Baltimore is getting Corbin Burnes

[Cory Engelhardt]

So that (potential) dream is dead

[Dman]

I really read the Brewers wrong as I thought they would wait until the deadline to trade Burns.  They must be getting something really good back.  I wonder what it is?

[tony&rodney]

Reports (early) say Ortiz and Hall. In an hour we shall know. Great pick up by the Orioles. 

[Brandon]

6 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

Reports (early) say Ortiz and Hall. In an hour we shall know. Great pick up by the Orioles. 

and a competitive round draft pick.  that feels light unless they think the SS Ortiz is likely to be a star.  I like Minnesota's return for Polanco better.

 

[jorgenswest]

Varland, Gonzalez and competitive pick B would have been comparable. I would do that deal and improve it some to win the deal.

[CRF]

Burnes would've been a real nice get for us...oh well.

[SwainZag]

What's a hypothetical extension look like for Burnes?  He will 30 and hit free agency at the end of the season.

[LewFordLives]

I wonder if the Brewers view Hall as a reliever or starter.

I don't understand why the Brewers are doing this.  They just came off a season where they ran away with the division and are sure to be in the playoff mix again in 2024.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

18 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Varland, Gonzalez and competitive pick B would have been comparable. I would do that deal and improve it some to win the deal.

That does seem like a good comp. However, I am high on Varland and not as high on Gonzalez. I also have a bit of trade fatigue.

I’m not sure why Milwaukee does this trade. I am not one to worry about capturing future value from good players heading in to their free agency seasons— I think a team in the Twins or Brewers position ought to field their best teams for the present. 

[Fatbat]

Wow. Things are beginning to move quicker this week in trade land. 

[chpettit19]

Do the Brewers think Ortiz is ready to hit enough to be their starting SS and try to spin Adames into something else now? If Hall or Misiorowski can step into the rotation and live up to their prospect rankings over the years they could still be very good. Or both of them end up with Williams in the pen and they would have an absolute wipeout pen. They seem to be trying to pull off the ol' "competitive rebuild" as they transition to a new young core. Will be interesting to see which of their young guys can step up and if this is the start of something really good or if it turns into a flat out rebuild.

[tony&rodney]

Not that it matters except for the timing is pretty obvious but does anyone else think that the Brewers were after Polanco and had to turn elsewhere? Hall and Ortiz plus a comp pick is not a bad turn though. 

Old rumors were that the Brewers wanted Polanco, Raya, and a demand for an unknown third player or comp pick but Burnes may have been too rich for the Twins in any event along with the loss of Raya+. 

[Dman]

I guess in Hall they think they have their Hader replacement or maybe they think he can start?  They have him for 6 years now for one year of Burns but I thought they would have wanted a legit starter to replace Burns.  I guess they save 15M so they can buy one of the budget starters as well.

I get Ortiz is a defensive wizard but I don't buy the hitting numbers.  Feels too risky for me. Still, I guess they can lean on his defense and hope the offense follows.  Gotta believe getting the comp pick put this over the top.  If they kept Burns all year that is all they would have gotten and they would have had to wait another year to recoup the pick.  Now they get that pick a year early and they have 4 picks in the first 68 selections for this year to kick start the farm.

I guess that is a pretty good return for one year of Burns, but it feels like their shot at a World series title takes a serious hit without Burns.  I guess they are playing the long game.  They sure fooled me as I thought with the moves they had made that they were gonna give it one more try this year.

[Riverbrian]

10 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

They seem to be trying to pull off the ol' "competitive rebuild"

They've done it before. Same Org that traded Hader while in contention. 

The Brewers give me a headache when I try to get into their head. The only thing that kinda makes sense is faithful execution of trading players before they leave for nothing.

If that's the case... Adames must go.

I honestly don't understand why they signed Hoskins at all. 

[Cory Engelhardt]

10 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Not that it matters except for the timing is pretty obvious but does anyone else think that the Brewers were after Polanco and had to turn elsewhere? Hall and Ortiz plus a comp pick is not a bad turn though. 

Old rumors were that the Brewers wanted Polanco, Raya, and a demand for an unknown third player or comp pick but Burnes may have been too rich for the Twins in any event along with the loss of Raya+. 

As a Twins fan, that deal would have been very exciting

[tony&rodney]

6 minutes ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

As a Twins fan, that deal would have been very exciting

Yes, except the Twins can't afford Burnes. Milwaukee is moving towards $100 million for their roster, so it looks possible that mid  and smaller market teams will pull back on payroll. This could mean some good opportunities for younger players to step forward.

[Cory Engelhardt]

I mean, for 2024, the Twins certainly could have afforded Burnes' contract. It's only about 15 million. I actually think there is room for them to extend someone like Burnes for 2025 ongoing, but that's a different story.

I'm curious if he will get extended in Baltimore. New owners, so there will be a push for it. We'll see.

[Eris]

In 2022, Hall was MLBs 7th ranked LHP prospect, right after MacKenzie Gore

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2022/lhp/

 

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, Riverbrian said:

They've done it before. Same Org that traded Hader while in contention. 

