7/24/22 Twins @ Tigers 12:40 CDT (10:40PDT)

[rwilfong86]

Getting 3 more would make me feel more comfortable with this game

[h2oface]

2 minutes ago, BH67 said:

With a lead of at least four runs and nine outs to go, the likelihood is great.  Outstanding start for Sonny today.

The workhorse can't go 100 pitches. I don't buy that. Pitching long with a big lead is the best time. The quest is now to not work the pen if you don't have to, right? This is that time.

[Parfigliano]

36 minutes ago, RickOShea said:

The Indians are playing ' booger'  baseball.  We just can't seem to shake them off our finger.

ChiSox 6-0 on Cle

[BH67]

Time for Bullpen Bingo.  5-6-7 batters up for Detroit in the 7th...

[RickOShea]

To back track a bit.  Does Kepler's sore toe open the door for Sano?

[SwainZag]

6 minutes ago, h2oface said:

Watkins tried to stop Urshela. Good job again, Tommy. Good for Urshela to ignore him.

The radio guys gave Watkins props for reading the play and knowing Grossman had a weak arm and didn't hesitate sending him home.

[RickOShea]

1 minute ago, h2oface said:

The workhorse can't go 100 pitches. I don't buy that. Pitching long with a big lead is the best time. The quest is now to not work the pen if you don't have to, right? This is that time.

h2oface, what a true and simplistic statement.  Why is it so difficult for the Twins to implement this line of thinking?

[h2oface]

23 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

The radio guys gave Watkins props for reading the play and knowing Grossman had a weak arm and didn't hesitate sending him home.

Well, the tv guys, Perkins specifically, said Watkins was signaling to stop ("and Urshela blew right by Watkins), and the replay showed it. I'll go with what I saw.

[IndyTwinsFan]

1 minute ago, h2oface said:

The workhorse can't go 100 pitches. I don't buy that. Pitching long with a big lead is the best time. The quest is now to not work the pen if you don't have to, right? This is that time.

Problem is that Rocco probably doesn't buy into that logic.  Verified with Jax now in the game.

[SwainZag]

2 minutes ago, h2oface said:

The workhorse can't go 100 pitches. I don't buy that. Pitching long with a big lead is the best time. The quest is now to not work the pen if you don't have to, right? This is that time.

I see no reason to push him.  5 run lead, off day tomorrow.  Let the pen finish the job.

[Twins_Fan_For_Life]

Every pitcher gets the day off tomorrow

[h2oface]

3 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

I see no reason to push him.  5 run lead, off day tomorrow.  Let the pen finish the job.

Sure. Make Jax throw more low leverage pitches. That's a great strategy. Not starting well.....

[Mill1634]

One thing that went under the radar -- Sonny Gray has a fantastic outing with Gary Sanchez behind the dish. We know that Gray prefers to not work with Gary, but for the time being it looks likely that's going to be the more favorable option. Hopefully that battery can continue to gel.

[RickOShea]

If you don't push your starters every once in a while, they don't build their arms or build up their endurance.  On the other hand, if your relievers are up and down warming up and pitching often, they tend to wear down their arms.  Arm strength is unique for pitchers, and it usually dictates who make better starters than relievers.

[Nine of twelve]

The shift saved a run there.

[Parfigliano]

An almost drama free Jax 7th.  More of this please.

[Mill1634]

Zero issue with Gray being pulled. He's a really good pitcher, but he's far from a workhorse. He's already been on the IL twice this year, and only threw 135 innings last year after a short 2020 (obviously). It is much more important to save Sonny for future starts than to push him to get 3 extra outs, especially in a 5 run game against a bad lineup. 

[RickOShea]

Parfigliano

• The most polite poster on the site.

[mnfireman]

Miranda recovers to have a nice AB after looking terrible on that swing and miss...

[RickOShea]

7 minutes ago, Mill1634 said:

Zero issue with Gray being pulled. He's a really good pitcher, but he's far from a workhorse. He's already been on the IL twice this year, and only threw 135 innings last year after a short 2020 (obviously). It is much more important to save Sonny for future starts than to push him to get 3 extra outs, especially in a 5 run game against a bad lineup. 

If you (people in general) believe that today's athletes are superior in terms of conditioning, diet, exercise, training, supplemental medicine, then how does that logic compute with the fact that guys like blyleven, gibson, marichal,  ryan, etc. threw for more 300 innings during some seasons. 

My only thought it has to do with kids today suffering from burnout.  Yet, most kids still play ball today as much as kids did, when I was growing up.

[h2oface]

8 minutes ago, Mill1634 said:

Zero issue with Gray being pulled. He's a really good pitcher, but he's far from a workhorse. He's already been on the IL twice this year, and only threw 135 innings last year after a short 2020 (obviously). It is much more important to save Sonny for future starts than to push him to get 3 extra outs, especially in a 5 run game against a bad lineup. 

They have all been off for a week. Probably all have need for work. Gray was traded for to be the veteran workhorse (even though he hasn't been able to but for a couple seasons his whole career), but either way, it is working out today. You can't build up your arm if you don't pitch innings. For a starter that is good. Big leads, low risk to extend. For relievers, good to limit innings when you can. But a win is a win however it happens. We are in the pen now.

[Mortimerkenny21]

Finally Gary hits something!

[rwilfong86]

More insurance

[Mill1634]

The Sanchize!

[LVTwinsfan]

59 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

Trying to make the argument that K's are better.....

Be hard to imagine a hitter going up to the plate with that frame of mind.

[tony&rodney]

The offense has stepped forward again today. I'm hoping this is a trend.

[SwainZag]

3 minutes ago, RickOShea said:

If you (people in general) believe that today's athletes are superior in terms of conditioning, diet, exercise, training, supplemental medicine, then how does that logic compute with the fact that guys like blyleven, gibson, marichal,  ryan, etc. threw for more 300 innings during some seasons. 

My only thought it has to do with kids today suffering from burnout.  Yet, most kids still play ball today as much as kids did, when I was growing up.

This isn't the 60's-70's-80's anymore.  Starters most often go 90-100 pitches and 6 innings now.  You can scream at clouds all you want, but this is modern baseball.  Relievers are better pitchers than they were then.  I don't think it has anything to do with burnout, it's just a difference in strategy.  A fresh bullpen arm generally is more effective than a starter later in ballgames.

[RickOShea]

Rocco looks sharp today. He's doing a great job.  Reminds me of Buttermaker!

[lecroy24fan]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

Are the Blackhawks still bad?

Yes going into a massive rebuild. But he's taking over for as legend there. It's possible he could do both with an alternate for Twins games when he's with them. But they could stay in house and do that with Lapanta too. (Hopefully not)

[h2oface]

6 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

This isn't the 60's-70's-80's anymore.  Starters most often go 90-100 pitches and 6 innings now.  You can scream at clouds all you want, but this is modern baseball.  Relievers are better pitchers than they were then.  I don't think it has anything to do with burnout, it's just a difference in strategy.  A fresh bullpen arm generally is more effective than a starter later in ballgames.

Yup. Not the past. Got it. 

Most 'great' starters do go the 100, and sometimes more..... still. I wonder how they got so great?