Trade Buxton?

[Monkeypaws]

Just throwing this out there for opinion - not advocating necessarily.

 

If you could swap Buxton for a future ace, or a premier catching prospect+, would you do it?

 

Given what similar aged guys like Correa and Sano have shown as opposed to Buck's less than stellar debut(flashes, to be sure), will the hit tool ever catch up? Kepler? Walker? Arcia? There is some grade A depth in the OF.

 

I'm thinking that I would do it given the right deal. Has has great speed and defense, but he could end up lesser than even Kepler in the hitting department.

 

 

He is still an incredibly advanced prospect - injuries are a concern, but again, I'd love to see him star in Minnesota.

 

 

Opinions?

[Mike Sixel]

No. Insanity. 11 games......I thought I was impatient.

[USAFChief]

Anybody can be traded.

 

But you'd have to get blown away, and I wouldn't do it for a single pitching prospect, no matter the pitching prospect.  

[kab21]

prospect for prospect trades are really rare.  They can happen but it is rare.  It's more likely that the trade would be like Buxton for Hamels (not on the market anymore) if it were to happen. 

[Monkeypaws]

I don't mean to be impatient or situational - just asking.

 

I recognize the potential as much as anybody. 

 

He comes from a position of depth, odd as that sounds now as opposed to Shaefer Robinson days.

 

Name your young player of excellence in exchange - rare opportunity.

[John Kelsey]

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[nicksaviking]

The problem as I see it is that Buxton's value is still speculative. You might (stress might) be able to move him for another speculative value, like Tyler Glasnow, however if you want a young ace, he's not going to be enough to get, say, Matt Harvey.

[drjim]

The problem as I see it is that Buxton's value is still speculative. You might (stress might) be able to move him for another speculative value, like Tyler Glasnow, however if you want a young ace, he's not going to be enough to get, say, Matt Harvey.

You think Glasnow is the range of what they would get? Harvey is much more closer, but I do agree to maximize Buxton he would have to play a little in the bigs and stay healthy for more than a month.

 

Still wouldn't trade him for a pitcher. Elite everyday guys are more valuable.

[twinsnorth49]

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[Danchat]

My goodness. We should package Buxton with Arcia, Vargas, and D. Santana and get Matt Harvey or Clayton Kershaw. Throw in Duensing and that'd sweeten the deal.

 

It's waaaay too early to trade Buxton. He needs to play in the majors for more than 11 games to properly evaluate his talent.

[sane]

Fantasy insanity.

[Twodogs]

Prospect to prospect a position player is always worth more than a pitching prospect because pitching prospects are always very suspect.

 

I don't get why anyone would give up on one of the highest prospects in all of baseball?  I mean I am sure Sano's value dropped a bit when he got hurt last year, but he obviously bounced back.

[Jham]

Of course you'd trade him for a sure fire star.  Trout, Harvey, Fernandez, etc.  However, few teams if any would be willing to trade a proven superstar for a potential future super star.  Therefore, you probably keep the potential super star unless you absolutely need to deal one in order to get that final piece.  Like any trade, you're balancing now vs. then, and potential vs. proven ability.  Sometimes a star now is worth a potential superstar later or a potential star might be worth 1 season or even half a season of a super star.  No one should be off limits, but it would take quite the stretch to imagine a scenario where it would make sense to trade Buxton for what his market value would likely be.

[mikecgrimes]

For a sure thing maybe, but he seems like Carlos Gomez without the additude and with a work ethic plus a little better all around. We have a spot for him that improves every aspect of the team unlike the sano situation where we because of mauer are giving up the chance to give other guys a chance to dh and rest a little.

[nater79a]

 

Prospect to prospect a position player is always worth more than a pitching prospect because pitching prospects are always very suspect.

 

I don't get why anyone would give up on one of the highest prospects in all of baseball?  I mean I am sure Sano's value dropped a bit when he got hurt last year, but he obviously bounced back.

 

Not to mention, one pitch and there goes the elbow or shoulder. 

[Reider]

Not a chance! It drives me up the wall when people suggest that we trade our best player or our best prospect for no good reason. Buxton is potentially a franchise player. I wish Torii Hunter would have played his entire career in Minnesota. Johan Santana too (although injuries ended up getting the better of him). We need more of these types of players, not less!

 

I've said it all along and I'll probably always feel this way. When we draft or acquire franchise players, lets keep them. Money is no longer an excuse for the Minnestoa Twins to not sign elite players long-term.

[wickedslider]

you could only pull it off in a scenario where a team was rebuilding and needed Buxton more than their mid to more likely late 20's stud pitcher. We have a potentially strong outfield between our current roster and the minors. The pitcher would have to be an ace level guy, not even a strong #2. And I mean a big strong horse, a CC Sabathia type who isn't going to spend half his career on the DL. You'd want this pitcher to be able to pitch at an ace level for a decade.  

      Normally a great everyday player's value would exceed that of a pitcher. However, pitching is the name of the game and the most important position on the field especially in a playoff game. An ace is a hard thing to find. In the above scenario, I'd do it.

[TheLeviathan]

So, move Plouffe to catcher, trade Buxton.....

 

Any guesses on what the hell thread we get tomorrow? Move Mauer to the bullpen?

[Platoon]

My goodness. We should package Buxton with Arcia, Vargas, and D. Santana and get Matt Harvey or Clayton Kershaw. Throw in Duensing and that'd sweeten the deal.

