Why the Twins Might Need to Trade Carlos Correa

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

15 hours ago, h2oface said:

If the Pohlads were smart, they would sell the team and take the money and use it to make more of their precious fortune in a different "business".

Gotta say, this comment aged quite well.

[farmerguychris]

I would expect Carlos would at least consider waiving his no-trade clause.... based on who buys the team (I expect he'd wait and see for that first).  I got the impression the FO would respect and consider his input on decisions, but that didn't seem to happen much once they decided to not spend any money.  He even gave them a list of possible pitching trade targets at the deadline - think Richards was on it?  I bet not.

He's in the middle of his career, and the current owners probably wish they never would have signed him.  I'm still hopeful a new owner will inject money into the team, and he'll want to be here.

[Morland]

Trading Correa would be waving a white flag and telling fans that they could give a you know what about them.

[h2oface]

3 hours ago, whosafraidofluigirussolo said:

Gotta say, this comment aged quite well.

 

18 hours ago, h2oface said:

If the Pohlads were smart, they would sell the team and take the money and use it to make more of their precious fortune in a different "business".

And sell it to a guy that has even more money, and wants to have fun and doesn't need it to be a "business" of this sort, and makes it a hobby to have fun with until he dies....... and spends for enjoyment, and to win.

I hope the second paragraph does as well! The most important. MLB teams are not a regular business. 

[rv78]

9 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

Always remember... The reason we got Correa in the first place was because we were the team willing to pay more than others were willing to pay.

Not entirely true. The Giants and Mets were willing to pay more.  The Twins evidently were third in line.

[rv78]

5 hours ago, bean5302 said:

2. The Twins have no proven depth at SS, and the only guy on the current roster with the physical tools to play SS is Royce Lewis, who the Twins thought was so error prone they needed to move him to 2B or something?

Lewis, Lee, Castro, Farmer. All provided depth or could have at SS. It was probably one of the positions of more depth than any other position on the roster. If we are going to compare talent of that depth to the starter then which position is or was better equiped than SS. None. There isn't any that has proven depth. Not in the outfield or any of the infield spots. If you are going to base NOT trading a player based on depth then the Twins shouldn't trade anyone because they have no "proven" depth anywhere.

[Riverbrian]

57 minutes ago, rv78 said:

Not entirely true. The Giants and Mets were willing to pay more.  The Twins evidently were third in line.

Are you saying that Correa decided not to play for the Giants and Mets? 

Are you saying that the Twins could trade the entire Correa contract to the Giants and Mets because they we're willing to pay more? 

 

[Paul Walerius]

22 hours ago, GNess said:

 No! A team rarely if ever improves by trading their best player and leader.

Rays have done it often.   

[saviking]

On 10/9/2024 at 7:19 PM, rv78 said:

Should have never signed him in the first place. Over-rated and over-paid.

Agreed. I've been saying a small market team can't pay that much for a single player unless they can hit over 50 homeruns and knock in 120 runs a year, AND needs to be able to stay reasonably healthy. We've had a few great streaks from Correa but two long horrible starts to 2 seasons and missed a boatload of games. Signing him was a risk and resigning him was worse. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

20 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Richie, Thanks for providing the fascinating Harvard article, which says that MLB teams on a lower budget, should allocate their budget more evenly among the players and not sign an individual player who has to be paid 27 per cent of the annual salary allocation. However, I sure do like watching Correa play short stop.

Agreed, they signed Correa, I love watching him play, he’s fantastic.

offloading Correa only for the sake of cash preservation and satisfying a statistical metric would be the worst. Lee would be a significant downgrade in 2025.

Next offseason, if Lee is knocking down the door and Correa had a healthy ‘25 where he is tradeable as an asset and brings back a good return, it’s a different calculus.

[rv78]

11 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

Are you saying that Correa decided not to play for the Giants and Mets? 

Are you saying that the Twins could trade the entire Correa contract to the Giants and Mets because they we're willing to pay more? 

 

Seriously? You don't know that the Giants and Mets offered more to Correa than the Twins did and the ONLY reason why the Twins got him was because they both backed out. It wasn't because "Always remember... The reason we got Correa in the first place was because we were the team willing to pay more than others were willing to pay."

[Riverbrian]

41 minutes ago, rv78 said:

Seriously? You don't know that the Giants and Mets offered more to Correa than the Twins did and the ONLY reason why the Twins got him was because they both backed out. It wasn't because "Always remember... The reason we got Correa in the first place was because we were the team willing to pay more than others were willing to pay."

I know that the Giants and Mets offered more to Correa than the Twins did and I also know that Correa agreed to both offers. 

You typed "Backed Out" in your post. Do you not know what "Backed out" means? 

