Trade perkins, or not?

[Mike Sixel]

So, for those that think they can't compete this year, and will be borderline next year, why not trade Perkins at this point?

 

If you do think they can compete this year or next, what would it take for you to deal Perkins at this point?

[kab21]

I would trade him for a top 25 prospect like Berrios.  Otherwise I try to win.

[SwainZag]

No.  Competing and realistically winning a world series are two very different things.  Perkins is an elite arm, locked up cheap for 3 more seasons and the anchor to the bullpen and is only 32.  Trading him makes about zero sense for this team right now with the direction they are headed.

[nytwinsfan]

 

If you do think they can compete this year or next, what would it take for you to deal Perkins at this point?

 

More than anyone will offer.

[Mike Sixel]

 

No.  Competing and realistically winning a world series are two very different things.  Perkins is an elite arm, locked up cheap for 3 more seasons and the anchor to the bullpen and is only 32.  Trading him makes about zero sense for this team right now with the direction they are headed.

 

people are typing in other threads they won't be serious contenders for 2-3 more years......why keep him then? Why not trade for someone that will be good then, not now or next year? Or, maybe you can keep Perkins, and try to build a better team around him while he's still elite?

[Badsmerf]

What are they getting back? A top 50 catching prospect (or Schwarber) would be good enough to me. Other than that.... why? He is going to be valuable over the next few years when the Twins are competitive. Plus, he is the best bullpen arm they have.

[Mike Sixel]

Because people keep typing not to trade prospects for guys that can help the next 1-3 years, because they won't compete until 2017/8. Hence the first part of the post....

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

So, for those that think they can't compete this year, and will be borderline next year, why not trade Perkins at this point?

 

If you do think they can compete this year or next, what would it take for you to deal Perkins at this point?

I don't trade Glen Perkins unless the return is insane. His value today is not terribly different than it will be 12 months from now barring any kind of catastrophic injury (and that's a risk you run with every player).

 

Given the Twins' bullpen woes, I wouldn't trade the one piece who makes it even a little respectable (and this is coming from a person who thinks the closer role is largely manufactured).

[Boom Boom]

If the plan isn't to supplement the current roster to try to win now, I like it. Gutsy.

 

One of my biggest issues with TR has been his reluctance to commit to either building something elite or fully rebuilding.

[DaveW]

The guy signed a very friendly team deal, you don't ship his ass out a year or so after that.

 

The twins would be a disaster without Perkins right now.

 

Also the twins can compete now, they are 3 games up in the playoff race and are on pace to win more games then they did in 1987.

[Badsmerf]

We need to stop living in 1987.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

We need to stop living in 1987.

Yep. Hoping to get struck by lightning multiple times and walk away from the experience like Frankenstein's monster is a bad long-term strategy.

[Boom Boom]

Yeah, there's plenty of thoroughly mediocre baseball teams who have won more regular season games than the '87 Twins.

 

...and the '15 ship is sinking.

[DaveW]

 

We need to stop living in 1987.

Why? Actually it provides an even better example since only 4 teams made the playoffs then.

 

Two wild card teams made the world series last year, why can't a wild card team make it again? Also, remember when the Royals were down by like 4 runs in the wild card playoff game? Just more proof that "once you get a ticket" anything can happen in the playoffs.

 

The only two teams in baseball I would give the Twins a less than a 40% chance of beating in a 5 or 7 game series would be the Cardinals and the Royals.

 

They would still be an underdog against the Yanks, Angels, Pirates, Nats etc, but it wouldn't be some david  v goliath thing.

 

This isn't the NBA where upsets never happen, MLB playoffs are truly the most "crap shoot" of all sports.

[DaveW]

Last years world series featured two teams with less than 90 wins, 2012 featured one team, in 2006 the Cardinals made the world series by winning 83 regular season games. It can, and does happen.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Last years world series featured two teams with less than 90 wins, 2012 featured one team, in 2006 the Cardinals made the world series by winning 83 regular season games. It can, and does happen.