The Brewers give me a headache when I try to get into their head. The only thing that kinda makes sense is faithful execution of trading players before they leave for nothing.

If that's the case... Adames must go.

I honestly don't understand why they signed Hoskins at all. 

Yeah, they're interesting to follow. No more Burnes, Woodruff (his injury blew that up anyways), or Houser in the rotation, but added Hoskins. Peralta, Miley, Ross, Rea, Gasser is a much different rotation than Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta. I'd bet they think Hall is ready to plug into the rotation and have some high hopes for him. Or Misiorowski.

They've got a lot of young guys who have debuted, or are ready to debut, so I can understand the Hoskins signing if you think your youngsters are ready now. But that rotation took a massive hit this offseason and they're trying to thread a pretty tight needle here. Luckily for them the NL Central isn't a great division by any means. But what they do with Adames will be interesting. Maybe more of a deadline deal after they see what Ortiz can do?

[Riverbrian]

42 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Yeah, they're interesting to follow. No more Burnes, Woodruff (his injury blew that up anyways), or Houser in the rotation, but added Hoskins. Peralta, Miley, Ross, Rea, Gasser is a much different rotation than Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta. I'd bet they think Hall is ready to plug into the rotation and have some high hopes for him. Or Misiorowski.

They've got a lot of young guys who have debuted, or are ready to debut, so I can understand the Hoskins signing if you think your youngsters are ready now. But that rotation took a massive hit this offseason and they're trying to thread a pretty tight needle here. Luckily for them the NL Central isn't a great division by any means. But what they do with Adames will be interesting. Maybe more of a deadline deal after they see what Ortiz can do?

In my opinion... (my opinion is worth a little bet less than the opinion of Mark Attanasio and Matt Arnold). 

Just tear it down and continue down that path. Look at the roster as it stands... it's young with a capital Y. 

Do they really need a 12 million dollar vet mentor like Rhys Hoskins when they already have a 130 million dollar vet mentor in Christian Yelich. 

Trade Adames, Peralta and Williams and load up. 

I'd even consider trading Contreras because he would bring back a lot but that's a move they don't have to make because he has a chance of being under control when they come back around.  

What they appear to be doing... this competitive rebuild thing... looks like it will just slow down the process and never really get them there. 

I don't know... they just confuse me. 

[SwainZag]

14 hours ago, Eris said:

In 2022, Hall was MLBs 7th ranked LHP prospect, right after MacKenzie Gore

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/2022/lhp/

 

Yeah I don't really get how Hall = Varland.  I know they are only a year apart, but Hallw as also much higher considered than Varland.  He did pitch out of the pen in AAA and the majors last year, but he was pretty damn good and he is left handed.  His stuff is better than Varland's.  I feel if the Twins traded a guy who had been a consistent top 100 prospect for 4 years running this place would implode.

[jorgenswest]

14 hours ago, SwainZag said:

Yeah I don't really get how Hall = Varland.  I know they are only a year apart, but Hallw as also much higher considered than Varland.  He did pitch out of the pen in AAA and the majors last year, but he was pretty damn good and he is left handed.  His stuff is better than Varland's.  I feel if the Twins traded a guy who had been a consistent top 100 prospect for 4 years running this place would implode.

The Twins don’t have a Hall to send. They need Ober and next is Varland. To match that deal or better it they would need to send someone like Emmanuel Rodriguez.

I hope the Twins make the playoffs. I expect the Orioles will. DeSclafini isn’t likely to be on a playoff roster. Burnes would start game 1. His salary might be tough to fit in. They would have needed to trade Polanco without taking back significant salary and have the foresight to nontender Farmer as well as part the young players necessary to get Burnes. I would have gone the direction of putting my resources into one significant player that pushes everyone down a notch. The Twins went for depth. The depth will help them get to the playoffs. Elite players help teams win in the playoffs.

[Fatbat]

3 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

The Twins don’t have a Hall to send. They need Ober and next is Varland. To match that deal or better it they would need to send someone like Emmanuel Rodriguez.

I hope the Twins make the playoffs. I expect the Orioles will. DeSclafini isn’t likely to be on a playoff roster. Burnes would start game 1. His salary might be tough to fit in. They would have needed to trade Polanco without taking back significant salary and have the foresight to nontender Farmer as well as part the young players necessary to get Burnes. I would have gone the direction of putting my resources into one significant player that pushes everyone down a notch. The Twins went for depth. The depth will help them get to the playoffs. Elite players help teams win in the playoffs.

Burnes is making $15M in ‘24. Even the Pohlads could afford him. 

[jorgenswest]

9 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

Burnes is making $15M in ‘24. Even the Pohlads could afford him. 

Santana’s signing suggests otherwise. I have accepted the budget they have set. I don’t agree with how they allocated those dollars this off-season. 

[Rosterman]

Sure, it could be a high=price to play for one year of a soon to be expensive free agent. But the Twins could've pulled it off, easily...considering what Baltimore gave the Brewers.