Buxton to 10-Game DL for Migraines

[ewen21]

Is there STILL no reason to be concerned about Buxton?  He was hyped quite a bit and many thought he and Sano would be bigtime stars.  I never believed it.  I needed to see it first.

 

Looks to me like Max Kepler might turn out to have a better career.

[Respy]

It should hopefully just be 10 days, and the Twins have been relatively healthy in the early-going, compared to what I'm observing for many other teams.  I'm not concerned here.

[DrNeau]

 

People are talking about this around MLB. Let's not jump to conclusions and start attacking people. 

[strumdatjaguar]

Remember Percy Harvin?????   He had 3 seasons with with the Vikings at 14, 15 and 16 games played and then struggled to stay more and more to stay on the field for half a season, and then couldn't   Migraines can be a serious problem.

[ewen21]

I have had concerns about Buxton since forever. For starters, he has a big hole in his offensive game. He is a very streaky hitter. He has had a few short periods of success with plenty of deep valleys of failure. He cannot seem to get comfortable and settle on an approach to hitting that works. He is very jumpy and nervous when he steps into the box. Lots has been made about him being a humble, simple country boy. It's almost as if Major League Baseball is too overwhelming for him. It's like he loved being a blue chip prospect, but hasn't yet settled in on the reality that he is a major leaguer with high expectations attached to him. He needs to come to terms with it. Somehow, some way, he needs to get the mental part of things down. When he started off horribly last season he attributed some of it to being nervous. That concerned me. A couple of years ago when he struggled early and was sent down to Rochester to get fixed he said he felt comfortable being with "his brothers" down in Rochester. That also concerned me. Don't like the mindset where he considers AAA a place where he should get attached to.

 

Then finally, the Beradino article last month which seemed to be a preamble to what would be an issue. I don't know what's going on with Buxton. He is offensively challenged and seems very sensitive. A lot has been made about his defense but it appears his reckless play caught up to him. Everywhere I go to read or talk Twins people gush over Buxton like he is a superstar. He can run. That is the only very exceptional thing about him. It's easy to marvel at a bunch of web gems and point to defensive metrics. Meanwhile, I have watched the goalposts move in on this guy. He's been called five tool player and I even read something where he was compared to Mike Trout. I never once bought the hype because I actually wait for results before I heap praise.

 

Looks like a lot of people "touched the money" too soon on this kid. I am very concerned about him if he is supposed to be a big time player for this organization for the next ten years. I'm just hoping he's a solid contributor to the lineup for a few years.

[h2oface]

If the Twins weren't wasting a 25 man spot on Kinley, there would be no need for Buxton to be shelved for 10 days. For all we know, the flair up is over by now. I get migranes, and ocular migranes. Never for 10 days at a time. 2 max.

 

I feel this is mismanagement by the FO, still trying/hoping that all the loss to make room for Kinley might be justified. 

[Mr. Brooks]

Well I personally believe that guys still can improve a lot from age 24, so I'm not too concerned about his game.

 

The migraines do concern me though. For some people, they can be debilitating, and near impossible to control.

[ewen21]

 

Well I personally believe that guys still can improve a lot from age 24, so I'm not too concerned about his game.

The migraines do concern me though. For some people, they can be debilitating, and near impossible to control.

My post was not any kind of forecast.  I more or less spoke only about what I have seen.  Could he become a superstar or a player people thought would be one of the best in the game?  Sure he can, but I a never put much stock in forecasting a player's future based on his "tools".  Life happens and so many other factors come into play.  

 

My main concern has always been his bat.  Thus far he has posted a .691 OPS and an OBP of .292 over his first 1,023 plate appearances.  That just isn't very good.   Nothing very controversial about saying that.  

[Mr. Brooks]

My post was not any kind of forecast. I more or less spoke only about what I have seen. Could he become a superstar or a player people thought would be one of the best in the game? Sure he can, but I a never put much stock in forecasting a player's future based on his "tools". Life happens and so many other factors come into play.