 

It's waaaay too early to trade Buxton. He needs to play in the majors for more than 11 games to properly evaluate his talent.

. Duensing! Ok, now you are just getting a little bit too crazy. I don't care if you give away the farm, but not Duensing!

[Twodogs]

 

So, move Plouffe to catcher, trade Buxton.....

Any guesses on what the hell thread we get tomorrow? Move Mauer to the bullpen?

Now, if he were the bullpen catcher.............................   

[DaveW]

Short answer: no

Long well thought out answer: Oh Hells No

[AlwaysinModeration]

Chance of Terry Ryan trading for Troy Tulowitzki: 0.5%

 

Chance of Terry Ryan trading Byron Buxton: 0.0005%.

 

I think I may have left out a few necessary zeroes there.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

Just throwing this out there for opinion - not advocating necessarily.

 

If you could swap Buxton for a future ace, or a premier catching prospect+, would you do it?

 

Given what similar aged guys like Correa and Sano have shown as opposed to Buck's less than stellar debut(flashes, to be sure), will the hit tool ever catch up? Kepler? Walker? Arcia? There is some grade A depth in the OF.

 

I'm thinking that I would do it given the right deal. Has has great speed and defense, but he could end up lesser than even Kepler in the hitting department.

 

 

He is still an incredibly advanced prospect - injuries are a concern, but again, I'd love to see him star in Minnesota.

 

 

Opinions?

Hey man, doesn't hurt to ask, right?

 

Lot of people have already retired his number, and he hasn't even gotten out of the gate.

[nicksaviking]

You think Glasnow is the range of what they would get? Harvey is much more closer, but I do agree to maximize Buxton he would have to play a little in the bigs and stay healthy for more than a month.

Still wouldn't trade him for a pitcher. Elite everyday guys are more valuable.

I guess I was trying to think of a top pitching prospect. I don't think Buxton can get an ace, only a prospective ace.

[Thrylos]

I'd trade Buxton for d'Arnaud in a heartbeat.

[DaveW]

I'd trade Buxton for d'Arnaud in a heartbeat.

uhhhhhh no

[Eris]

I look forward to seeing the Twins prospects develop.  It is one of the factors that has kept me watching the Twins the past 4 years.  I think trading any of the Twins top prospects (long term benefit with risk of not living up to potential) for a current Ace (#1) pitcher (short term benefit) unless we pay big $$$ to lock him up to a long term contract is probably not the best move at this time.  It might be a worthwhile trade if that one Ace pitcher meant the difference between being a World Series contender or being one and done in the playoffs.  The Twins have too many holes (C, SS, SP) to trade 6+ years of Buxton for 1 or 2 years of an Ace pitcher.  Also as a previous post mentioned, the risk for pitchers having a career ending injury is much greater.

 

Several examples from the past.  How did trading our #2 prospect for a closer in 2010 work out for the Twins?  Capps was 16 for 18 in save situations with a 2.0 ERA in 2010.  Would you feel better about the trade if Capps could have held down the closers role for 2 or 3 more years.  The Twins would have still been a bad team in 2011-2014.  (OK, this is not the best example because the Twins future outfield is a position of strength, but I doubt that trading Hick's (who would assume the future CF duties if Buxton were traded) would land anything close to a top of the rotation SP).

 

In December of 2010, Kanas City traded Zack Greinke and Yuniesky Betancourt to the Milwaukee Brewers for Lorenzo Cain, Alcides Escobar, Jeremy Jeffress, and Jake Odorizzi.  The catalyst for this trade was that Greinke was unhappy playing for a loser (you can read about this at:  http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article2694012.html).   The Brewers had 2 years of Geinke.  Cain and Escobar are under KC control through 2017.

 

For whatever reason, the Twins have seemed to be on the short end of too many trades in recent years.  (Ramos, Santana, Revere, Span, Hardy).  What is this a reflection of?  Poor scouting?  Poor GM?  Being in the managers doghouse?

 

Part of the discussion is about time frame.  Trading top prospects now enhances the opportunity for 2016 and 2017, but reduces longer term competitiveness.  I think it will take a couple of more years before this team really puts it together (similar to the '82 Twins).  I would not be making any significant trades until then (although I would have like to see Pelfrey, Duensing and others who won't be on the roster next year traded at the deadline for whatever prospects could be obtained).  

 

[Thrylos]

 

uhhhhhh no

 

should had said, "duh no"

 

Still, I see Buxton as a 3 tool player (speed, d, arm) who might only hit fastballs and has trouble being healthy. 

[DaveW]

should had said, "duh no"

 

Still, I see Buxton as a 3 tool player (speed, d, arm) who might only hit fastballs and has trouble being healthy.

lifetime .867 OPS in the minors being 21 or younger (same numbers in AA and AAA) doesn't indicate that he might just mayyyyybeeee have a "hit" tool as well? Harsh critic.

[Thrylos]

 

lifetime .867 OPS in the minors being 21 or younger (same numbers in AA and AAA) doesn't indicate that he might just mayyyyybeeee have a "hit" tool as well? Harsh critic.

 

I saw him trying to hit live curveballs, about 100 reps.   Other than a single season at A, he did not break .300 for batting average.  2 trips at the AFL against top pitching talent, .610 and .692 OPS. MLB .501 OPS (I know SSS, but compare what he did to Sano and Polanco.)

 

No, I am not convinced about his hit tool.  Not harsh, just realistic. Regressed a lot the past 2 seasons.