Tell me if you've heard this before

[Vanimal46]

Lavelle E. Neal wrote an article about Miguel Sano's off-season plan. That he's dedicated to playing 3B full-time, and looking to lose 20 lbs. Same thing we heard last year around this time... 

 

[wsnydes]

Fool me once, shame on me.  Fool me twice...

 

I don't want to be too disparaging, but I'll believe it when I see it this time around.  Please Sano, prove me wrong.  I'd love nothing more.

[adorduan]

Talk is cheap.  We'll see I guess......

[ashbury]

Tell me if you've heard this before

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[Craig Arko]

Not only have I heard it before, I've said it before.

 

Still working on coming in for those bunts, though.

 

Point is, I'm not one to throw stones.

[Vanimal46]

 

Fool me once, shame on me.  Fool me twice...

 

I don't want to be too disparaging, but I'll believe it when I see it this time around.  Please Sano, prove me wrong.  I'd love nothing more.

Let's hope he learned his lesson after this season... I would love to see a dedicated, fit Sano ready to get back on track. 

[gunnarthor]

 

Let's hope he learned his lesson after this season... I would love to see a dedicated, fit Sano ready to get back on track. 

Yeah, it might have been something as simple as a young man who never had to worry about staying fit b/c of his talent level learning a lesson this season.  Hopefully, he's good to go in April.

[Linus]

So apparently Reusse was correct this spring?

[wsnydes]

 

Let's hope he learned his lesson after this season... I would love to see a dedicated, fit Sano ready to get back on track. 

I'm more concerned about the dedication to baseball than the weight.  I feel that if he's working on his craft, some of the fitness aspect will come naturally.  That's not likely to be enough on its own, but it should make it easier.  Plus, if he's legitimately working at getting better at the game, I'll be more willing to tolerate a few extra pounds.

[wsnydes]

 

So apparently Reusse was correct this spring?

From what I recall, it appears that way.

[gunnarthor]

 

So apparently Reusse was correct this spring?

He usually is.  He has opinions, of course, but when he says X happened, he usually has some actual support for saying that.

[USAFChief]

Huh...When Reusse says Sano could stand to spend some time working on baseball, and lose some weight, he gets vilified.

 

EDIT:  withdrawn, as I've been scooped.  

 

 

[Vanimal46]

 

I'm more concerned about the dedication to baseball than the weight.  I feel that if he's working on his craft, some of the fitness aspect will come naturally.  That's not likely to be enough on its own, but it should make it easier.  Plus, if he's legitimately working at getting better at the game, I'll be more willing to tolerate a few extra pounds.

Me too. I'm a little more concerned that he's not recognizing pitches, swinging away at breaking balls out of the zone, and pulling his head during his swing. 

As a semi-recent 23 year old, we think we know everything about the world already. Some times it takes a failure like this to get the message across. 

[HitInAPinch]

If Sano had been playing in RF all this time, weight would not be an issue now.   Just saying.......

[ashbury]

Huh...When Reusse says Sano could stand to spend some time working on baseball, and lose some weight, he gets vilified.

Tell me if you've heard this one before.

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_{^{/ yeah yeah, you withdrew it. Too bad, so sad.}}

[Linus]

I would like to skewer the notion that any position in baseball has enough activity associated with it that it would be meaningful for weight loss. That part needs to come from an outside fitness routine and appropriate lifestyle

[nicksaviking]

 

Lavelle E. Neal wrote an article about Miguel Sano's off-season plan. That he's dedicated to playing 3B full-time, and looking to lose 20 lbs. Same thing we heard last year around this time... 

 

 

When we had the big hubbub about Sano not losing enough/any weight last off season I said somewhere that I wasn't too worried, as young people often don't heed life-choice advice until they've learned first hand that they made a mistake.

 

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many times I was giving advice as a young(er) man only to ignore it and suffer the consequences. I'd like to think learning the hard way made me better for it; my money is on the belief that Sano has, or at least soon will see the light.

[wavedog]

If the embarrassment of this team's performance this year does not motivate him and the rest of the guys who return then I am not sure anything will.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I tend to get a bit annoyed with some of this as losing weight is much easier for some than others. I don't know how hard Sano tried (perhaps he did, perhaps he didn't) last offseason, but if he's got the wrong body chemistry, it won't come easy...and I'm living proof of that.  If I could lose weight while training for a marathon and eating 1200 calorie nutrisystem diets, then I think there's something else there (in my case, there was).  Whether that's Sano or not, I don't know. 

 

What I do know is that he does not look out of shape.  He's got a pretty massive frame and that man will (by most metrics) be overweight if he was nothing but skin and bone.  That said, I do hope he commits to his defense. I really don't care if he's only 5-10 pounds lighter this spring, but I want to see someone that moves from awful defensively to simply below average.  That may save a few runs over the course of the season.

[Doomtints]

Using the Delmon Young script is not a great sign for the young lad.

 

I say just let the dude bulk up and have him DH.  Why fight it?  Why risk him getting more arm injuries?  The Twins only care about his bat, having him field is simply square peg/round hole rubbish.  AND THE TWINS HAVE KNOWN HE CAN'T FIELD FOR YEARS.  He's a known quantity.