 

My main concern has always been his bat. Thus far he has posted a .691 OPS and an OBP of .292 over his first 1,023 plate appearances. That just isn't very good. Nothing very controversial about saying that.

It's not just tools.

It's tools + destroying milb pitching at every level.

 

Countless guys have had the tools and didn't pan out.

Countless guys have put up milb numbers and didn't pan out.

Rarely (maybe never?), has a prospect had both, and failed to pan out.

 

You are right that the bat hasn't been good enough.

But, barring injuries, I personally have zero concern that he'll figure it out.

 

And the Trout comparisons were always preposterous and unfair.

Trout might finish as one of the 3-5 best to ever play the game.

Nobody should be compared to him.

[ewen21]

I don't agree that he destroyed minor league pitching at every level.  He had an excellent year in 2013, but he had a bad year in 2014 culminating with one game in AA where he went 0-3 (with 3ks) and was carried off the field on a stretcher.  He didn't exactly tear up AA hitting .283 in Chattanooga and was promoted to AAA for 55 at bats and he hit .400.  With that he was called up.

 

He had a bad year and a scary injury in 2014 and that was where I grew concerned about where he might be headed.  Now he's got this recurring migraine thing to contend with.  Not sure how there can be "zero concern" at this stage.

 

As far as the Trout comparisons go and the over the top accolades that he gets it's all kind of unfair.  Sure he can run and play great defense, but that stuff simply won't last very long.  Not at the level he does it now.

[Mr. Brooks]

I don't agree that he destroyed minor league pitching at every level. He had an excellent year in 2013, but he had a bad year in 2014 culminating with one game in AA where he went 0-3 (with 3ks) and was carried off the field on a stretcher. He didn't exactly tear up AA hitting .283 in Chattanooga and was promoted to AAA for 55 at bats and he hit .400. With that he was called up.

 

He had a bad year and a scary injury in 2014 and that was where I grew concerned about where he might be headed. Now he's got this recurring migraine thing to contend with. Not sure how there can be "zero concern" at this stage.

 

As far as the Trout comparisons go and the over the top accolades that he gets it's all kind of unfair. Sure he can run and play great defense, but that stuff simply won't last very long. Not at the level he does it now.

AAA: .961 OPS

AA: .830 OPS

A: .829 OPS

 

3-4 years younger than average age at each level, from an elite defensive CF'er. To me that's destroying milb pitching. Not if he's a college drafted, lumbering first baseman, but from an elite defensive CF'er, yes.

 

And I said the migraines are concerning. They are very concerning to me, actually.

 

I said, aside from injuries I have zero concern he'll figure it out.

With his baserunning and defense, he only needs to OPS in the high .700's to be a perennial all- star level player.

Again, barring injuries, I have zero doubt he'll be able to clear that bar throughout his prime, and think there is a good chance he exceeds it significantly.

 

But, these are all personal opinions. Nobody knows, only time will tell.

[Mike Sixel]

I remain concerned about his hitting, yes. Concerned does not equal convinced, btw. ..

[Vanimal46]

 

Moar Grossman in the OF. Oh boy!

[jkcarew]

 

Moar Grossman in the OF. Oh boy!

Not ideal, for sure.  I'm fairly sure that the original plan called for Granite to be the 'full time' replacement for Buxton...that he would be the 'nearly every day' replacement if one of the big three went down.

 

But, I think that plan had already changed before this injury.  Granite has simply has been too hopeless offensively in 2018 to put in a ML lineup...and it's been right from the beginning of spring training.  It's not just the awful numbers so far, it's how he's looked in the box and swinging the bat.  Maybe we'll find out he had been injured from the very beginning?

