I don't think SEA will buy into that Polanco is a 3B man. They're not that dumb.

Curious if they want Polanco to be 2B and getting someone else for 3b? Or if they are pushing (if it is a Twins player) for someone like Farmer, or Lee? Interesting?

1 hour ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

Curious if they want Polanco to be 2B and getting someone else for 3b? Or if they are pushing (if it is a Twins player) for someone like Farmer, or Lee? Interesting?

Think .... what would you do/want?

Polanco plus Lee should get us Miller or Woo, but that's too high a price for me. Would Polanco plus Farmer get us Miller or Woo? Maybe if we add in an 15-30 prospect? Maybe a Corey Lewis, SWR type? That I would do. 

27 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

Think .... what would you do/want?

I have the hardest time trading Lee. I guess see what’s on the table. As of today (and this may change) I would try and package something like Farmer, Emmanuel Rodriguez and something else for a good starter. But I don’t know what Seattle is looking for 

I don’t like making a foe stronger - there are other FA pitchers out there w/o giving Seattle guys to plug their holes. If we’re a virtual lock to win our Division we need to consider who we may need to get through to advance.

I’d pursue other options but if we can move Polanco’s salary, along with depth for Seattle, in Gordon, plus a prospect like Rodriguez, all for a young starter, we need to consider.

I’d trade for a solid reliever (Devin Williams) & sign a FA pitcher…….move Varland to depth 5th starter position. Then trade Polanco for prospects or as part of a package to get Williams.

4 hours ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

I have the hardest time trading Lee. I guess see what’s on the table. As of today (and this may change) I would try and package something like Farmer, Emmanuel Rodriguez and something else for a good starter. But I don’t know what Seattle is looking for 

You and all Twins fans do not want to trade Lee or other top prospects for that matter. Then the team just fields the team they have right now with a few simple signings or a gamble trade with Miami.

Your first sentence tells me that you know that Seattle would ask for Lee or Lewis and Polanco or Kepler. This is the conundrum Falvey faces.

The Twins are not going to get pitching from any team that is sorely lacking pitching. They are not signing a top free agent starting pitcher, and they are not adding hitting stars like Soto. This leaves plenty of other gambles and risk plays, of which Seattle presents the clearest example. It's either yes or no.

15 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

You and all Twins fans do not want to trade Lee or other top prospects for that matter. Then the team just fields the team they have right now with a few simple signings or a gamble trade with Miami.

Your first sentence tells me that you know that Seattle would ask for Lee or Lewis and Polanco or Kepler. This is the conundrum Falvey faces.

The Twins are not going to get pitching from any team that is sorely lacking pitching. They are not signing a top free agent starting pitcher, and they are not adding hitting stars like Soto. This leaves plenty of other gambles and risk plays, of which Seattle presents the clearest example. It's either yes or no.

Yes and no for what though? And are you truly arguing the only way to get a pitcher this offseason is to make a deal with only Seattle? I’m so confused. But it is hard to say absolutes for anything right now. I understand needing to give something to get something. 

Perhaps Seattle is specifically targeting Polanco. I doubt they dumped Suarez's contract just to pick up Polanco's contract... That's a separate discussion. Suarez was just a salary dump contract. He's Trevor Plouffe with slightly better defense and getting paid $11 million in 2024. 

Fun fact, Suarez has led MLB in strikeouts in 3 out of the last 4 full regular seasons. 

11 minutes ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

Yes and no for what though? And are you truly arguing the only way to get a pitcher this offseason is to make a deal with only Seattle? I’m so confused. But it is hard to say absolutes for anything right now. I understand needing to give something to get something. 

Sorry to confuse you with the yes or no. What I am saying is that if the Twins are to go for a top pitcher in a trade it will cost players. Seattle presents opportunity that comes with a high price, one which may be very productive for both teams.

Certainly there are other teams to discuss trades with all across baseball. i have noted Miami, where Edward Cabrera is out of options and scheduled to be their #4/5 guy. Cabrera has struggled and I have thought that perhaps Larnach and Winder would benefit from a change of scenery. That may be possible.

Some others teams seem unlikely to trade because their teams are so short on pitching that it would hurt their team to give up pitchers. Pittsburgh is an example and so is Cincy. There are some other options, but pitching talent is hard to acquire and the cost in players is high. This is why so many folks wanted the Twins to sign a top free agent pitcher. This is unlikely due to a restricted budget for player salaries.

i hope that was clear.

18 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Perhaps Seattle is specifically targeting Polanco. I doubt they dumped Suarez's contract just to pick up Polanco's contract... That's a separate discussion. Suarez was just a salary dump contract. He's Trevor Plouffe with slightly better defense and getting paid $11 million in 2024. 

Exactly, it was a dump and Seattle did not see his home runs making up for the empty at bats.

Polanco and any other acquisition is a totally separate discussion. However, the Mariners now need two infielders and an outfielder. Do the Twins see this as an opportunity or not?

Lee by himself is worth Woo AND Miller. (according to BBTV).  That's the problem with trying to come up with a trade with Seattle.  Polanco 8.3  Miranda 5.1 Raya 6.9 and Larnach 5.5 is about 25.8 in value.  Bryce Miller is 25.8.  Woo is 24.6.  A deal like this could work. 

