Adalberto Mejia Recalled, Vargas Optioned

[jokin]

 

 

 

 I wish him the best, the Twins will need wish they still had him in 2017.

 

FIFY

 

[old nurse]

 

FIFY

Where is Vargas going? He was not DFA. He is on the 40 man. He is not arb eligible. He may be out of options next year, but nothing for next year is determined by him being sent down. Only speculation over what an unknown GM will do when you have zero information.

[jokin]

 

A) Where is Vargas going?

He was not DFA. 

C) He may be out of options next year, but nothing for next year is determined by him being sent down.

D) Only speculation over what an unknown GM will do when you have zero information.

 

A) Out of the organization. Perhaps as a sweetener in a bigger deal.

 

Who said he was DFAd?

 

C) Being out of options after 2016 and him not getting a realistic chance to stick either last year or this year is pretty important information on how he has been evaluated by the club. And then you add in the fact that in the offseason they gambled on signing a long-term deal with a FA slugging 1B from the AA-level KBL... yeah, I'd say we're working with more than just mere speculation here.

 

D) We actually have more than "zero information". It's pretty clear that even if the GM for next year is unknown, the manager seems firmly ensconced through 2017, at least, and he has most definitely demonstrated that he is not a Vargas fan. (After everything that transpired with Vargas in 2015, I predicted in May, 2015 that Vargas' long-term future with the club was over- nothing has changed to change that prediction)

[DuluthFan]

Now is NOT the time to randomly promote players to the 40 man roster so the fans can see a player play. With September callups just a couple weeks away, it would be best to leave the roster shuffling until then to the unexciting role players that won't hurt the organization if they happen to be lost to another team. Leave the prospects on their normal / scheduled promotion schedule.

 

With potentially a new GM entering the organization probably after the season, you do not want to create additional roster headaches for him to address. That random roster addition you are asking for may be a non-roster candidate for the incoming GM. He may want to clean house and promote his own guys. By adding that random player, you may be exposing him to waivers prematurely if the GM decides to DFA him. That player would have been safe in the organization until the rule 5 draft at least.

 

Do not be surprised if their are not any 40 man roster additions for September call ups this year. It would be in the organizations best interest to not mess with the rosters before the new GM has a chance to have his / her say in who should stay or go.

 

 

[DJSim22]

People are getting worked up about optioning Vargas for 10 days? 

[AZTwin]

People are getting worked up about optioning Vargas for 10 days?

Lol no kidding. Can't win around here. Seems like the moves I like, are hated around these parts. And the moves I don't like are usually considered good moves by the general consensus here.

[Vanimal46]

Another example of not making it a priority giving Vargas playing time. If I were him, I'd demand to be released or traded from this team in the winter. Maybe some other team will give him consistent playing time in the majors.

[KirbyDome89]

 

It sounds like the Arcia fan club has adopted a new faux hero in Vargas.  He leads the Twins in OPS.  SSS.  He needs to continue developing and July is history.

 

Face it.  Kennys has tapered off.  His OPS is half what it was on July 10.  He is 2 for August.  He is trending in the wrong direction.  He needs to play every day and it won't happen in Minnesota. There is a crowd at First Base right now.  Plouffe needs to play to showcase his value for an August trade.  This pushes Sano to DH.  Plouffe may play an occasional 1B too.  Mauer, even with tired quads will play 1B and DH.  Not much room for Kennys.  He has options.  He needs to find that July consistency for a season.  I wish him the best, the Twins will need him in 2017.

If you mean the "Tired of watching players who potentially have a future on the team being mishandled, while less talented/important players received playing time and keep roster spots" club has adopted a new hero ,then yeah you're spot on. There is a massive difference between "can't make room," and "won't make room." Plouffe has been relatively solid the past few years, but he isn't a long term fixture and honestly he shouldn't be on the team past this winter. His trade value isn't going to change between now and December. There is no reason Vargas, who is out of options next year, should be in AAA.

[Platoon]

Mejia was just optioned. Who's the call up?