[Twins33]

[DrNeau]

 

It's been well documented Buxton deals with serious migraines throughout his career. Is the "blurred vision" line a cheap shot at him? If so, it's not warranted.

https://www.twincities.com/2018/03/28/twins-star-byron-buxton-takes-pride-in-his-ability-to-play-through-pain/

 

Byron Buxton feels well enough to take batting practice

 

By: LA VELLE E. NEAL III
April 21, 2018 - 3:22 PM
The Twins Beat

 

Outfielder Byron Buxton has not fully recovered from his migraine yet, but he's made enough progress that he's going to attempt some baseball-related activities.
Buxton spoke with reporters for a few minutes on Saturday. And you could tell he's not 100 percent. He said the blurred vision and dizziness he was dealing with has subsided but the pounding of stadium music still bothers him. He got a new prescription on Friday and figures it's time to start working his way back to the field.

"Some things you just have to go through," Buxton said. "It's at the point now where I can go out and take batting practice."
Buxton said he might of slept 40 hours over the last few days. I believe him (I saw him earlier today and he was take his rapidly-growing son, Brixton to hang out with his mother so he could go back to sleep). He also said the flight from San Juan on Thursday was rough on him.

But he hopes to get through batting practice start building up to starting a minor league rehabilitation assignment. Buxton was placed on the disabled list Wednesday, retroactive to Sunday.

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What do you think?

[ewen21]

It wouldn't be LeVelle without the typos.  Thanks for the update Doc

[ewen21]

It may be best to sit Buxton out for the NY series:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1&params=oppon%7CNYY%7Cbuxtoby01%7Cbat%7CAB%7C

 

[Craig Arko]

One can but hope this proves safe and effective. Could alleviate a lot of suffering.

 

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1705848

[Danchat]

Don't know if you guys saw this:

 

 

 

X-rays on Byron Buxton's (migraines) left foot came back negative.
Buxton fouled a ball off the foot in his first rehab game with High-A Fort Myers on Sunday. It's keeping him out of Monday's game and could potentially push back his return to the Twins a day or two. He had been slated for activation on Wednesday. Buxton originally went on the disabled list due to migraines but he's been clear of those symptoms.

 

 

Byron Buxton will receive treatment on his left toe in Fort Myers before playing in extended spring training games.
Buxton originally hit the disabled list with migraines, but he fouled a ball off his toe in his first rehab game with High-A Fort Myers on Sunday. At this point, a return by Friday is probably the best-case scenario.

 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I'd much rather him join the team in Yankee stadium and go through the game prep with the team, than p-ss around in Ft. Myers for a few minor league at bats.

[Battle ur tail off]

I'm not sure what to think about Buxton so far. I LOVE the defense he plays. At the plate, he has shown flashes for sure. That said, he sure seems like he is a guess hitter most of the time. Overall, I'm sure he will improve there he's still very young. 

 

The thing that bothers me the most about him though is that he seems to be soft as charmin. Whether that is because he plays so hard and ends up getting injured, or if he just can't play unless he's 100%, I don't know. Either way, he has missed time each season for injuries throughout his career, that is concerning. 

[DrNeau]

Boy. Buxton's line through 4/28/18: 

 

G: 11

AB: 41
2B: 2

HR: 0

RBI: 2

SB: 4

AVG: .195

OPS: .476

 

[USAFChief]

Boy. Buxton's line through 4/28/18: 

 

G: 11

AB: 41

2B: 2

HR: 0

RBI: 2

SB: 4

AVG: .195

OPS: .476

It’s like he hasn’t done a damn thing since April 12th.

[bluechipper]

Buxton's toe was fractured, and he could be out for up to a month it looks like.

 

I'm more worried about his durability than I am about him figuring out to consistently hit at this point.

[Mike Sixel]

Call up Wade. Rosario or Kepler to center. Wade in a corner. No chance they do this, this FO loves their veterans....

[Vanimal46]

Buxton's toe was fractured, and he could be out for up to a month it looks like.

 

I'm more worried about his durability than I am about him figuring out to consistently hit at this point.

Ugh...This sucks. He can't catch a break.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Ugh...This sucks. He can't catch a break.

A fracture is a type of break?

[TheLeviathan]

I think we've had enough (or we're really close to it) of these injuries happen now that we're venturing past "unlucky" and closer to "brittle".

 

And I don't enjoy saying that.

[DrNeau]

Buxton “out indefinitely” now.