Staking their Claims

[chpettit19]

16 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

Can anyone tell me if a team can only claim one player at a time?  That is--if OAK wanted to, could they claim all these players, and get all of them?  Or once they get awarded the claim on their first choice, do they drop to 30th for their second player?

According to The Athletic, yes, Oakland could claim all of them and get all of them. Waiver order is based strictly on current winning% (as of tomorrow, so today's games still matter) and nothing else effects them. 

[dex8425]

18 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

Can anyone tell me if a team can only claim one player at a time?  That is--if OAK wanted to, could they claim all these players, and get all of them?  Or once they get awarded the claim on their first choice, do they drop to 30th for their second player?

It's the former. They could claim all if they wanted them all. 

[Steve Lein]

I'm not a fan of calling this type of behavior from the team a "classy" move. They can spin it as doing the guys a solid and perhaps letting them get into a playoff race, but it's actually the type of thing that will piss everyone else in the league off.

This just might be the type of abuse of the rules that makes MLB shut the door completely on it.

[Brandon]

I’m just going to beat a dead horse and say the Twins should go for the pitching.  The 3 relievers and Clenenger and Giolito too.  And one of the rh bats.  Renfro or Grichuk.  Get something done.  I worry we hit our payroll limit for the season and management will decide to do nothing.  

[dex8425]

8 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

I just do not see these players making it to the Twins.  At least not the players we might want to have.  

This is how I see it as well. So many teams need bullpen help and rotation help. Zero chance the Twins get any of the Angels relievers or Giolito.  I think the best starter that makes it to the Twins is Carrasco...I'd pass. 

[Minny505]

2 hours ago, Alex Wilde said:

You might as well claim every single one of them and then figure out what happens from there. Do not pick and choose because you might be left with nothing at the end of the day. The obvious goal would be to get one additional BP arm and a right-handed corner OF to hit in the middle of the order against lefties.

This really isn't necessary. It's highly likely only playoff contenders will be claiming any of these players. Because of the Twins's record, the team will be one of the highest priority teams on the list, possibly the second highest after the Reds.

With that level of priority, the Twins should be able to get almost anyone they want from the wire.

[Minny505]

13 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

I just do not see these players making it to the Twins.  At least not the players we might want to have.  

Do you expect non-playoff contenders to claim any of these players?

If not, the Twins are in a prime position to claim pretty much whoever they want due to their record. Only the Reds have a worse record of all current contenders.

[KirbyDome89]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I'm not a fan of waiver dumps like this. Anaheim is that idiot in your fantasy league that doesn't set lineups, gets eliminated early, and then unloads their roster because why not.

Teams have an entire offseason, plus 4 months during the regular season, to pay for talent. They shouldn't be scooping it up in late August for peanuts. 

[Alex Wilde]

7 minutes ago, Minny505 said:

This really isn't necessary. It's highly likely only playoff contenders will be claiming any of these players. Because of the Twins's record, the team will be one of the highest priority teams on the list, possibly the second highest after the Reds.

With that level of priority, the Twins should be able to get almost anyone they want from the wire.

D-Backs, Reds, Marlins, and Red Sox are all behind them in the standings. Padres and Yankees can claim guys so that their division rivals come up empty. There are plenty of teams ahead of the Twins and the best players will most likely be gone at their position. So if you only take 2-3 shots, the chances of those guys falling to them are slim to none.

[nicksaviking]

The Twins and Reds need to collude on this. Surely neither team feels comfortable claiming everyone as there's salary concerns and even bigger roster concerns. But they aren't competing with each other for playoff spots, so they should easily be able to collaborate to find out what the other team wants. The Twins getting players would block the NL teams the Reds are chasing from getting them, and the Reds getting players would block AL teams from getting players.

The rest of the league would be upset, which is just fine with me.

[JesusisLord7]

The obvious would be to replace Luplow. There are two right handed hitting outfielders that would be an upgrade from Luplow. Renfoe or Grichuk. I think Matt Moore makes a lot of sense. Funderburk looked good but he has two innings of mlb experience. Lastly, Giolito is not pitching great but if Pete Maki could get him right that could be a legitimate 3rd starter. You could send down Cole Sands or Josh Winder and maybe move Maeda to the bullpen. I'd be aggressive if I were the Twins. There are a whole bunch of good players there and we don't have to give any prospects. I'd call this a gift from God. Of playoffs teams the Twins are in the 1st claim spot. 