Lee by the way is worth 48.1 so with Miller AND Woo being worth a little over 50 you could toss them Farmer worth 1.6 to even it out.  

But I doubt Seattle trades BOTH.  Robbie Ray is a massive negative 30.2.  Maybe you offer Polanco for Miller AND Ray?  You'd have to take on the salary of Ray but you'd add two SP's to the rotation and move Varland to the bullpen.  But would Seattle give up BOTH SP's?  Even if we took the Ray contract off their hands?  

Seattle and Miami seem to be the best trade options for the Twins.  BOTH would seem to be interested in Polanco.  Seattle could also have interest in Miranda.  You could possibly look for a trade involving Miller or Woo and Ty France for Polanco and Miranda.  But that still requires someone like Emmanuel Rodriguez being included and I'd not be interested in that.  

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone by the way !!  I've walked grand-dogs and gotten grandkids breakfast so this was my chance to check in.  Probably not going to look at TD again until tomorrow.  

How about Polo for Robbie Ray and call it an off season? Lol

How bout Ray, and Woo for Polo, Vasquez, and Gordon?

Heiny, from a BBTV perspective I've cobbled practically that same trade together !!  I had Headrick in there instead of Gordon and I had Miller instead of Woo but either works from a BBTV perspective.  Seattle gets a solid defense catcher whose offense could bounce back allowing them to use Raleigh at DH and 1B in addition to catcher.  They get their 2B in Polanco and in my case a young LHP, in your case a OF/IF utility guy. 

The Twins stack their rotation with Lopez, Miller/Woo, Ray, Ryan and Ober.  We finally add a LH to the rotation and move Varland to the bullpen for 2024.  We still have Kepler, Larnach, Farmer and Miranda as possible trade pieces or we hold onto them.  The Twins take on the contract of Ray (who earns $23 million in 2024 and $25 million in 2025 and 2026 with a player opt-out for 2025) as well as any possible injury to Ray.  But Miller/Woo are both young and talented and (I'll jinx this now) both not likely to suffer an injury.  Ray could be a short term or at least a 3-season fixture in the rotation.  Miller or Woo would be there for a long time.

So the question is:  Would Seattle trade possibly 40% of their rotation to get a starting 2B, solid catcher and a young arm or utilityman?  And would the Twins ever make a deal where they take on a $23 million dollar salary for 2024 with their current budget cutting posture? 

But Heiny, I like your idea !!  I just went with Miller over Woo, but really, either one works.   

Seattle wants Polanco? Really? I read the article and it didn't say anywhere that they specifically name Polanco as a target. 

I think you are stretching just a bit. 

6 hours ago, rv78 said:

Seattle wants Polanco? Really? I read the article and it didn't say anywhere that they specifically name Polanco as a target. 

I think you are stretching just a bit. 

I read it twice and saw nothing about them wanting  Polanco also. Pretty big reach to make this a headline.

Would love for it to be true and somehow get some pitching back. 

Yikes. I hope no one here jumps to a conclusion that Seattle is focused on Polanco. The Mariners will want the best player they can acquire for the return they are willing to offer. Seattle has a ton of options other than Polanco. Perhaps the poster saw this as a fit and titled it a little aggressively. No real foul. Enthusiasm?

It does seem (to Twins fan who want to add pitching) that Seattle and Minnesota are a fair match but their front offices have to have those conversations and find a mutual agreement.

Robbie Ray gets an extra $1 M if traded and is also due $73 M over the next three years. He should be available half way through 2024. I would be less surprised to see the Twins sign Yamamoto. However, we should all remember .... anything can happen or never say never. 

I say trade Polanco, farmer, and Festa for Gilbert,   it gives Seattle 2 infielders and a future pitcher and the twins get a front of the rotation pitcher in return.   It also clears twins payroll  to bring in a bat, or even to retain gray

Remember Twins fans.  We all need to be patient.  After all it'd only been 32 years since we were in the World Series.

I would not trade Lee, as he is a potential impact player. Trading Polanco or Kepler as a salary dump wouldn’t surprise me, even if they didn’t  get much in return. That would free up $20 million to sign a pitcher. And what about signing Mahle similar to what they did w Paddock? 

On 11/23/2023 at 12:00 AM, tony&rodney said:

Exactly, it was a dump and Seattle did not see his home runs making up for the empty at bats.

Polanco and any other acquisition is a totally separate discussion. However, the Mariners now need two infielders and an outfielder. Do the Twins see this as an opportunity or not?

None of us know, but Seattle seems as good a  guess as any to make a move for Polanco or Farmer.  Farmer can play both positions and will cost less.  I'd like to see the Twins keep Farmer for that very flexibility over Polanco.

While Seattle is a potential trade partner, I don't see the Twins having any interest in Robnie Rays salary and no way they give up Lee.

I'd love them to take a flyer on Yamamoto, but the competition seems stiff.

Farmer has proven depth value & Miranda may also. Polanco, Miranda/Farmer plus a young pitcher seems like a lot for Miller or Woo.

But something needs to happen either with Seattle, Anaheim, Pittsburgh or Miami.