Buxton to 10-Game DL for Migraines

[USAFChief]

 

Buxton “out indefinitely” now.

Is that definate?

[ewen21]

 

I think we've had enough (or we're really close to it) of these injuries happen now that we're venturing past "unlucky" and closer to "brittle".

 

And I don't enjoy saying that.

No Twins fan enjoys this.  I am frustrated with Buxton at this point.  I have read countless articles over the last six years about his speed and potential, etc...etc....etc..

I wasn't the one building up expectations or rating him the #1 prospect.  Neither were you.  If I see another "Byron Buxton is REALLY Fast" article/breakdown I think I might hit the roof.

 

I will say my frustration with him started in earnest before this season began.  I did not like the headline, or what this article implied.  Seemed to me it was preparation for lost season filled with all sorts of injuries:

http://www.inforum.com/sports/baseball/4424155-wall-colliding-twins-speedster-byron-buxton-takes-pride-his-ability-play

[ewen21]

The toe thing is odd to me.  He fouled a pitch off his foot.  They said it was swollen, and even told us they drilled a hole in it to alleviate the pain last week.  Then days later we hear there is a fracture.  Did they not check for structural damage after it happened LAST SUNDAY?  It took a week to determine this???

 

 

[Mr. Brooks]

The toe thing is odd to me. He fouled a pitch off his foot. They said it was swollen, and even told us they drilled a hole in it to alleviate the pain last week. Then days later we hear there is a fracture. Did they not check for structural damage after it happened LAST SUNDAY? It took a week to determine this???

A hairline fracture on a bone that small likely wouldn't be visible on x-ray until the swelling is gone.

[ewen21]

 

A hairline fracture on a bone that small likely wouldn't be visible on x-ray until the swelling is gone.

I was wondering if that were the case.

 

Do you have experience in this area?

[Mr. Brooks]

I was wondering if that were the case.

 

Do you have experience in this area?

No I do not. Speculative only.

[Squirrel]

A hairline fracture on a bone that small likely wouldn't be visible on x-ray until the swelling is gone.

Further, they don’t always need an X-ray to diagnose a broken toe, but depending on the severity and if it’s not the big toe, they may not diagnose it right away. I broke my second toe last December and couldn’t walk without discomfort for about a week. I got back on the tennis court the second week with the toe fully taped and was happy to not be playing on a hard court surface and made due even though I still couldn’t run full out.

 

But still, I understand the frustration with Buxton. It always seems to be something. I’m not questioning the legitimacy of this at all, I’m just frustrated he’s hampered by these things and I’d bet he is, too.

[ewen21]

 

No I do not. Speculative only.

I only ask because I thought the same as a possibility.

[ewen21]

 

Further, they don’t always need an X-ray to diagnose a broken toe, but depending on the severity and if it’s not the big toe, they may not diagnose it right away. I broke my second toe last December and couldn’t walk without discomfort for about a week. I got back on the tennis court the second week with the toe fully taped and was happy to not be playing on a hard court surface and made due even though I still couldn’t run full out.

But still, I understand the frustration with Buxton. It always seems to be something. I’m not questioning the legitimacy of this at all, I’m just frustrated he’s hampered by these things and I’d bet he is, too.

 

I was confused as to why he started playing in live games.  He was listed on the 10 DL and few days later he's playing live baseball.  It is a head-scratcher to me.  Maybe someone can explain the thinking behind this because I just don't get it 

[Mr. Brooks]

I was confused as to why he started playing in live games. He was listed on the 10 DL and few days later he's playing live baseball. It is a head-scratcher to me. Maybe someone can explain the thinking behind this because I just don't get it

He was playing rehab games because he was no longer suffering from the migraines, but was not yet eligible to return from the DL.

[ewen21]

 

He was playing rehab games because he was no longer suffering from the migraines, but was not yet eligible to return from the DL.

Yes, I know that.  However, the 10 day DL for "head issues" should be treated differently.  The Twins needed to rely on Buxton's assessment and I don't doubt he was saying "I'm OK" when he might not have been.  Not sure why he wasn't given more time.  He took batting practice for the first time only two days before and he said he was not 100%.  If I am hearing that he isn't getting on the field until he is SURE his blurred vision or uneasiness is clear for at least two consecutive days.  He isn't getting on the field on Sunday to play live baseball if on Friday he's in the cage talking about things aren't clear yet.

At least that is how I felt and this isn't hindsight

[D. Hocking]

 

I was wondering if that were the case.

 

Do you have experience in this area?

 

I don't personally, but I had a friend who just had a hair line fracture in her foot, and it was missed in the first round of X-rays and then was caught when she had them done again a week later.