Absolutely, which is why I think a fire sale is foolish.

 

Where we differ is how much talent the Twins should acquire in 2015, where that talent should play, and how much they should give up for it.

 

The Twins shouldn't give up but I don't see them having much of a shot in the playoffs with this roster + one great player (though obviously, I'm not against Tulo or Lucroy if that comes to fruition).

 

Where we part ways is Hamels, when you get right down to it. I think that's a bad use of resources on a team with a competent, though unspectacular, rotation.

[Rosterman]

Right now, the Twins are doing whatever possible to "win" games. Their main concern is to stay above .500 and have fans flock for the next 30-60 days to the game, especially when THEY control the prices on 18,000 or so tickets that are on sale (try to find soemthing cheap on Stub-Hub lately). You don't trade one of the two best current players, especially when NO ONE is pushing him for the job.

 

In the future, Perkins (barring injury) will always have worth as a lefty. Even waaaaay down the road, he is almost guaranteed a long and lucrative career as even a set-up man, or one batter wonder.

 

I think the Twins are more than happy to be winning. They dread the thought of slipping below .500 and having a major losing streak, which is why they seem to be staying put, rather than experimenting any more than necessary. Keep throwing the guys we seem to be succeeding with out there until they totally tank.

 

But, man, the team is literally printing money right now. The stands are packed, concessions are selling, people are buying merchandise. There is hope, but there aren't expectations.

 

 

[Vanimal46]

I wouldn't make it known that Perkins is available.... But he's not on my "untouchable" list in trade negotiations either. If he's needed to obtain an elite C or SS prospect why not?

 

EDIT: Considering that he's on a team friendly deal, there's no rush to make a move like that by July 31. Interesting to think about this offseason though.

[Badsmerf]

 

Why? Actually it provides an even better example since only 4 teams made the playoffs then.

 

Two wild card teams made the world series last year, why can't a wild card team make it again? Also, remember when the Royals were down by like 4 runs in the wild card playoff game? Just more proof that "once you get a ticket" anything can happen in the playoffs.

 

The only two teams in baseball I would give the Twins a less than a 40% chance of beating in a 5 or 7 game series would be the Cardinals and the Royals.

 

They would still be an underdog against the Yanks, Angels, Pirates, Nats etc, but it wouldn't be some david  v goliath thing.

 

This isn't the NBA where upsets never happen, MLB playoffs are truly the most "crap shoot" of all sports.

That team was drastically different than this team. It was anchored by a cy young winner and a future hall of famer. They also had 6 guys with an OPS over .750, and a few close to it (Gagne, Lombardozzi). It was a good team. I don't see how they only managed a WC.

[Danchat]

First off, I think the Twins can compete in 2016. I actually believe this. Therefore, trading Perkins at his cheap salary is a dumb idea.

 

Second off, if we trade Perkins, who becomes the closer? Uh... Trevor May? Blaine Boyer? The Twins bullpen would become easily the worst in the league. Perhaps if we trade him in the offseason and we sign a new closer, I guess that's OK, but still.... this bullpen has no depth and Perkins is by far the best guy we have there.

[jimmer]

 

Absolutely, which is why I think a fire sale is foolish.

 

Where we differ is how much talent the Twins should acquire in 2015, where that talent should play, and how much they should give up for it.

 

The Twins shouldn't give up but I don't see them having much of a shot in the playoffs with this roster + one great player (though obviously, I'm not against Tulo or Lucroy if that comes to fruition).

 

Where we part ways is Hamels, when you get right down to it. I think that's a bad use of resources on a team with a competent, though unspectacular, rotation.

maybe it's time to accept that Meyer is a reliever and start grooming him, or the ton of relievers we've drafted the last couple years, to take the closer mantle.

 

Notice lately that when people are talking about or near future rotation Meyer is absent from practically every list.