[P Meyer]

I don't know that trading your most marketable player (or one of) is a great way to maximize the value of the sale of the team. A future owner will either view Correa as a marketable player to build around or a potential trade piece, but both of those require him to be on the roster when he/she/they buy.

[rv78]

12 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

I know that the Giants and Mets offered more to Correa than the Twins did and I also know that Correa agreed to both offers. 

You typed "Backed Out" in your post. Do you not know what "Backed out" means? 

Sure do. They backed out because of his health, not because of the amount of money they offered him. 

 

[Riverbrian]

7 hours ago, rv78 said:

Sure do. They backed out because of his health, not because of the amount of money they offered him. 

 

Follow it through in your head. 

The Twins were willing to pay Correa more money than other teams were.

If the Giants and Mets were willing to pay more money than the Twins. Correa would be playing for the Giants or Mets. If the Giants and Mets backed out... they were not willing to pay more. 

Doesn't matter if it was health or body odor. They were not willing to pay more. Correa had a pen in hand... the Giants and Mets did not provide a piece of paper with words on it.

The Twins had the best offer that he could affix a signature to.

If you want to repeat your point that the Giants and Mets originally offered more. Please don't. 

[dxpavelka]

On 10/10/2024 at 8:09 AM, Cory Engelhardt said:

KAT would not have been the wolves best player this year: Arguably he wouldn’t even have been 2nd most important behind Gobert and Ant. But I digress. They hopefully won’t trade Correa

The best player in the  deal.

[Linus]

This simply isn’t happening. First there is no surplus value in the contract so you would likely have to throw in a prospect to make something happen. Second players only waive their no trade if they get something out of the deal (ie $$$$ guarantees contract extension). Who is ponying up for that?  Third the Twins have no above average SS to take Correas place. Lee could be below average there but we don’t know if he will hit. Lewis is not a MLB SS. 

[dxpavelka]

8 hours ago, Linus said:

This simply isn’t happening. First there is no surplus value in the contract so you would likely have to throw in a prospect to make something happen. Second players only waive their no trade if they get something out of the deal (ie $$$$ guarantees contract extension). Who is ponying up for that?  Third the Twins have no above average SS to take Correas place. Lee could be below average there but we don’t know if he will hit. Lewis is not a MLB SS. 

Dude you're completely ignoring Farmer

[rv78]

On 10/12/2024 at 4:55 AM, Riverbrian said:

Follow it through in your head. 

The Twins were willing to pay Correa more money than other teams were.

If the Giants and Mets were willing to pay more money than the Twins. Correa would be playing for the Giants or Mets. If the Giants and Mets backed out... they were not willing to pay more. 

Doesn't matter if it was health or body odor. They were not willing to pay more. Correa had a pen in hand... the Giants and Mets did not provide a piece of paper with words on it.

The Twins had the best offer that he could affix a signature to.

If you want to repeat your point that the Giants and Mets originally offered more. Please don't. 

Ok, you win. the reason we got Correa was because we were willing to pay more, it wasn't because the Giants and Mets backed out. LOL! (If they wouldn't have backed out, he wouldn't be playing for the Twins, but you go ahead and believe in what you want). Drink some more kool-aid.

[akmanak]

It is a bummer Correa has been injured so much since signing with the Twins, but unlike Buxton with his hot and mostly cold streaks Correa is solid on the field and in the batter's box. He seems to be respected in the locker room too. 

 

When he is interviewed regarding his injuries, he is pretty devastated by it. You can clearly see how much this guy loves baseball. You don't trade a guy like this nor would any team sign a player with his history. All you would do by shopping him is piss him off. 

[rv78]

5 hours ago, akmanak said:

It is a bummer Correa has been injured so much since signing with the Twins, but unlike Buxton with his hot and mostly cold streaks Correa is solid on the field and in the batter's box. He seems to be respected in the locker room too. 

 

When he is interviewed regarding his injuries, he is pretty devastated by it. You can clearly see how much this guy loves baseball. You don't trade a guy like this nor would any team sign a player with his history. All you would do by shopping him is piss him off. 

Evidently the Astros didn't think he was worth keeping. 

[Riverbrian]

19 hours ago, rv78 said:

Ok, you win. the reason we got Correa was because we were willing to pay more, it wasn't because the Giants and Mets backed out. LOL! (If they wouldn't have backed out, he wouldn't be playing for the Twins, but you go ahead and believe in what you want). Drink some more kool-aid.

My point was that they would have difficulty moving that contract because they paid more than other teams were willing to pay.

However... I see the point that you so doggedly make. The Giants and Mets backed out. 

Thank you for pointing this out. This was clearly beyond my understanding.