Trade deadline day thread

[bunsen82]

I am sure we could always bring back Trevor Richards.  

[Patzky]

6 minutes ago, NotAboutWinning said:

Especially since they gave him a send-off last night.... 

He didn't get a butt hug

[bunsen82]

Quite the delay on compensation for Beef Stew.   

[Patzky]

3 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

I am sure we could always bring back Trevor Richards.  

Keaschall and Keuchel could make summer sausages.

[Patzky]

Just now, bunsen82 said:

Quite the delay on compensation for Beef Stew.   

Someone mentioned a third party was involved 

[Recognize]

4 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Meh,  this version of the Twins wasn't winning the World Series.  Sometimes you need to do a reset.  

How can we be a world series team when all we do is get rid of the players doing well for ****ing prospects that usually never work out 

[Blyleven2011]

7 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

New manager. Gardenhire and Molitor regularly turned lesser prospects into solid contributors. Having this many exciting offense prospects all be inconsistent and lack fundamental skills despite putting up excellent AAA numbers isn't a coincidence. 

I haven't read anything on trade rumors about baldelli  , I really can't believe there is no interest in him ... 

🤣🤣🤣

 

[Vanimal46]

Fair point from Dan on why a return has not been announced yet. 

Who knows, it could be some of our favorite players like OF Cash Considerations or 1B Tobe Namedlater

[bunsen82]

Just now, Recognize said:

How can we be a world series team when all we do is get rid of the players doing well for ****ing prospects that usually never work out 

We actually had team that could have competed for some reason they could never figure it out.   😭

[KirbyDome89]

5 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

New manager. Gardenhire and Molitor regularly turned lesser prospects into solid contributors. Having this many exciting offense prospects all be inconsistent and lack fundamental skills despite putting up excellent AAA numbers isn't a coincidence. 

Exciting is subjective, but prospects flaming out at the big league level could easily have more to do with preferred player profile/minor league development than whatever Rocco is or isn't doing in the dugout.

If Falvey loves a certain skill set, and/or is hard set on a specific development plan, we could be seeing the cap on those skills + development. 

[bunsen82]

Just now, Vanimal46 said:

Fair point from Dan on why a return has not been announced yet. 

Who knows, it could be some of our favorite players like OF Cash Considerations or 1B Tobe Namedlater

Shouldn't have been in a rush to announce it then.  

[Mike Sixel]

6 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Meh,  this version of the Twins wasn't winning the World Series.  Sometimes you need to do a reset.  

Except they've dealt guys with control for guys a LONG way off.....and kept Ryan and Lopez and Ober? That seems like an odd fit in terms of strategy. We'll see....but they've done nothing to fix the O in the next two years, but they've also not traded off the next two years (yet).

[tony&rodney]

Just now, bunsen82 said:

Meh,  this version of the Twins wasn't winning the World Series.  Sometimes you need to do a reset.  

Maybe. I was responding to you using BTV math. I put out sane, maybe, and crazy trade ideas some time ago. The crazy one was to send Joe Ryan (70 at time), Bailey Ober (20 at time), and Charlee Soto (10 at time) to Athletics for Nick Kurtz (44 at time) and Mason Miller (36 at time). Of course this was crazy. BTV rejects it on math value. 

A reset is possible if the guys doing the deals are competent. I just don't have any confidence in that. I don't know.

Change needs to happen but if the FO just puts the same type of players in place with less experience ... hmmm. Does that work? 

[nicksaviking]

1 minute ago, Vanimal46 said:

That is a monumental task for this current group of players. Unless the manager we hire is Jesus Christ to perform miracles, that’s not gonna happen. 

I disagree. There is no Miguel Sano or Brian Buchanan in this group who's lack of athleticism is the root of their problems. This looks like a team full of Corey Koskie, Michael Cuddyer and Brian Dozier. They may not be able to play up the middle positions or steal 20 bases, but they can be taught how to play a position properly, avoid reckless outs on the basepaths and hit relatively consistently.

I think we forget that Ron Gardenhire was the coach who worked with the young position players on fundamentals when Tom Kelly was fed up with the youth movement, and Paul Molitor went to every spring training to be an instructional coach for nearly two decades before he was named manager. Some managers are teachers, that's their thing and they're good at it. Like Joe Maddon and Craig Counsell. Some managers are.....I have no clue what Rocco Baldelli is actually.

[KirbyDome89]

Just now, Vanimal46 said:

Fair point from Dan on why a return has not been announced yet. 

Who knows, it could be some of our favorite players like OF Cash Considerations or 1B Tobe Namedlater

This would be gross. I'm cool with moving Stewart for an actual lotto ticket(s) but if they're just avoiding arbitration here, holy ****..... 

[Parfigliano]

17 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

They had the bullpen and rotation to compete. My opinion was that if they had a new owner who was willing to spend on one good offensive bat, which isn't a big request, and willing to hire a new manager who knows how to develop young players and get everyone to play fundamentally sound baseball, that they absolutely would have been a contender.

Let down by the abysmal hitting.

[Vanimal46]

Just now, nicksaviking said:

I disagree. There is no Miguel Sano or Brian Buchanan in this group who's lack of athleticism is the root of their problems. This looks like a team full of Corey Koskie, Michael Cuddyer and Brian Dozier. They may not be able to play up the middle positions or steal 20 bases, but they can be taught how to play a position properly, avoid reckless outs on the basepaths and hit relatively consistently.

