Duffey Recalled

[Mill1634]

And Jake Cave is being sent back down to AAA, per twitter and the lineup card.

 

I think Duffey has a decent chance to stick around. Will be real interesting to see what happens with Sano's return now. I thought Cave would be the one on the way out for that move. Now I think it is Ehire, Hildy, or Morin. 

 

 

[MNT1996]

I'm guessing they'll see who is more reliable this week between Duffey and Hildenberg. The less reliable one will get sent down when Sano comes back.

[Mr. Brooks]

With the job Wes Johnson has done, pre-Wes results are almost meaningless to me.

Duffey gets a clean slate for me, let's see what his after-Johnson career looks like.

[mrtwinsfan]

Hildenberger has option left, Good time to use it

[DocBauer]

Biggest problem with Duffey, IMHO, is lack of consistency with his curve. And it's bread and butter. Johnson preaches a consistent, repeatable delivery. Sure seems like Duffey had added velocity to his FB. Can he maintain that?

[Danchat]

Alright... now that we've got the Wiz Wes here, I guess we can give Duffey another shot. Let's see if a little more MPH can fix him. It seems to me like his curveball is either totally lethal, or completely ineffective at times.

[Linus]

Yep so we get to see Duffy for the 17th time and this one is the charm?

[akmanak]

Duffy is a waste of space. How many chances does he get? Well it is just like a trade so I am sure this will stop their current slide. (Said no one)

[Doomtints]

Duffey is a waste of time.

[USAFChief]

The headline is correct. I remember him.

[markos]

I'm very interested to see if Duffey can sustain the 95-96 fastball he displayed last Saturday. That's a potential game changer for him.

[ashbury]

The headline is correct. I remember him.

My thinking is that this news based on the headline can only go well:

 

[scottz]

 

Duffey is a waste of time.

He's on the 40 man, he goes through stretches where he is successful, and he has options. Just because he - or anyone else - is not Mariano Rivera doesn't mean he is a waste of time.

 

Go look at the 40 man and see who should be up here, under the assumption that they wanted to go to 13 pitchers for reasons we don't fully know. But work from that assumption. Also, consider injuries. Also, take a look at recent performances. Considering all of that (and anything else you want to consider), who should be there instead?

 

One thing I really like about this front office is that they seem to be making good use of the 40 man and players with options. No team has 40 superstars on their 40 man. You have to make good use of the resources you have, and Duffey is a resource.

[spanman2]

If they can get Duffey rolling that would be HUGE!!!  Like a really big deal if he can hit 96 on the fastball with movement.  A very very important piece to the bullpen puzzle.  

[SomeGuy]

The pieces are falling into place for the bullpen. As a group they rank 8th in WAR, 13th in ERA, and 10th in FIP.  This is a borderline top 10 bullpen. Hopefully Duffey will stick around in that elusive last spot. With just one addition in July this could be a great bullpen.

 

We are also 5th overall in runs allowed per game (4.00) including starters and 7th in runs scored per game (5.25).

[Doomtints]

 

He's on the 40 man, he goes through stretches where he is successful, and he has options. Just because he - or anyone else - is not Mariano Rivera doesn't mean he is a waste of time.

 

Go look at the 40 man and see who should be up here, under the assumption that they wanted to go to 13 pitchers for reasons we don't fully know. But work from that assumption. Also, consider injuries. Also, take a look at recent performances. Considering all of that (and anything else you want to consider), who should be there instead?

 

One thing I really like about this front office is that they seem to be making good use of the 40 man and players with options. No team has 40 superstars on their 40 man. You have to make good use of the resources you have, and Duffey is a resource.

 

They can spend the time developing someone else, someone who has a future with the team.

 

"Because he's there" isn't a great tactic. Duffey's bad days in the majors could be someone else's learning time.

[Mike Sixel]

 

He's on the 40 man, he goes through stretches where he is successful, and he has options. Just because he - or anyone else - is not Mariano Rivera doesn't mean he is a waste of time.