[HitInAPinch]

The things I Don't believe in  ( er, Baseball wise )

1.  Twins are a playoff-caliber team

2.  Perkins is an elite closer

3.  Current Twins lineup will be sustainably successful over the next years

 

Like I posted elsewhere earlier:  the Twins/Yankees series will settle things.  I think it did.  Just like the Gardy years, they can not compete against the big boys.

 

Perkins to the Yankees for RP Dellin Betances, C Gary Sanchez and a PTBNL.

Oh, and to make everyone happy, throw in Nolasco, too.  What the heck....

 

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

First off, I think the Twins can compete in 2016. I actually believe this. Therefore, trading Perkins at his cheap salary is a dumb idea.

 

Second off, if we trade Perkins, who becomes the closer? Uh... Trevor May? Blaine Boyer? The Twins bullpen would become easily the worst in the league. Perhaps if we trade him in the offseason and we sign a new closer, I guess that's OK, but still.... this bullpen has no depth and Perkins is by far the best guy we have there.

 

I agree, but not everyone thinks they are competitors this year or next, not for real anyway.

[drjim]

 

maybe it's time to accept that Meyer is a reliever and start grooming him, or the ton of relievers we've drafted the last couple years, to take the closer mantle.

 

Notice lately that when people are talking about or near future rotation Meyer is absent from practically every list.

 

Meyer has pitched in relief every appearance since he was sent down to Rochester. I think they are trying to groom him. And the other relievers have all been terrible - why would you promote them, much less make them a closer?

[DaveW]

 

 

 

Perkins to the Yankees for RP Dellin Betances, C Gary Sanchez and a PTBNL.

Oh, and to make everyone happy, throw in Nolasco, too.  What the heck....

No way Yanks would ever do that.

[nicksaviking]

I wanted to trade Perk a couple years ago. Won't happen though, he's local and the bullpen would be even more comical with Fien as the closer.

 

No better way to increase a guy's value than to stick the "closer" label on him. I'd like to see the Twins churn out and trade new "closers" regularly, fleecing the rest of the league before they catch on. It might be too late though as it looks like Oakland is already playing that game.

[jimmer]

Mike, I wouldn't trade him during this season, but I'd look to have a young alternative for next year (whether it's an internal option or through trade).and trade Perkins, and his very friendly contract, so the new closer can go through his rough patch in 2016 and, hopefully, he or someone else is ready for 2017 when we will supposedly be ready to be serious contenders. Hopefully we get someone or a couple quality prospects for him that also help around that time or 2018.

 

Then again, I suggested trading Perkins a couple offseasons ago and then last offseason too, but got slammed in the offseason before 2014 down because 2014 was supposed to be the year we were really contenders, then this last offseson too because 2015 or 2016 was when we'd be real contenders.  Never the right time, always just around the corner.

[HitInAPinch]

 

No way Yanks would ever do that.

 

Agree 100%.  Perkins is not an elite closer.  See what I did there? 

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[spinowner]

 

We need to stop living in 1987.

 

 

Why?

I addressed this in another thread, so my apologies to those who read that.

The 1987 Twins had the fifth best record in a 14-team league. In today's system they'd have been either the second wild card team or not in the postseason at all.

The 1987 Twins had to win 8 games against two opponents to be World Champions. In today's system they'd have to win 12 games against four opponents.

The 1987 Twins needed only three starting pitchers to get through the postseason. In today's system four starters are almost always needed. The main thing that made that team better in the postseason than the regular season was two top-caliber starters in Viola and Blyleven. The rest of the starters were mediocre at best (which is the main reason they finished fifth in the league).

The 1987 Twins started both playoff series at home. In today's system they would have been the road team in all four matchups.

Not that that team was a bad one, but it's very unlikely they'd have gone all the way in any other season, and even more unlikely that they would do that under today's system.

[ALessKosherScott]

 

We need to stop living in 1987.

 

1987 is a great option for this team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Provided Berrios can come up and immediately be Cy Young-worthy Frank Viola.