 

Pat Light?

ByungHo Park? are my guesses

 

Might be fun to see ABWIII, too. He can't be much worse in a corner than what we're rolling with now, and it would be nice to take a look.

Park being recalled at this time, would make me play the old song, "they're coming to take me away, ha ha" while running around my yard naked chasing butterfly's.

[old nurse]

 

A) Out of the organization. Perhaps as a sweetener in a bigger deal.

 

Who said he was DFAd?

 

C) Being out of options after 2016 and him not getting a realistic chance to stick either last year or this year is pretty important information on how he has been evaluated by the club. And then you add in the fact that in the offseason they gambled on signing a long-term deal with a FA slugging 1B from the AA-level KBL... yeah, I'd say we're working with more than just mere speculation here.

 

D) We actually have more than "zero information". It's pretty clear that even if the GM for next year is unknown, the manager seems firmly ensconced through 2017, at least, and he has most definitely demonstrated that he is not a Vargas fan. (After everything that transpired with Vargas in 2015, I predicted in May, 2015 that Vargas' long-term future with the club was over- nothing has changed to change that prediction)

You make a comment like Vargas is out of the organization.  

 

As of now there is nothing happening . Attack because he might be a sweetener in a deal. The whole minor league of fringe players  are sweeteners for deals. So if the Twins hang on to these players because they do nor make trades are you going to blast them for not making trades?

[Riverbrian]

 

It sounds like the Arcia fan club has adopted a new faux hero in Vargas.  He leads the Twins in OPS.  SSS.  He needs to continue developing and July is history.

 

Face it.  Kennys has tapered off.  His OPS is half what it was on July 10.  He is 2 for August.  He is trending in the wrong direction.  He needs to play every day and it won't happen in Minnesota. There is a crowd at First Base right now.  Plouffe needs to play to showcase his value for an August trade.  This pushes Sano to DH.  Plouffe may play an occasional 1B too.  Mauer, even with tired quads will play 1B and DH.  Not much room for Kennys.  He has options.  He needs to find that July consistency for a season.  I wish him the best, the Twins will need him in 2017.

 

Yeah

 

I'll sign those adoption papers. 

 

I do agree that there appears to be a Plouffe showcase happening and I'll be Ok with that. I get the space for Kennys thing.. 

 

I'm also willing to "face it"... Vargas has indeed tapered off. That All-Star break was rough on him... Coming out of the All-Star break... He wasn't able to sustain the 1.903 OPS he had going into it.  

 

However I will not use August numbers against Vargas because he isn't playing in August by Molitor decision... and... and... I will stand by every game played by Vargas in July and say he did nothing to deserve the August 2 benching.

 

What I struggle to face is why Molly will quickly assign Vargas large amounts of bench time while others are allowed to taper off and keep playing. 

 

Come on up to the Bigs son and prove yourself... But don't go for 0-5 ever!!!

 

0-5 forgiveness is only allowed for certain players. 

 

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Now is NOT the time to randomly promote players to the 40 man roster so the fans can see a player play. With September callups just a couple weeks away, it would be best to leave the roster shuffling until then to the unexciting role players that won't hurt the organization if they happen to be lost to another team. Leave the prospects on their normal / scheduled promotion schedule.

 

With potentially a new GM entering the organization probably after the season, you do not want to create additional roster headaches for him to address. That random roster addition you are asking for may be a non-roster candidate for the incoming GM. He may want to clean house and promote his own guys. By adding that random player, you may be exposing him to waivers prematurely if the GM decides to DFA him. That player would have been safe in the organization until the rule 5 draft at least.

 

Do not be surprised if their are not any 40 man roster additions for September call ups this year. It would be in the organizations best interest to not mess with the rosters before the new GM has a chance to have his / her say in who should stay or go.

Your explanation makes very little sense in this context. The team already added Albers and O'Rourke to the 40-man roster in the last week. And O'Rourke was suggestion #1 to option in this thread, and few people have a problem with recalling Mejia -- the issue is, why option Vargas unnecessarily?