 

Go look at the 40 man and see who should be up here, under the assumption that they wanted to go to 13 pitchers for reasons we don't fully know. But work from that assumption. Also, consider injuries. Also, take a look at recent performances. Considering all of that (and anything else you want to consider), who should be there instead?

 

One thing I really like about this front office is that they seem to be making good use of the 40 man and players with options. No team has 40 superstars on their 40 man. You have to make good use of the resources you have, and Duffey is a resource.

 

Nice straw man. No one is asking he be the best closer ever to be on the roster.

[jimbo92107]

 

With the job Wes Johnson has done, pre-Wes results are almost meaningless to me.
Duffey gets a clean slate for me, let's see what his after-Johnson career looks like.

Agree completely. Tyler Duffey with *command* of a 95mph heater becomes a new pitcher, just like Martin Perez. If Duffey had that pitch a couple years ago, he'd still be in the starting rotation. 

[scottz]

 

Nice straw man. No one is asking he be the best closer ever to be on the roster.

Pick a guy then, Mike. Pick a player it is acceptable to compare someone to when they are good enough to be on the 40 man, but not to be an automatic lock for the 25 man throughout the season. Compare him to that guy, and tell me why that guy is a waste of time when he has options to be used exactly in the manner in which he is being used.

[scottz]

 

They can spend the time developing someone else, someone who has a future with the team.

 

"Because he's there" isn't a great tactic. Duffey's bad days in the majors could be someone else's learning time.

I think it's a completely defensible tactic, especially when it's quite possible that someone else could easily have just as many (or more) bad days in the majors (or else they would have chosen those options, wouldn't they?). They don't want to potentially lose a resource (Duffey) by removing him from the 40 man and exposing him to other teams. They obviously don't feel that youth - like Romero - is a better option or they would use him instead. Same with Vazquez.

 

I really don't think using someone who is in Duffey's situation is a bad call up. And he might even be an asset. Let's see if he can build on the 6.1 innings he has thrown so far for the big league club in 2019.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Pick a guy then, Mike. Pick a player it is acceptable to compare someone to when they are good enough to be on the 40 man, but not to be an automatic lock for the 25 man throughout the season. Compare him to that guy, and tell me why that guy is a waste of time when he has options to be used exactly in the manner in which he is being used.

 

You picked the comparison, not me. 

 

I wouldn't cut him, he has options. But that wasn't what you typed.

 

But, if I was going to call someone up, it would be him. But he would have a short leash, and if it doesn't work, then Romero, who should have a longer leash. Then whatever guy they feel is next up.

 

I have big doubts about Duffey, but sure, one more chance? I guess. 

[markos]

 

They can spend the time developing someone else, someone who has a future with the team.

 

"Because he's there" isn't a great tactic. Duffey's bad days in the majors could be someone else's learning time.

I get what you are saying, but the counter argument is that it is SO HARD to know when to pull the plug on a pitcher, particularly a relief pitcher. Especially when there is a new pitching coach that has me legitimately excited about what he can accomplish with someone like Duffey. 

 

I don't know if you watched the end of Saturday's game, but Duffey got me to sit up and pay attention even though it was 8-3. I mean, he was throwing 95+ and beating hitters with his fastball on the top of the zone. Watch this:

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=7174682e-5569-465b-be97-943a0821badb

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=3af571bf-23a6-4cab-a992-7c1f16d4c456

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=b8f3f301-350e-4e25-9a64-db81cfc93fde

 

And he still has the curve and fooling batters with it:

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=19dc1ab5-39c5-4f5f-8985-9ed0879ee812

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=721f3b89-eefe-47a0-a1bc-04f8d97e5a2c

 

It is obviously a small sample size, and the outing was against Detroit. But Duffey has almost doubled the rate he is getting swinging strikes with his fastball compared to last season (and currently second on the team). I wouldn't say that there is fire here yet, but something is smoldering.

[rdehring]

Duff pitched like I didn't expect last time out.  Hopefully, he can be a pleasant surprise and big help to a bullpen that needs help.  I also hope they don't send him back down the instant he has a hiccup.