[Minny505]

2 minutes ago, Alex Wilde said:

D-Backs, Reds, Marlins, and Red Sox are all behind them in the standings. Padres and Yankees can claim guys so that their division rivals come up empty. There are plenty of teams ahead of the Twins and the best players will most likely be gone at their position. So if you only take 2-3 shots, the chances of those guys falling to them are slim to none.

Red Sox and Dbacks are tied with the Twins. I'm not sure how that would work, but wins & losses today might break that anyway.

Marlins are out of it.

That leaves the Reds as the lone team that is ahead of the Twins as of right now.

And this isn't fantasy baseball. No team is putting in a claim just to spite those teams in contention. I would be shocked, absolutely flabbergasted, if any non-contending team (other than the Marlins) claimed any of the players that come with an expiring contract. 

[Mike Sixel]

15 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I'm not a fan of waiver dumps like this. Anaheim is that idiot in your fantasy league that doesn't set lineups, gets eliminated early, and then unloads their roster because why not.

Teams have an entire offseason, plus 4 months during the regular season, to pay for talent. They shouldn't be scooping it up in late August for peanuts. 

It's the rules. I don't get how playing by the rules is wrong/bad/evil somehow. 

Why should LAA keep those guys? It is the 100% right move by them. 

[Mike Sixel]

15 minutes ago, Alex Wilde said:

D-Backs, Reds, Marlins, and Red Sox are all behind them in the standings. Padres and Yankees can claim guys so that their division rivals come up empty. There are plenty of teams ahead of the Twins and the best players will most likely be gone at their position. So if you only take 2-3 shots, the chances of those guys falling to them are slim to none.

Why would the Yankees waste money and lose a 40 man spot just to spite someone? That's silly.

[nicksaviking]

3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Why would the Yankees waste money and lose a 40 man spot just to spite someone? That's silly.

If anything, the teams out of contention want teams above them in the standings to improve just to hang on to the better draft position.

[rv78]

Where is the upside to claiming any of the 3 outfielders mentioned? Renfro is a copycat to what the Twins have already, a power guy that strikes out too much, He's hitting .237 and has an OBP of .300. Grichuk is actually worse than Gallo and Bader is no better than Taylor. I'm not impressed with any of them and fail to see why any of these guys are worth spending additional payroll on. 

As for the pitchers, Moore might be worthy of taking a flyer on him. His last 2 seasons he's been decent. I do not see a Reynaldo Rodriguez listed on the Angels roster. If you mean Reynaldo Lopez, I'd probably stay away from him as his career stats suggest he could be another Jorge Lopez since he really only had 1 good season in his entire career, 2022. I'd prefer NOT to go down that road again. I'm guessing, the Twins FO will stand pat with what they have and at this point I'm ok with that as well. I'd rather see them add to the team by subtraction, meaning getting rid of the crap players they have that are making this team worse than it could be, not better.

[Alex Wilde]

16 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Why would the Yankees waste money and lose a 40 man spot just to spite someone? That's silly.

You really wouldn't put that past the Yankees...claiming someone so that the Red Sox do not get them? When has money EVER been a problem with the Yankees? If you were them, why wouldn't you give up a couple of million dollars so your lifelong division rival doesn't get the RP they want for their possible postseason run?

[Alex Wilde]

26 minutes ago, Minny505 said:

Red Sox and Dbacks are tied with the Twins. I'm not sure how that would work, but wins & losses today might break that anyway.

Marlins are out of it.

That leaves the Reds as the lone team that is ahead of the Twins as of right now.

And this isn't fantasy baseball. No team is putting in a claim just to spite those teams in contention. I would be shocked, absolutely flabbergasted, if any non-contending team (other than the Marlins) claimed any of the players that come with an expiring contract. 

As if the Yankees wouldn't do this? (Side note, they already have done it in the past.) The Padres have wildly underperformed their expectations so why wouldn't Preller claim some guys as a last-ditch effort? Obviously, money isn't a concern for either of these teams.

[nicksaviking]

2 minutes ago, Alex Wilde said:

You really wouldn't put that past the Yankees...claiming someone so that the Red Sox do not get them? When has money EVER been a problem with the Yankees? If you were them, why wouldn't you give up a couple of million dollars so your lifelong division rival doesn't get the RP they want for their possible postseason run?

I really don't think Cashman currently has the job security to throw the owner's money down the toilet purely out of spite.