[Doomtints]

 

What I do know is that he does not look out of shape.  He's got a pretty massive frame and that man will (by most metrics) be overweight if he was nothing but skin and bone.  

 

Exactly.  He's a big guy.  He's a muscular guy.  He is always going to be heavy on the scale.  

 

I'm not sure who is telling him that his weight is the problem anyway.  That's an excuse.  He is not "too fat" to run and catch a baseball.  I have never seen him trying to catch his breath after fielding.  

[nicksaviking]

As for his defense, Sano doesn't have great range, but to me it at least seems passable. Fangraphs also shows his RngR is below average but actually better than Trevor Plouffe's. Clearly Sano's biggest fielding issue is his throwing accuracy. I'm no expert, but unless there is a mental (Kno)blauch, I'd think repetition may help fix a lot of that.

[TheLeviathan]

In a word about Reusse being right: No.  It doesn't.  His approach is still wrong even if today Sano is dedicating himself to weight loss.

 

Reusse used it as a way to challenge the kid's mentality and desire to win and he used his flat weight as a means to do it.  Sano is always going to look heavy by the numbers, the kid's mentality is unquestionable.  He's persevered through much already and shown his character and all Reusse was doing was assailing the kid's character publicly.

 

I'll never agree with that tact.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Maybe the mods can merge this thread with all the other smug Sano-bashing threads.

[Doomtints]

 

Maybe the mods can merge this thread with all the other smug Sano-bashing threads.

 

That sounds like something that would take a lot of effort.  Putting forth an effort is incredibly anti-Sano.  Who is the real Sano basher, I ask you?  Is it the person who acts the opposite of him?

 

But seriously.  All of us like Sano and are excited about his future.  On offense.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

That sounds like something that would take a lot of effort.  Putting forth an effort is incredibly anti-Sano.  Who is the real Sano basher, I ask you?  Is it the person who acts the opposite of him?

 

But seriously.  All of us like Sano and are excited about his future.  On offense.

Not sure I understand what's behind your question, but I am not bashing Sano.  

 

The errors Sano made earlier this season will follow him for a long time. Sano is responsible for them. Although it would be nice to hear the front office step up and assumed some responsibility too, for pulling him out of the DR last offseason and them dreaming he could become a good outfielder. 

 

My questions to you are: Have you been watching Sano lately? Who would you pencil in at third base going forward? Who would you play at short? What is your backup plan should your Plan A not work out?

 

[Doomtints]

 

Not sure I understand what's behind your question, but I am not bashing Sano.  

 

The errors Sano made earlier this season will follow him for a long time. Sano is responsible for them. Although it would be nice to hear the front office step up and assumed some responsibility too, for pulling him out of the DR last offseason and them dreaming he could become a good outfielder. 

 

My questions to you are: Have you been watching Sano lately? Who would you pencil in at third base going forward? Who would you play at short? What is your backup plan should your Plan A not work out?

 

My only point is that "bashing" is a strong term.  It's probably fair to say that 100% of Twins fans are excited about Sano's future.  If it's not 100% it's very close to it.

 

Sano having 3B experience is great for the team.  It gives them some emergency backup depth while he plays in the DH slot regularly.  Forcing him to field when he either won't or can't isn't doing anyone any favors.  He already had TJ surgery from fielding and has hit the DL this year due to fielding.  He can't hit dingers if he's on the DL, and offense is the only reason he is with the team.  Let's keep him off the DL by keeping him at DH.

 

As for who to put at 3rd, that's a completely different question.  The Twins have DH solved if they want it to be.  Now they can solve 3rd.  Sano isn't the solution because he can't field there.

[laloesch]

 

Yeah, it might have been something as simple as a young man who never had to worry about staying fit b/c of his talent level learning a lesson this season.  Hopefully, he's good to go in April.

 

 

I don't know he's put on A LOT of weight the last couple of years.  

Looks like he sure enjoys eating.  

[laloesch]

 

When we had the big hubbub about Sano not losing enough/any weight last off season I said somewhere that I wasn't too worried, as young people often don't heed life-choice advice until they've learned first hand that they made a mistake.

 

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many times I was giving advice as a young(er) man only to ignore it and suffer the consequences. I'd like to think learning the hard way made me better for it; my money is on the belief that Sano has, or at least soon will see the light.

 

It still may not be enough.  Some people are just stubborn or lack the self control.  

 

Sano has been told he needs to lose weight, and that it will likely improve his career.  Now whether or not he has the discipline at the dinner table, the self control and humility to accept his team's trainers advice is a different story.  Sometimes ego gets involved as well.  I know people like that but it might just be 100% self control.  You put a table of good food in front of them and 9 times out of 10 they can't resist and stuff themselves like pigs.  That's how you get fat and stay fat even if your an athlete.

[pipers44]

 

I don't know he's put on A LOT of weight the last couple of years.  

Looks like he sure enjoys eating.  

And, reading between the lines of the article, he enjoys having fun on the town. I believe it was Antony who expressed concern about him being in New York for a good part of this off season. 

 

He is absolutely critical to the long term success of this franchise and is too young to give up on playing the field. Whoever is brought in to lead this franchise and whoever they add to the coaching staff must find a way to get through to Sano.