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Doctor Wu

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Danny Santana is having a surprisingly good year for the Rangers thus far, starting a few games and pinch hitting (got a hit!) last night. He's now batting .308 with a .344 OBP. Also 6 HR and 20 RBI. No, not all-star numbers, but a good bounce back for him.

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Dozier/Schoop comparison is getting interesting.

 

Season

Dozier .235/.318/.442 (.760 OPS) 97 wRC+

Schoop .258/.308/.475 (.783OPS) 105 wRC+

 

Last 14 days

Dozier .286/.318/.690 (1.009 OPS) 152 wRC+

Schoop .244/.262/.341 (.603 OPS) 56 wRC+

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Dozier/Schoop comparison is getting interesting.

 

Season

Dozier .235/.318/.442 (.760 OPS) 97 wRC+

Schoop .258/.308/.475 (.783OPS) 105 wRC+

 

Last 14 days

Dozier .286/.318/.690 (1.009 OPS) 152 wRC+

Schoop .244/.262/.341 (.603 OPS) 56 wRC+

*Looks at calendar*

 

Yep, it's June. Just in time for a vintage Dozier hot streak. Makes me wonder if he'll be on the trade block yet again if the Nationals don't get back in the race.

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*Looks at calendar*

Yep, it's June. Just in time for a vintage Dozier hot streak. Makes me wonder if he'll be on the trade block yet again if the Nationals don't get back in the race.

I can see him being traded again if they do sell.  I don't think they are selling anyone on board for next season though regardless of where they are at the deadline.

 

They are kind of back in the race after taking 2 from Philly yesterday.  Now only 4 back from Wild Card.

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I can see him being traded again if they do sell.  I don't think they are selling anyone on board for next season though regardless of where they are at the deadline.

 

They are kind of back in the race after taking 2 from Philly yesterday.  Now only 4 back from Wild Card.

I can't picture the Nationals going into full sale mode, but on a one-year deal, he's a perfect candidate if they go half-sale mode.

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Watching the Indians game over lunch. Saw a guy steal 3rd. Looked like Danny Santana. It was. He doubled, stole, and scored. Looked up his line.

 

BA .308 OB.344 SLG.509 OPS.853

 

He wants in on the Dozier/Schoop race.

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Dozier/Schoop comparison is getting interesting.

 

Season

Dozier .235/.318/.442 (.760 OPS) 97 wRC+

Schoop .258/.308/.475 (.783OPS) 105 wRC+

 

Last 14 days

Dozier .286/.318/.690 (1.009 OPS) 152 wRC+

Schoop .244/.262/.341 (.603 OPS) 56 wRC+

Schoop is not much better than Dozier. 

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I was curious, so during last night's game I counted this up:

 

23 of the 29 other teams have one or more former Twins on their current 40-man roster, 38 former Twins in all.

 

That piqued my curiosity about the nature and patterns of the returns we got, if any. And if we didn't get a return, why not. And whether we can see differences between the past and the present. Here's what I vaguely concluded:

 

1. Tons of fringe players come and go with justifiably little or no return even though they have marginally enough value to occupy a spot on a 40-man roster. In almost all of these cases, we didn't give up anything when we acquired them in the first place. 

 

2. There are lots of guys still out there who the Twins DFA'd way back when and got nothing for them. Examples: Neshek, Swarzak, Hendriks.

 

3. There is some anecdotal evidence to support the idea that the new FO is doing a better job of getting returns for marginal or redundant players. For example, they got a little something back when they jettisoned Tyler Austin, Zach Duke, Brandon Kintzler, Nick Anderson.

 

The exception to this pattern is that first disturbing set of moves involving Burdi, Chargois, and Bard.

 

4. There probably aren't more than a half dozen guys on the list that you'd want back as a replacement for players on our current 40-man. Sure, if Aaron Hicks would be content as a 4th OF, Pressly obviously. Hendriks probably. Escobar probably, if he'd want to be here. But those are the only 4 out of the 38 that you would unarguably want back at the cost of ditching a current guy. 

 

5. A quick list of assets we've gotten in the way of returns: Mejia, Moya, Alcala, Celestino, Rijo, Ziegler, Littell, Schales, Raley, Smeltzer, Tyler Watson, Costello, de Jong, Duran, Maciel, De La Trinidad.

 

6. The jury's still out on their record with trades. The Dozier move looks very solid, as Smeltzer and Dozier have pretty much the same WAR in 2019, and Dozier's trade value may not be a whole lot higher than that of either Raley or Smeltzer at this point. But the Pressly and Escobar trades? Too early to predict who wins the long game, but those two players are taking prisoners for their new teams. Any future value has to be deeply discounted to the present value of those two because it's not present and it's not certain.

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I was curious, so during last night's game I counted this up:

 

23 of the 29 other teams have one or more former Twins on their current 40-man roster, 38 former Twins in all.

 

That piqued my curiosity about the nature and patterns of the returns we got, if any. And if we didn't get a return, why not. And whether we can see differences between the past and the present. Here's what I vaguely concluded:

 

1. Tons of fringe players come and go with justifiably little or no return even though they have marginally enough value to occupy a spot on a 40-man roster. In almost all of these cases, we didn't give up anything when we acquired them in the first place. 

 

2. There are lots of guys still out there who the Twins DFA'd way back when and got nothing for them. Examples: Neshek, Swarzak, Hendriks.