[Alex Wilde]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

I really don't think Cashman currently has the job security to throw the owner's money down the toilet purely out of spite.

Well what is that money to the owner 1, and 2, why wouldn't you as an owner want that for your rival anyways? If the Twins had the chance to do this to the White Sox, who on this website wouldn't be clamoring for them to spite the fricken White Sox?

[Mike Sixel]

7 minutes ago, Alex Wilde said:

You really wouldn't put that past the Yankees...claiming someone so that the Red Sox do not get them? When has money EVER been a problem with the Yankees? If you were them, why wouldn't you give up a couple of million dollars so your lifelong division rival doesn't get the RP they want for their possible postseason run?

Because it is a waste of money and I run a business? It would be stupid. 

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, Alex Wilde said:

Well what is that money to the owner 1, and 2, why wouldn't you as an owner want that for your rival anyways? If the Twins had the chance to do this to the White Sox, who on this website wouldn't be clamoring for them to spite the fricken White Sox?

Me! Why give up a 40 man spot to spite another team? That's just childish.

[nicksaviking]

Just now, Alex Wilde said:

Well what is that money to the owner 1, and 2, why wouldn't you as an owner want that for your rival anyways? If the Twins had the chance to do this to the White Sox, who on this website wouldn't be clamoring for them to spite the fricken White Sox?

Uh me? If the Twins are out of the playoff hunt, I'd rather them audition the young guys and angle for draft position. Fans are way more petty about rivalries than the teams are.

Some fans apparently, not most fans.

[Alex Wilde]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

Me! Why give up a 40 man spot to spite another team? That's just childish.

Ever heard of the 60-day IL?

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, Alex Wilde said:

Ever heard of the 60-day IL?

seriously? 

[Baumer67]

Their bullpen proved today that they need help, there was no reason to pull Gray after 7 innings and 81 pitches.

[LA Vikes Fan]

If I understand the rules right, the real issue is priority. Once you have been awarded a player, that team then goes to the back of the line the next players. So, for example, the Twins claimed one of the relievers, it will go to the back of the line and be very unlikely to get any of the other relievers or position players. So the key is the order of the claims because you're unlikely to get more than one of these players.

For me, the order is relatively simple. Matt Moore is the best player of the group and it is not even close. He being a reliever also corresponds with the biggest need. Moore is first, and Reynaldo Lopez is second but a maybe. He has not been consistently good but we desperately need relief pitching. I wouldn't have anything to do with Cisneros. He is not good. If we get shut out on the relievers, I would rather have Harrison Bader than any of the other hitters. Hunter Renfroe is okay but a classic empty calories guy who doesn't run well, doesn't field that well, and doesn't hit in the clutch. Grichuk was pretty good in Colorado, but has been worse than awful since he left the thin air and played at sea level with the Angels. Unlikely to be helpful. Bader cannot hit right-handed pitching to save his life but is a 1.137 OPS guy against lefties this season. He can also run and field.

So for me, It's simple. Under the rules, we are unlikely to get more than one of these players unless somebody is not interesting to any other team. The order is Moore, Lopez,  Bader, and then Renfroe. Matt Moore is the guy we really want.

[David Barrett]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye Bean Counter said:

They should make 3-4 claims. 

1.Grichuk or Renfrow or Bader for Luplow.  However, whoever you pick you better make sure you get the claim.  

2. The 3 relievers, you make claims on all 3 realizing you will likely only get 1, 2 or never having a chance at any of them.  The issue is the same philosophy should be taken by the marlins unless they are willing to throw in the towel.   

Unless things break for the Twins I only see 1 player added possibly 2.   

I am not a big "let's see how Buxton does" person.  He is a wonderful person who is not any longer an asset to the team.  It is time to get great assets for the offense.  I am also big on intangible Fits the Team Chemistry with skills.  This is a good chemistry bunch and nothing should detract from that.  Someone with some research skills tell us who is skilled and fits well.

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

36 minutes ago, David Barrett said:

I am not a big "let's see how Buxton does" person.  He is a wonderful person who is not any longer an asset to the team.  It is time to get great assets for the offense.  I am also big on intangible Fits the Team Chemistry with skills.  This is a good chemistry bunch and nothing should detract from that.  Someone with some research skills tell us who is skilled and fits well.

 

Welcome to TD!

[DJL44]

40 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

If I understand the rules right,

You don't understand the rules. The team with the worst record always has priority.