Cards (Fedde) v Twins (Zebby) @ 1:10pm CT, 8/25

[C-Gangster]

Why twins

[ziggy]

The Twins grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

[USAFChief]

Brutal. 

Three Rocco's in 8 days.

[LewFordLives]

An ugly loss. They left the door open and the Cardinals walked through it. Really sucks. And Atlanta coming to town.

[thelanges5]

That was a terrible series. Let’s see how they do against Atlanta coming up.

[Aggies7]

Worst loss of the year. Not a close 2nd

[notoriousgod71]

This team throws away an incredible amount of games.

[Blyleven2011]

We have 2 managers in the dugout  , none are major league caliber  ...

[exeoud]

Bad series loss to a painfully mediocre team. Although, without the White Sox, that's where we would stand as well. Jax and Duran down tomorrow night because of Rocco's genius.

[Aggies7]

I don’t love Rocco but you know what, make the damn plays. In the field and at bat. 💩 all day if we’re being honest 

But we do have to stop using our closer in dumb situations. He’s cooked for at least the next game for sure. Maybe 2

[TwinsCD]

The bats lost this game today.  Bases loaded in one inning, first & third in another, 3rd with 1 out in the 8th.  Plus, letting Fedde get in their heads for a 3rd time this season.

But once again also, it's the little things in the game that leads to this loss and while the Lewis PH situation worked, there is ZERO reason to pinch-hit Wallner in that (or any) situation.  HOW ARE THE YOUNG LEFTIES GONNA LEARN TO HIT LEFTIES UNLESS YOU PUT THEM IN THAT POSITION????  Surely, Wallner could make a productive out.  But then to double down on the questionability (my preferred word would earn me a BS point) by PH someone who is going to cause a total scramble drill on defense and lessen it in the process is just mind boggling.  I will continue to say it until proven multiple times otherwise -- he's the worst clutch situation manager in the game.

[LewFordLives]

1 minute ago, exeoud said:

Bad series loss to a painfully mediocre team. Although, without the White Sox, that's where we would stand as well. Jax and Duran down tomorrow night because of Rocco's genius.

I have no complaints about the bullpen usage. A 2-1 game you gotta go with your horses. If it wasn't for the error all would be well.

[William K Johnson]

I have been saying for years that Julien is not a major league player.    Yes, Rocco managed horribly but my question is why that guy is on this team?

[cmoss84]

3 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

We have 2 managers in the dugout  , none are major league caliber  ...

That doesn't cancel out?

[thelanges5]

Still in good shape because Boston lost and KC losing as well. But you gotta beat teams like this if you want to catch the Guardos.

[exeoud]

Just now, LewFordLives said:

I have no complaints about the bullpen usage. A 2-1 game you gotta go with your horses. If it wasn't for the error all would be well.

I'm talking about yesterday when Jax and Duran were used in a 6-0 game. Technically 5-0 game for Jax.

[jaimedude]

10 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

This won't be popular and it will also be contrary to what I normally say. 

Here goes... I may have considered pinch hitting Farmer for Wallner in that situation. Even if it was a right handed pitcher on the mound. 

The only reason that I would consider it. 

K's. Contact. 

Wallner K's a lot and Farmer K's much less. Runner on third with one out. Simple contact can bring that run home. 

The problem remains in my eyes is that we don't have a better pinch hitting option on the roster for that moment. All roster spots are important. 

This loss is gonna sting in September. On this quote,  recently  Farmer hasnt hit well. His pinch hit effort Friday was poor, and today's results were the same. There was no way Juliene should have been on defense in 9th. To many wasted opportunities this year where Twins have beaten themselves. I would have let Wallner hit against the lefty. If you trust him to bat clean-up you need to start trusting him in later in games. Nootbar was pain in butt all weekend. 

[SteveLV]

How about letting Eales come up if Lee is still rehabbing?  Gotta be better than Julien in the field, and definition of a plucky player and a terrific story.

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, thelanges5 said:

Still in good shape because Boston lost and KC losing as well. But you gotta beat teams like this if you want to catch the Guardos.

Twins have had a million chances already to catch Cleveland. I’m kind of sick of hearing about them when we blow so many games ourselves 

[ChermesZ]

1 minute ago, jaimedude said:

Except recently  Farmer asnt hit well. His pinch hit effort Froday was poor, and today's results were the same. There was no way Julienr should have been on defense in 9th. To many wasted opportunities this year where Twins have beaten themselves. 

Yep, using farmer as a defensive replacement should be the only option for the next 2 weeks.  Same with Margot.

[gregens]

3 minutes ago, William K Johnson said:

I have been saying for years that Julien is not a major league player.    Yes, Rocco managed horribly but my question is why that guy is on this team?

I'm pretty sure he's active because both Correa and Brooks Lee are hurt.

[Parfigliano]

19 minutes ago, Robert Floren said:

Good grief, Julien blew the game.

Contributed.  Not all on him.

[Parfigliano]

18 minutes ago, jaimedude said:

This is on Rocco as much as Julien. He knew Julien is a defensive liability. That and Farmer isn't a great defender. This game should be over. Players have to make plays but Rocco sucks! This one is on him. 

70-30 on Rocco

[harmlessharmon]

"Margot-has-got-to go!  Margot-has-got-to-go!"

[gregens]

1 minute ago, Aggies7 said:

Twins have had a million chances already to catch Cleveland. I’m kind of sick of hearing about them when we blow so many games ourselves 

If I've told you once, I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

[Parfigliano]

16 minutes ago, KirbyHawk75 said:

I am not an expert.  Trying to understand the reason for Farmer to pinch hit.  

Dont.  There isnt a reason other then Rocco.

[exeoud]

3 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Twins have had a million chances already to catch Cleveland. I’m kind of sick of hearing about them when we blow so many games ourselves 

Yep, I'm about done even checking their scores. There's no point. The Twins could have a game 163 to win the division and they would lose that game 100 times out of 100.

[Blyleven2011]

Just now, Parfigliano said:

Dont.  There isnt a reason other then Rocco.

No reason to cut him any slack , no reason at all , cost us 3 games since last Sunday  and he has an ex manager next to him , they both gotta go , injuries have been a problem  but so has our manager ...

I will never cut him any slack ...

[William K Johnson]

6 minutes ago, gregens said:

I'm pretty sure he's active because both Correa and Brooks Lee are hurt.

The problem is that by carrying dead weight like Margot, it removes the ability to have a real second baseman on hand.   I know that that is the reason Farmer is on the team to replace the gloveless wonder late in games, but Rocco completely negated that opportunity today with his managing.

[Parfigliano]

11 minutes ago, thelanges5 said:

Still in good shape because Boston lost and KC losing as well. But you gotta beat teams like this if you want to catch the Guardos.

Im worried about catching a WC spot.