I think we forget that Ron Gardenhire was the coach who worked with the young position players on fundamentals when Tom Kelly was fed up with the youth movement, and Paul Molitor went to every spring training to be an instructional coach for nearly two decades before he was named manager. Some managers are teachers, that's their thing and they're good at it. Like Joe Maddon and Craig Counsell. Some managers are.....I have no clue what Rocco Baldelli is actually.

We will agree to disagree on that. We are the slowest team in baseball. And that’s with the fastest player in baseball Byron Buxton lifting the average for everyone else. 

[bunsen82]

2 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Except they've dealt guys with control for guys a LONG way off.....and kept Ryan and Lopez and Ober? That seems like an odd fit in terms of strategy. We'll see....but they've done nothing to fix the O in the next two years, but they've also not traded off the next two years (yet).

Lopez and Ober probably can't trade til the offseason.  The real question is do they trade Jax and Ryan.  If they do they have no plans to compete for 2026.  If they retain them they still plan to try to compete.  Will probably make some trades to fill in the holes, and find some lotto arms for the bullpen.  Stewart and Coloumbe will have turned out pretty darn good.  

[Parfigliano]

2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I disagree. There is no Miguel Sano or Brian Buchanan in this group who's lack of athleticism is the root of their problems. This looks like a team full of Corey Koskie, Michael Cuddyer and Brian Dozier. They may not be able to play up the middle positions or steal 20 bases, but they can be taught how to play a position properly, avoid reckless outs on the basepaths and hit relatively consistently.

I think we forget that Ron Gardenhire was the coach who worked with the young position players on fundamentals when Tom Kelly was fed up with the youth movement, and Paul Molitor went to every spring training to be an instructional coach for nearly two decades before he was named manager. Some managers are teachers, that's their thing and they're good at it. Like Joe Maddon and Craig Counsell. Some managers are.....I have no clue what Rocco Baldelli is actually.

I know! I know!  Bad at his job.

[Recognize]

MLBs farm team at it's finest haha

[The Great Hambino]

3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Except they've dealt guys with control for guys a LONG way off.....and kept Ryan and Lopez and Ober? That seems like an odd fit in terms of strategy. We'll see....but they've done nothing to fix the O in the next two years, but they've also not traded off the next two years (yet).

I'm trying to tell myself to wait until next spring to judge how they've positioned themselves for a rebuild.  Lopez and Ober in particular make more sense to move in the offseason than right now

[Western SD Fan]

BREAKING NEWS:  TC Bear has been traded to Philadelphia for a 500-gallon gas tank full of fuel.  Sources say the Bear has been the source of too many clubhouse leaks, a troublemaker, and needs to be run out of town to a fan base that will truly give TC what he is worth:  the Phillies.

EDIT:  As part of the trade, the Twins have promised to run twenty (20) more MLB Green commercials per game.

[Vanimal46]

4 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

This would be gross. I'm cool with moving Stewart for an actual lotto ticket(s) but if they're just avoiding arbitration here, holy ****..... 

it’ll be a player I’m sure. Just a little attempt at humor since things are getting a little tense as we wait for the next Passan or Rosenthal bomb 

[bunsen82]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3220894

[nicksaviking]

4 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Exciting is subjective, but prospects flaming out at the big league level could easily have more to do with preferred player profile/minor league development than whatever Rocco is or isn't doing in the dugout.

If Falvey loves a certain skill set, and/or is hard set on a specific development plan, we could be seeing the cap on those skills + development. 

It could be, but the fact that none of them can consistently contribute is bucking the odds. By sheer luck some of them should have turned out to be consistently above average MLB players, just like we used to see.

But in the past, we used to see these guys play every day, stay in for 9 innings and fail before learning to succeed. Now they get pulled for Manny Margot, Christian Vazquez and Josh Bridie in game-time situations the past generations of players used to have to learn to thrive in.

[Vanimal46]

2 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

I'm trying to tell myself to wait until next spring to judge how they've positioned themselves for a rebuild.  Lopez and Ober in particular make more sense to move in the offseason than right now

Correct. And that’s how they’ll get a big bat in return to balance things out

[AceWrigley]

7 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

....I have no clue what Rocco Baldelli is actually.

A facilitator of perpetual mediocrity.

[nicksaviking]

11 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

We will agree to disagree on that. We are the slowest team in baseball. And that’s with the fastest player in baseball Byron Buxton lifting the average for everyone else. 

I don't disagree on the lack of speed. But being below average in foot speed doesn't mean you can't competently play corner spots, run the bases properly and hit consistently. Being fast doesn't have anything to do with these guys not playing fundamentally sound or consistent baseball.

[LewFordLives]

10 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

This would be gross. I'm cool with moving Stewart for an actual lotto ticket(s) but if they're just avoiding arbitration here, holy ****..... 

I doubt they are avoiding arbitration. Stewart would not have gotten that much. I would hope it's actually a somewhat decent prospect (someone at least in the 10-20 of a teams prospect rankings).  When Stewart has been healthy, he's been really good, and he is under team control. His injuries are what would prevent him from netting a top tier prospects.

[Patzky]

5 minutes ago, Western SD Fan said:

BREAKING NEWS:  TC Bear has been traded to Philadelphia for a 500-gallon gas tank full of fuel.  Sources say the Bear has been the source of too many clubhouse leaks, a troublemaker, and needs to be run out of town to a fan base that will truly give TC what he is worth:  the Phillies.

Grease the lightpoles