Deadline Day: Where Things Stand for the Minnesota Twins

[Nashvilletwin]

1 hour ago, TheLeviathan said:

We aren't going to get a perfect comp.  What it says to me is that Jeffers would not have meaningless value.

The Red Sox just paid through the nose for Rutschman.

I wonder if the Bosox would’ve taken Jeffers for just their single top pitching prospect.  That would’ve been a great deal for us - a consensus top #50 overall prospect for Jeffers.

Besides, with the lockout pending, the extra year of control in 2027 is not worth as much as in the past. See Joe Ryan…..sadly.

[Western SD Fan]

I'm curious on how the QO will work for Jeffers this offseason.  It was reported that he would decline any QO that was offered to him.  The players hate the QO and I would guess many of the owners hate it as well, especially the ones who have to pay the QO tax.  My opinion is that the QO does not survive the next CBA.  The QO must be offered and rejected prior to the end of the current CBA (Dec 1st).

If the QO really doesn't survive the CBA, has Jeffers's value really went up because he is expected to refuse the QO?  How would they account for this if the QO doesn't survive the new CBA?  Would there be a transition offseason?  That has been a missing piece on where I think Jeffers's value ultimately lands.

[Patzky]

Dang, Heliot Ramos was a guy I was hoping we'd key in on.

[TheLeviathan]

2 hours ago, ashbury said:

We have Jeffers now, so no, hanging on to him for two more months isn't the answer to adding 10k.

It's going to take a decade of good faith by ownership to salvage this market.  Jeffers is just a tiny piece at the moment.  You know the phrase AITA?  If the Twins trade Jeffers now, they're the A.  If they keep him and he walks at season's end, he's the A.  Simple as that.

You and I will disagree about the value of the prospects Jeffers' two months would bring in return, versus the goodwill to the local fan base.  Indeed, it depends on whether another team is desperate enough to offer enough to change the calculus - something like what Boston just traded could probably be spun positively to Twins fans.

Joe Pohlad and Dave St Peter set the franchise back several years in their path back to relevance in their market, with their ham-handed PR in the 2023-24 timeframe.  To fix that may require doing things that don't strictly optimize the flow of prospect capital.

Ownership and the FO have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

We mostly agree.  The Twins self-inflicted this problem.  They should be able to do both things at the same time.  We need more signs of good faith.  But from where I sit we have two points of difference: 

1) I think the AITA thing is wrong.  Fans will absolutely blame the Pohlads for being too cheap to match what he gets on the market.  I don't think the ire is directed at Jeffers in that situation.  The Pohlads are the bad guys in any scenario excepting resigning...hence my question

2) I just don't think the decision on Jeffers is a needle mover.  I think winning is far more important.  If the market showed poor returns for catchers I'd probably rescind my complaint, but given what Boston just gave to Baltimore I feel much more strongly that assets like that to build a winner matter more than 2 months of Jeffers.  Even from an optics point of view.

[umterp23]

Hoffman from Toronto?

[umterp23]

Hoffman for 3 prospects: Dasani hill, John Klein and dameury Peña… $12.666M next year in salary

[ashbury]

20 minutes ago, umterp23 said:

Hoffman for 3 prospects: Dasani hill, John Klein and dameury Peña… $12.666M next year in salary

Some of that salary will be covered by the Jays.