 

I will add, this team's conservative roster approach has nothing to do with a new GM. Remember last year when we left Aaron Thompson on the 40-man but didn't recall him in September, and left Rogers off the roster until November even though our stretch drive bullpen absolutely could have used another arm? Yeah. There are reasons not to recall, say, Wheeler right now -- but it's not because they expect a new GM, and it has very little to do with optioning Vargas.

 

I will add that Wimmers, like O'Rourke and Albers, is set to become a minor league free agent after the season anyway, so it would not cost anything to add him to the 40-ma and drop him later (although I repeat, that is a separate issue from the Vargas demotion).

[Craig Arko]

Maybe he could have played in the outfield.

[nytwinsfan]

 

Yeah

 

I'll sign those adoption papers. 

 

I do agree that there appears to be a Plouffe showcase happening and I'll be Ok with that. I get the space for Kennys thing.. 

 

I'm also willing to "face it"... Vargas has indeed tapered off. That All-Star break was rough on him... Coming out of the All-Star break... He wasn't able to sustain the 1.903 OPS he had going into it.  

 

However I will not use August numbers against Vargas because he isn't playing in August by Molitor decision... and... and... I will stand by every game played by Vargas in July and say he did nothing to deserve the August 2 benching.

 

What I struggle to face is why Molly will quickly assign Vargas large amounts of bench time while others are allowed to taper off and keep playing. 

 

Come on up to the Bigs son and prove yourself... But don't go for 0-5 ever!!!

 

0-5 forgiveness is only allowed for certain players. 

100% cosign this. Exactly right.

[Jham]

Question: Did this single appearance mean that 2016 counts as an option year for Mejia?  That would seem like a poor use of resources.  

 

Vargas has been struggling pretty badly.  We're not going to DFA Plouffe.  Sano to the DL would have made some sense.  Everyone else is pretty much in heavy rotation.  We needed the pitching.  Try to get Vargas the steady playing time he's not getting here and see if he can get hot for a September call.  This is year 3 of the ups and downs for Vargas.  He at times shows a short powerful swing, but with any amount of success, he goes back to long and uncontrolled.  Apparently, for his first few seasons, he refused to even show restraint during batting practice, let alone in a game where the team depends on him.  The Arcia comparisons are apropos.  

[jorgenswest]

Mejia was already on the 40 and hence already had used an option this year when the Giants sent him to AA in the spring. His appearance yesterday wouldn't change that status.

[Vanimal46]

Are there examples of pre-arbitration players that refuse to sign the contract in order to become a free agent?

[kab21]

People seem to have left out Sano's tweaked arm. He was DH'ing a lot before Plouffe came back and I wouldn't be surprised if he would be DH'ing a lot if Plouffe wasn't playing 3B.

So if Sano is at DH and is going to play and Mauer is at 1B and he is going to play (until his recent tweaked quad then Vargas is going to be on the bench a lot. And he has been unfortunately. Sending him down (or putting Mauer on the DL) is probably the right move. This is the roster situation that the Twins are in right now. Too many DH's and 1B. Did anyone ever think that would have been the case 10 years ago.

I like Vargas a lot and this sucks though.

[Shaitan]

Meh, don't care about a 2 week demotion to AAA for anybody. He's not going to play in MLB and he'll be back up before the moon cycles. Let him get the at bats.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

People are getting worked up about optioning Vargas for 10 days?

 

No, it's not that.

[SwainZag]

 

No, it's not that.

 

I think it's exactly that.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Maybe he could have played in the outfield.

Not so far fetched, now that both Grossman and Santana as outfielders have dropped below Sano, measured by UZR/150

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I think it's exactly that.

No, there's usually more behind it. Vargas plays first base pretty well. He was hitting well until he lost time to Polanco and Plouffe sometime during the first week of August, and then the 0-fers started piling up. Polanco is defensible but Plouffe is a known quantity at this point. In my opinion, instead of playing the optioning game with Vargas and pretending this is the proper thing for his development, the Twins should just trade him. Gladden said on a broadcast this summer that other teams had interest in him.

