Joe Maddon fired

[wsnydes]

The Angels have fired Joe Maddon, making him the second manager to get fired this season.

 

[Squirrel]

You just got this in before me ,,, this was the link I was going to provide …

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/angels-fire-joe-maddon-manager-out-with-team-in-midst-of-12-game-losing-streak/

 

[wsnydes]

1 minute ago, Squirrel said:

You just got this in before me ,,, this was the link I was going to provide …

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/angels-fire-joe-maddon-manager-out-with-team-in-midst-of-12-game-losing-streak/

 

I had an ESPN article that I was going to post too, but it didn't say anything more than the tweet did.  So, all you got was the tweet!

[Squirrel]

The Joes are having a bit of a bad run these days …

[Vanimal46]

That’ll happen when you lose 12 games in a row. Maddon’s reputation in the last 6-7 years has gone from genius to just a guy to detriment to his team. 

[wsnydes]

5 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

That’ll happen when you lose 12 games in a row. Maddon’s reputation in the last 6-7 years has gone from genius to just a guy to detriment to his team. 

Yup.  It's quite amazing how it seems like it's impossible to win there.

Good luck to Nevin!

[Danchat]

Are there any managers left who are a step above the rest? I had thought Girardi and Maddon were the cream of the crop (they certainly were a few years back). 

Can't tell if I'm just biased towards confirming my own theory that managers make a very little impact on the game, or if I'm unaware of other managers out there who are more valuable than others.

[Squirrel]

5 minutes ago, Danchat said:

Are there any managers left who are a step above the rest? I had thought Girardi and Maddon were the cream of the crop (they certainly were a few years back). 

Can't tell if I'm just biased towards confirming my own theory that managers make a very little impact on the game, or if I'm unaware of other managers out there who are more valuable than others.

Francona?

But … is there such a designation for managers … cream of the crop?

[CRF]

You gotta have the horses, and even if you DO have them, they better be delivering, otherwise it doesn't matter what your history is. The Halo's are going thru a particularly bad streak, but this is pretty surprising. I think Maddon is a much better manager than Girardi is.  

[jorgenswest]

Who is next?

[SwainZag]

31 minutes ago, CRF said:

You gotta have the horses, and even if you DO have them, they better be delivering, otherwise it doesn't matter what your history is. The Halo's are going thru a particularly bad streak, but this is pretty surprising. I think Maddon is a much better manager than Girardi is.  

I thought it was pretty surprising too, especially considering in 9 of their 12 losses they have scored 3 or less runs, and 6 of those games were 2 or less, despite having the middle of the order that they do.  

I'm guessing there had to be something internal that added into this?  A 12 game losing streak is tough, but it's only June and the Halos are only 2 games under .500.  Seems like pretty strange timing to me.

[Doctor Gast]

To win games you need pitching & defense, bats alone won't do it. When the pitching they had gave out so did the wins

[weitz41]

57 minutes ago, Danchat said:

Are there any managers left who are a step above the rest? I had thought Girardi and Maddon were the cream of the crop (they certainly were a few years back). 

Can't tell if I'm just biased towards confirming my own theory that managers make a very little impact on the game, or if I'm unaware of other managers out there who are more valuable than others.

I'd like to agree till I look at the Mets. I know they added talent, but the big ones are on the IL, I still believe the manager is the difference from a playoff team to a World Series team. talent being similar

 

[stringer bell]

Both New York teams are pretty talented, but they shouldn't be winning at the rate they are. Is it the respective managaers? I dunno, but things do tend to even out in baseball (BTW, at some time the Twins will dominate New York --I hope I'm alive to see it!). 

I guess I don't understand why the Angels of Anaheim aren't always good and sometimes a champion. A 12-game skid is amazing when your team has both Mike Trout and Ohtani on it. I wonder also whether Maddon will find another job. 

[USAFChief]

Another wow. 

 

Wow.

[Game7-91]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

Another wow. 

 

Wow.

Yep. Wow.

Who can win in Anaheim? It seems no one can. Amazing with their talent they struggle every year to even make 500.

Managers are more like doctors in my mind. First order of business is do no harm. 2nd thing is give players best chance possible to do their job. At the end of the day, its up to the players to execute pitches and plays. TK had that part figured out.

[Riverbrian]

I'm a big Joe Maddon fan. He's the original.  

I really didn't like the fit with the Angels when he took the job in 2019.

The Rays and Cubs had flexible rosters with younger players that could be molded into what the team needed and that is what Joe does best. 

The Angels were pretty locked into sink or swim with the vets and that doesn't leave a lot of room for the maneuvering that Joe is so good at. Joe's fate was in the hands of the players. Pujols, Lucroy, Simmons, Goodwin, Calhoun, La Stella, Upton, Bour, Cozart, Smith were all over 29. They had to get the job done and they didn't. The pitching was young and not very talented and the bullpen was anchored by Hansel Robles. 

I remember thinking that the Padres would have been a better fit for Joe.

 

 

 

 

[Trov]

16 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

That’ll happen when you lose 12 games in a row. Maddon’s reputation in the last 6-7 years has gone from genius to just a guy to detriment to his team. 

The Angles FO is mostly to blame for the failures over the years.  They have made terrible signings year in and year out for way overpaid over the hill bats.  Yes, they hit on Trout in the draft, and got Otani, but beyond that they continue to fail to build a real team around the top talent.  It is hard to win as a manager when your pitching is terrible, and the back of your lineup.  Until the Angels fix their FO it will not matter who runs the team on the field. 

Angels have no depth if any injuries happen to their few stars, and of their big FA signings, not counting Otani because he was young international signing, but the late 20's or past 30's FA in past decade plus, who worked out?  

[old nurse]

Madden had some incredible teams. From all that talent 1 WS,  It is still on the players. A bad manager, though makes it quite difficult to win. The Yankee players bought into the system. Girardi did fine in the system. It did not work in Philadelphia. 

[theBOMisthebomb]

On 6/6/2022 at 3:25 PM, Seansy said:

I think it probably should of happened a while ago and once other players come back from the IL Buck should be added on it too.

 

16 hours ago, SwainZag said:

I thought it was pretty surprising too, especially considering in 9 of their 12 losses they have scored 3 or less runs, and 6 of those games were 2 or less, despite having the middle of the order that they do.  

I'm guessing there had to be something internal that added into this?  A 12 game losing streak is tough, but it's only June and the Halos are only 2 games under .500.  Seems like pretty strange timing to me.

The MLB Network mentioned this morning that the GM who fired Maddon was not the GM who hired him. 

[Squirrel]

But wait, he wasn’t fired, he was ‘relieved of his duties’ 

[wsnydes]

21 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

But wait, he wasn’t fired, he was ‘relieved of his duties’ 

The plot thickens!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

If I were an Angles fan, I’d be upset about this recent stretch of baseball! This must be very Maddoning for them!  

[ashbury]

On 6/8/2022 at 7:46 AM, Squirrel said:

But wait, he wasn’t fired, he was ‘relieved of his duties’ 

Oh!  What a relief it is!