[jimbo92107]

 

Alright... now that we've got the Wiz Wes here, I guess we can give Duffey another shot. Let's see if a little more MPH can fix him. It seems to me like his curveball is either totally lethal, or completely ineffective at times.

That's the point of the amped up heater: Imagine a universe where Tyler Duffey doesn't have to lean so heavily on throwing curve after curve. Suddenly the fastball is the cake, and the curve is just the frosting. That's a whole different recipe, homie.... ;-)

[nicksaviking]

 

Why not Duffy? Who else is there? Yeah, Duffy was good in 2015 as a starter, stunk in 2016, was mediocre in 2017, stunk in 2018. Not a great track record. Understand the skepticism.

 

 

I'm willing to see if Duffey's increased heat can pay dividends, but since you're asking, I want the team to go down to AA and get Cody Stashak, who probably should have been put in AAA to start the year but isn't because of all the journeymen vets Rochester is carrying in the bullpen.

[yarnivek1972]

Why not Duffy? Who else is there? Yeah, Duffy was good in 2015 as a starter, stunk in 2016, was mediocre in 2017, stunk in 2018. Not a great track record. Understand the skepticism.

 

Buuuut... he's been good in his 6 MLB innings in 2019, and dominant in 13 AAA innings this year. The only other 2 AAA pitchers with comparable stats this year? McGill and Morin, both of whom are now in the Twins bullpen. Eades, Baxendale, Reed, Guilmet, all lousy in AAA. As I always say, performance matters. Duffy has performed. The rest of those guys, not so much.

 

Sets up a mano a mano battle for a roster spot over the next 2 weeks between Duffy, Hildenberger, Adrianza, Astudillo, Morin and McGill. Probably really between the first 3 on that list. One goes to make room for Sano, sometime after 5/20. My money's on Hildenberger or Duffy going down if the starters keep pitching well. If not? I hate to say it but I bet the FO keeps Adrianza to be the backup SS/2B and Astudillo sees more AAA time.

 

Reed has had two horrendous outings in a row. Prior to that, and pretty much all of last year, he was very good in AAA. So, ask yourself if you think the real Jake Reed is the guy who through April had ammassed roughly 100 IP at AAA with an ERA a hair over 2 and a 1.2 WHIP with a K per 9 of about 9 or the guy that in 4 innings in May has an ERA over 17.

[scottz]

 

You picked the comparison, not me. 

 

I wouldn't cut him, he has options. But that wasn't what you typed.

 

But, if I was going to call someone up, it would be him. But he would have a short leash, and if it doesn't work, then Romero, who should have a longer leash. Then whatever guy they feel is next up.

 

I have big doubts about Duffey, but sure, one more chance? I guess. 

I'll be sure to work on my logical fallacies. Other than that, what you're saying here is pretty equivalent to what I said.

[USAFChief]

You could see the fear in Duffey's eyes tonight. That's why he'll never be a good MLB reliever, IMO. The stage gets to big for him sometimes.

[Rosterman]

Tyler Duffy. Why not?

 

Mejia, what WILL happen to him. Perez is the lefty in the rotation this year and next. Is it bye-bye or does he become a minor league guy.

 

Yes, when Sano returns, do you send out Hildenberger? You have to keep Willians now if Garver is down. What happens when Addison Reed returns? Do we need to see Moya up and throwing the the pen>

 

The Twins bullpen...who would've thunk!?!

[yarnivek1972]

Tyler Duffy. Why not?

 

Mejia, what WILL happen to him. Perez is the lefty in the rotation this year and next. Is it bye-bye or does he become a minor league guy.

 

Yes, when Sano returns, do you send out Hildenberger? You have to keep Willians now if Garver is down. What happens when Addison Reed returns? Do we need to see Moya up and throwing the the pen>

 

The Twins bullpen...who would've thunk!?!

There is no way the Twins are going to activate Addison Reed the way he is throwing.