[Squirrel]

I was confused as to why he started playing in live games.  He was listed on the 10 DL and few days later he's playing live baseball.  It is a head-scratcher to me.  Maybe someone can explain the thinking behind this because I just don't get it

 

This is just my guess. He went on the DL due to migraines, yes? They probably didn’t give the toe a second thought, thinking it was just bruised, until he was still experiencing discomfort once he was cleared to play after the migraines went away. At that point they determined the hit to the toe was more than a bruise. But I don’t really know.

[ewen21]

 

I don't personally, but I had a friend who just had a hair line fracture in her foot, and it was missed in the first round of X-rays and then was caught when she had them done again a week later.

 

One thing I do know about the big toe is that it takes lots of time for it to heal.  This will take more than a month

[ewen21]

 

This is just my guess. He went on the DL due to migraines, yes? They probably didn’t give the toe a second thought, thinking it was just bruised, until he was still experiencing discomfort once he was cleared to play after the migraines went away. At that point they determined the hit to the toe was more than a bruise. But I don’t really know.

I am definitely overthinking this, but I would rather overthink than "underthink"

 

Pretty much my thought process although the specialists need to be on top of this and be careful not to overlook things

 

 

[Squirrel]

I am definitely overthinking this, but I would rather overthink than "underthink"

 

Pretty much my thought process although the specialists need to be on top of this and be careful not to overlook things

And maybe they did all they could at the time and it was just one of those things that only time could tell. Guys foul off balls all the time. It hurts. X-rays don’t always show anything for something that small (if they even did one.) You apply ice. But then you have a worse pain and your body forgets the toe. The migraines go away, the toe looks better, but then you put pressure on your foot, ow, that hurt. Hmmm, forgot about the toe for a bit because of the migraines, maybe it’s broken and not just bruised.

 

That seems like plausible explanation if that’s how it happened. Whether or not it should have taken that long to diagnose a broken toe, I don’t know. I just hope Bux is back soon and gets it going and has no more DL stints and the Twins go on a winning rampage ....

 

Am I thinking too much? It’s easy to do.

[ashbury]

I was confused as to why he started playing in live games.  He was listed on the 10 DL and few days later he's playing live baseball.  It is a head-scratcher to me.  Maybe someone can explain the thinking behind this because I just don't get it 

I think the reason for the 10-day DL was because they wanted to change his medication for the migraines. There can be side effects and they didn't want to chance him being groggy. If he reacted well to the change, then a rehab stint could start right away. Then, the toe. Ugh.

[USAFChief]

This is just my guess. He went on the DL due to migraines, yes? They probably didn’t give the toe a second thought, thinking it was just bruised, until he was still experiencing discomfort once he was cleared to play after the migraines went away. At that point they determined the hit to the toe was more than a bruise. But I don’t really know.

Didn’t the toe injury happen DURING the DL stint? After the migraines? I thought he fouled a ball off his foot during BP in rehab.

 

EDIT: during a rehab game

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/byron-buxton-has-fracture-in-left-big-toe/c-274261230

[Squirrel]

Didn’t the toe injury happen DURING the DL stint? After the migraines? I thought he fouled a ball off his foot during BP in rehab.

EDIT: during a rehab gamehttps://www.mlb.com/news/byron-buxton-has-fracture-in-left-big-toe/c-274261230

Oh, my mistake. I got this confused thinking that happened before and they now realized it was broken. Forget everything I said before then. Still, a broken toe may not be diagnosed immediately and may not show up in X-rays. And hurts. Ash’s explanation then makes much more sense. But putting pressure on it while running may take a bit.

[USAFChief]

Ash’s explanation then makes much more sense.

There it is...proof of the ol’ “million monkeys and million typewriters” saw. Anyone can eventually write anything, implausible as that may seem.

[Mr. Brooks]

One thing I do know about the big toe is that it takes lots of time for it to heal. This will take more than a month

I highly doubt they'll wait for it to heal before he plays.

Again, not a doctor, purely speculative, but I'm pretty sure with a broken toe it's a pain management/swelling issue, and that most people continue to work/ play sports throughout the healing process.

Hopefully Heezy will chime in with an expert onio opinion.

[Mr. Brooks]

Yes, I know that. However, the 10 day DL for "head issues" should be treated differently. The Twins needed to rely on Buxton's assessment and I don't doubt he was saying "I'm OK" when he might not have been. Not sure why he wasn't given more time. He took batting practice for the first time only two days before and he said he was not 100%. If I am hearing that he isn't getting on the field until he is SURE his blurred vision or uneasiness is clear for at least two consecutive days. He isn't getting on the field on Sunday to play live baseball if on Friday he's in the cage talking about things aren't clear yet.