[70charger]

 

I think it's exactly that.

 

Speaking for myself, it's not about Vargas per se; it's about the use of resources to maximize the future.

[Riverbrian]

Vargas has a small sample size of playing time and tremendous stats. Followed by a small sample size of very little playing time and no stats. 

 

Add them together and you have a small sample size of better stats than anyone on the team has produced during a time when you are searching for players to produce because you lack them. 

 

Vargas coming back in 10 days... Fine... I hope so. 

 

I'm just going to stand here and say it's not his fault.

 

Vargas has produced at a level beyond what anybody expected and asked of him on a team of players who have produced at a level below what anybody expected and asked of them. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Brooks]

Are there examples of pre-arbitration players that refuse to sign the contract in order to become a free agent?

They don't have a choice.

Well, they could retire I guess, but if they want to play baseball they are stuck with the team that owns their rights.

[USAFChief]

In this specific case, they got caught with short starts, extra innings, etc etc and had a temporary need for another arm. I get that.

 

In the larger case, Vargas seems to me just another example of the Twins having no idea what they have. What they want the team to look like tomorrow, much less next year. Plouffe at first? Sure, give that a try for a few days. Danny Santana in RF? OK. Vargas? Who knows? Let's just play it by ear, on a daily basis. Grossman had that good first week, let's ignore years of data and find ways to get him in the lineup, because that will help build a 95 win team.

 

Is there a blueprint somewhere? Anyone willing to make some decisions and act on them?

 

Cause it's difficult to see that from my living room.

[Vanimal46]

They don't have a choice.

Well, they could retire I guess, but if they want to play baseball they are stuck with the team that owns their rights.

That's a shame for Vargas. Going to waste his 20s on a team that has no need for him.

[DJSim22]

 

Vargas has a small sample size of playing time and tremendous stats. Followed by a small sample size of very little playing time and no stats. 

 

Add them together and you have a small sample size of better stats than anyone on the team has produced during a time when you are searching for players to produce because you lack them. 

 

Vargas coming back in 10 days... Fine... I hope so. 

 

I'm just going to stand here and say it's not his fault.

 

Vargas has produced at a level beyond what anybody expected and asked of him on a team of players who have produced at a level below what anybody expected and asked of them. 

 

Vargas swing looks a lot longer to me lately, and it seems like he is swinging and missing more often.  Ten days to get at-bats since he isn't get many with the big club seems okay to me. 

 

Plouffe is a known asset, but they are proving he is healthy just in case there is a suitor.  In Sept. we will see if Molitor plays the younger guys more if Plouffe isn't dealt. 

 

[darin617]

 

I feel like everyone in this organization needs to go.  Pohlads need to sell. The fact that Molitor still has a managerial job is laughable; if I was as incompetent as he is, I would have lost my job months ago.  Pitching has sucked for years, yet nothing has been done to improve it. The 40 million a year sunk in Hiughes, Santana (even though he is pitching well), and Nolasco/Santiago could have been used to sign TWO TOP PITCIHING TALENTS.  The front office has set this organization back at least 10 years with the lack of power pitching starters and the inability to assess talent at the minor league level.  The lack of obvious trade (even if players were traded for PTBM or money) like Suzuki (this year), Plouffe (over the winter), could probably have traded Buxton in a package for whatever pitcher they wanted (which you always trade prospects for proven MLB'ers), and just the general lack of starting pitching upgrades in the last 10 years.  Even when the Twins were good, the Boys never went out and got what they needed, a bonafied starter; because, they didn't want to give up their prospects. Enough is enough.  Fans need results.  Can't wait for nothing to happen this winter and to hear from management that this is a playoff team.  

 

Go Twins, make us proud!

 

Signed,

Fan since 2000.

Pohlad's would never sell, they are raking in cash like crazy still even with attendance down. So no need to sell when it will never stop flowing.