon concept if the long side of a platoon is .213/.281/.398 against right handed pitchers and I struggle even harder if that same long side of a platoon was .221/.315/347 last year. 

And I'm going to struggle even harder if the team has scored less than 2 runs in 21 out of 60 games while striking out 613 times. 

When this is the context... A two day rental of a short side platoon who will never be allowed to be better than .213/.281/.398 is a waste.

Especially when you have 10 other players on the roster who hit right handed. 

And especially especially especially when the guy you passed over for the 2 day short side rental guy. 

Went 7 for 11 with the Twins with 2 walks and zero K's over 5 games... Was sent down for .213/.281/.398 guy and then went 11 for 26 with 3 home runs over 6 games.

18 for 37 combined. 4 home runs. 

I'll finish with one last point.

The most efficient way to kill a hot streak is to bench it or send it down.

How do you make the establishment of major league ability as hard as possible. The answer is -- Make him time his production to the exact time you have a spot for him. Instead of making a spot for him when he is producing.   

Also... The most efficient way to maybe a add a year or two but guarantee the career will be short lived. Just do what you have done to Garlick. 

This team needs to stop screwing around with this... I got a left hander on the mound today so let's call up a lesser hitter that swings from the opposite side of the plate crap. 

We need help. 

[stringer bell]

Since the Rays are now going with three right handers, will Garlick get swapped out with either Wallner (the people's choice?) or Larnach?

[Mike Sixel]

14 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

Since the Rays are now going with three right handers, will Garlick get swapped out with either Wallner (the people's choice?) or Larnach?

Good luck with that.