At least that is how I felt and this isn't hindsight

I know Buxton has previously had blurred vision with these, but I don't think it's always a symptom. Has someone reported that he had blurred vision with this instance?

And where are you hearing the 2 consecutive days standard? Did the team say that, or are you just saying that SHOULD be the standard?

 

I don't agree that migraines need to be treated the same as a concussion, if that is what you are getting at.

[ewen21]

 

I know Buxton has previously had blurred vision with these, but I don't think it's always a symptom. Has someone reported that he had blurred vision with this instance?
And where are you hearing the 2 consecutive days standard? Did the team say that, or are you just saying that SHOULD be the standard?

I don't agree that migraines need to be treated the same as a concussion, if that is what you are getting at.

When I read this after his batting practice session Friday night , there was no way in Hell I would have had him playing live baseball on Sunday.  THat is just me.

http://www.1500espn.com/twins/2018/04/byron-buxton-takes-bp-first-time-since-onset-migraines/

Buxton is still suffering from “pounding” in his head, but said symptoms such as dizziness and blurred vision have gotten better.
“Usually I can tolerate them a little more to not affect my mood or how I come to the field,” he said. “This one, first day, once I got to the field (in Puerto Rico) and felt the pounding of the music, it really kicked into effect.”
Buxton, who estimated he’d slept 40 hours over the past few nights, said flying from San Juan to Tampa was not pleasant, but that he was able to get a prescription once in Tampa that helped with his symptoms.
The plan for now may be for Buxton to get some at-bats in the minor leagues, perhaps staying in Florida for a rehab stint with High-A Fort Myers.

[bcs4]

I hate to say it, but I think we're seeing the start of the end of Byron's career.  I have no doubt that the migraines have been caused by impact and brain injury. They will get worse if he stays in baseball.  Even if there's some amazing drug that takes away the pain, more impacts will cause more brain injury.  A big part of his game is impact.  He's been taking hits to his head, like Morneau's concussion at 2nd base, two or three times a month.  It kinda bothers me when people say he's soft or injury prone.  If you'd ever had one you know it's not something you can play through, and it sounds like he's got them a lot.  I really feel sorry for the guy.  

[Mike Sixel]

I am not worried about him being healthy, unless there are head issues. The toe thing is just bad luck.

 

I am worried about his ability to hit. Plenty of other top prospects come up and got much, much, much, faster than this. And better. I have my doubts still.

[ewen21]

 

I am not worried about him being healthy, unless there are head issues. The toe thing is just bad luck.

I am worried about his ability to hit. Plenty of other top prospects come up and got much, much, much, faster than this. And better. I have my doubts still.

Plenty of room for concern with his offensive game, however, the injury thing is very concerning.

[howeda7]

I think you're being dramatic. But Buxton will rarely/ever be a 150 game/year player because of the way he plays D and runs the bases. 1-2 stints on the DL will be the norm. And that hurts his value big time IMO.

I hate to say it, but I think we're seeing the start of the end of Byron's career.  I have no doubt that the migraines have been caused by impact and brain injury. They will get worse if he stays in baseball.  Even if there's some amazing drug that takes away the pain, more impacts will cause more brain injury.  A big part of his game is impact.  He's been taking hits to his head, like Morneau's concussion at 2nd base, two or three times a month.  It kinda bothers me when people say he's soft or injury prone.  If you'd ever had one you know it's not something you can play through, and it sounds like he's got them a lot.  I really feel sorry for the guy.  

 

[bcs4]

 

I think you're being dramatic. But Buxton will rarely/ever be a 150 game/year player because of the way he plays D and runs the bases. 1-2 stints on the DL will be the norm. And that hurts his value big time IMO.

 

I guess we'll see, but I started having mine after a bad slide into 2nd when I hit the back of my head.  From then mine were always triggered by impact or light.  They lasted for 2 days every time.  Never 1, never 3.  It was weird.  Luckily they stopped after 10 years or so.  I still get the visual effects and numbness in my right arm.  I'm fine with that if I don't get the headaches.

[TheLeviathan]

I am not worried about him being healthy, unless there are head issues. The toe thing is just bad luck.

I am worried about his ability to hit. Plenty of other top prospects come up and got much, much, much, faster than this. And better. I have my doubts still.

He seems awfully prone to flukes though....no?

[Mike Sixel]

He seems awfully prone to flukes though....no?

So did Robert Smith, until he was healthy all the time