 

3. There is some anecdotal evidence to support the idea that the new FO is doing a better job of getting returns for marginal or redundant players. For example, they got a little something back when they jettisoned Tyler Austin, Zach Duke, Brandon Kintzler, Nick Anderson.

 

The exception to this pattern is that first disturbing set of moves involving Burdi, Chargois, and Bard.

 

4. There probably aren't more than a half dozen guys on the list that you'd want back as a replacement for players on our current 40-man. Sure, if Aaron Hicks would be content as a 4th OF, Pressly obviously. Hendriks probably. Escobar probably, if he'd want to be here. But those are the only 4 out of the 38 that you would unarguably want back at the cost of ditching a current guy. 

 

5. A quick list of assets we've gotten in the way of returns: Mejia, Moya, Alcala, Celestino, Rijo, Ziegler, Littell, Schales, Raley, Smeltzer, Tyler Watson, Costello, de Jong, Duran, Maciel, De La Trinidad.

 

6. The jury's still out on their record with trades. The Dozier move looks very solid, as Smeltzer and Dozier have pretty much the same WAR in 2019, and Dozier's trade value may not be a whole lot higher than that of either Raley or Smeltzer at this point. But the Pressly and Escobar trades? Too early to predict who wins the long game, but those two players are taking prisoners for their new teams. Any future value has to be deeply discounted to the present value of those two because it's not present and it's not certain.

 

Regarding #6... Can really only use Dozier's 2018 numbers after the trade because he was a free agent at the end of the year and he wasn't coming back to the Twins most likely. Same with Escobar, though there may have been a possibility of him re-signing, especially at the low price he signed at. Duran and Maciel for 2 months of Escobar? Raley and Smeltzer for 2 months of Dozier? Both of those trades were success!

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The former Twin list: (Note: tons of others have been knocked of 40-man rosters recently, guys like Curtiss and the other Austin Adams)

 

Gilmartin

Nunez

Pearce

A. Hicks

Morales

Palka

Hu

J. Hicks

Goodrum

B. Wilson

Pressly

Bard

Hendriks

Herrmann

Grossman

Milone

Lynn

Forsythe

D. Santana

Swarzak

Ynoa

N. Anderson

Kinley

O'Rourke

Ramos

C. Gomez

Neshek

Suzuki

Dozier

Kintzler

R. Rosario

Duke

Burdi

Liriano

Escobar

Chargois

D. Rodriguez

T. Austin

 

I'm sure I missed a couple.

 

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Regarding #6... Can really only use Dozier's 2018 numbers after the trade because he was a free agent at the end of the year and he wasn't coming back to the Twins most likely. Same with Escobar, though there may have been a possibility of him re-signing, especially at the low price he signed at. Duran and Maciel for 2 months of Escobar? Raley and Smeltzer for 2 months of Dozier? Both of those trades were success!

 

 

Good points. However, until Duran or Maciel make a MLB appearance, I wouldn't declare a winner. We don't know the details, but given Escobar's 2.2 WAR so far in 2019, I'd venture to say his contract demands may have been quite reasonable.

 

As I've said before, the Dozier trade was won by virtue of the decision to not pay the man something like the $9M he's making today to give you his YTD 0.1 WAR, and intead pay Schoop $7.5M to produce his YTD 1.2 WAR. Raley and Smeltzer are frosting on the cake.

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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

 

Appropo to the last few comments in this thread, maybe this will take that taste out of your mouth.

 

And to further clear the palate, there's this.

Han Joelo FCL Twins

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On the other hand, speaking of Luis-es, this might put some barf back in your mouth:

 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/yankees-luis-gil-dominates-again-in-low-a/

 

Now granted, in the spirit of Ted's recent article about Mike Trout, based on last night, it would seem that to recreate or  best Jake Cave's repertoire of skills, it takes the hitting of Mitch Garver and the unparalleled base running and fielding of Willian's Astudillo.  Still, this is another example of why the Twins should not make trades with Cashman.  There is a lot riding on Luis Gil to even things out in the long run. 

 

Whoops, I meant to say the other Luis.  Rijo.

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As I've said before, the Dozier trade was won by virtue of the decision to not pay the man something like the $9M he's making today to give you his YTD 0.1 WAR, and intead pay Schoop $7.5M to produce his YTD 1.2 WAR.

That's the bWAR difference, but the majority of that difference seems to be defense (6 run gap in Rfield, vs a 4 run gap in Rbat). So it would depend on how much you trust partial season fielding numbers.

 

By fWAR, they are actually much closer, 1.0 to 0.7.

 

Not that I wanted Dozier back instead of Schoop, of course.

Twodogs FCL Twins

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Fangraphs: "Lance Lynn, AL Pitcher WAR Leader"

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lance-lynn-al-pitcher-war-leader/

I believe that over his career that he has shown some ability to pitch a little? Maybe it was the late start last year, maybe he just didn't jell with last year's twins, a la Dozier, Mauer, etc.... Who knows. I also remember people saying that he could only pitch in the national league and all that; regardless, I know that I would probably have more faith with Lynn on the mound right now rather than Perez???

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Meyer & Trevor may came to the Twins in separate deals after the 2012 season.  They have done essentially nothing for the Twins. Meanwhile Denard Span & Ben Revere had a number of successful seasons in the majors.  The moral = never trade regulars for pitching. You will almost always get the worse end of the trade.  :)

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