Who else gets traded?

[diehardtwinsfan]

It seems clear (to me at least) that F and L are a bit more decisive when it comes to key decision making. The trade of Garcia made that clear. More importantly, we saw the Twins do something that they have never previously done (essentially using money as a way to acquire prospects). So the real question is about who is still with this team on Tuesday.

 

I'm guessing Kintzler will be traded. That one is easy as he's doing quite well and won't be around in 2018. 

 

Santana is a bit harder to figure. He could be useful next year, so keeping him around makes sense, but given the demand for pitching, the loser in the Gray sweepstakes might be willing to part with something nice. I'm guessing he goes.

 

I think that's it, but Dozier and Grossman could be candidates.

 

[Mill1634]

I could see Matt being traded as well. He has picked it up as of late. FO listens to offers on Rosario, Grossman, and Escobar as well. Personally, I would like to see them move Rogers too. He is a LOOGY that is playing way over his head right now. Sell while his value is high.

[Danchat]

Aaron Gleeman was reporting that Kintzler was as good as gone and Santana and Dozier's futures are unsure. My guess is Kintzler will be gone tomorrow, Belisle will be scooped up in August, and Santana & Dozier stay put. Maybe a wild card like Grossman or Escobar get traded too.

[Blake]

 

Aaron Gleeman was reporting that Kintzler was as good as gone and Santana and Dozier's futures are unsure. My guess is Kintzler will be gone tomorrow, Belisle will be scooped up in August, and Santana & Dozier stay put. Maybe a wild card like Grossman or Escobar get traded too.

I think the only reason Grossman is still with the team is due to Vargas and Park not getting the job done.

 

Grossman has his shortcoming but the ability to take quality at-bats isn't one of them.

[GP830]

I could see these two new guys being included in a package to bring higher quality on the trade market.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I could see these two new guys being included in a package to bring higher quality on the trade market.

Doubtful. These two, while perhaps useful, are not the types of prospects that bring much value to a bigger deal.

[GP830]

Doubtful. These two, while perhaps useful, are not the types of prospects that bring much value to a bigger deal.

Not even as part of a package?

[drjim]

 

Aaron Gleeman was reporting that Kintzler was as good as gone and Santana and Dozier's futures are unsure. My guess is Kintzler will be gone tomorrow, Belisle will be scooped up in August, and Santana & Dozier stay put. Maybe a wild card like Grossman or Escobar get traded too.

 

Exactly my thought. Kintzler is only other one gone by tomorrow, but wouldn't be stunned by a wildcard like Escobar or Grossman. I imagine Belisle and Giminez go in August. Don't think Santana or Dozier get moved.

[nicksaviking]

I think the only reason Grossman is still with the team is due to Vargas and Park not getting the job done.

 

Grossman has his shortcoming but the ability to take quality at-bats isn't one of them.

If Kintzler goes to an AL team, it might be nice to package him with one of those DHs you mentioned. Their years of control could help offset Kintzler's rental status a bit.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Not even as part of a package?

No. I mean, in theory, sure they could package Gordon, Gonsalves, and Littell tomorrow, but this trade doesn't make that hypothetical one any more likely. And there is zero indication they are shopping their top prospects.

[caninatl04]

Bit of a road block for middle infielders (including 3B) at the majors, AAA and AA.Escobar, Adrianza, Polanco with many top prospects also playing these positions. I could see one or more of these traded.

[HitInAPinch]

I certainly don't thing Falvey and Levine are done.  They've had their time evaluating the system.

 

Kennys Vargas:  Gone.  He has a spurt every time he's called up,  then falters.  His lack of defense is another problem.  In the past, I've said that he plays well for a big guy.  I don't believe new management will be deterred by that.  Same for Park.

 

Ervin Santana: Gone.  New management's statement earlier about the 'unfortunate reality' makes any case for Santana null and void.  There's always some team looking to fill a spot in the rotation. Santana's that guy.

 

Eddie Rosario:  Maybe Gone.  He's still only 25 and looks like he's turning things around.  New management may see that as a reason to both keep him or trade him.

 

Byron Buxton.  Maybe Gone.  Yep, I said it.  I don't believe in sacred cows.  Zack Granite has played well as Buxton replacement,  just not the flash.  He is, however, hitting .286.  Granite, er granted, it's a small sample size.  I'm interested in 2 things:  1.  what does new management really think of Buxton.  More importantly, 2. what do other teams think of Buxton.

[nytwinsfan]

 

I certainly don't thing Falvey and Levine are done.  They've had their time evaluating the system.

 

Kennys Vargas:  Gone.  He has a spurt every time he's called up,  then falters.  His lack of defense is another problem.  In the past, I've said that he plays well for a big guy.  I don't believe new management will be deterred by that.  Same for Park.

 

Ervin Santana: Gone.  New management's statement earlier about the 'unfortunate reality' makes any case for Santana null and void.  There's always some team looking to fill a spot in the rotation. Santana's that guy.

 

Eddie Rosario:  Maybe Gone.  He's still only 25 and looks like he's turning things around.  New management may see that as a reason to both keep him or trade him.

 

Byron Buxton.  Maybe Gone.  Yep, I said it.  I don't believe in sacred cows.  Zack Granite has played well as Buxton replacement,  just not the flash.  He is, however, hitting .286.  Granite, er granted, it's a small sample size.  I'm interested in 2 things:  1.  what does new management really think of Buxton.  More importantly, 2. what do other teams think of Buxton.

 

If Buxton is traded I'll take a swim in the East River, which is just a few blocks from my apartment (I am NYTwinsFan after all). 

 

[SF Twins Fan]

 

Just posted this in another thread but could the Twins have a new trade partner?  Any specific prospects from Arizona that people like?

[gman]

I don't see Vargas on the Twins 40 man this winter but could see a trade for a low level lotto player. I Think Santana and Kinsler are mostly traded with some back and forth still going with the loser of the Grey sweepsteaks. Escobar or Dozier could be traded but not both.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

 

Just posted this in another thread but could the Twins have a new trade partner?  Any specific prospects from Arizona that people like?

 

Here's their list on minor league ball with a mid-season update.  I'm not sure on top 100 lists, but with their prospects only being a B, they are at best in the bottom part of that list.

 

That said, I guy like Taylor Clarke would definitely interest me if they were to dangle that name. Would probably want more than that for Dozier, but I'd accept him as a centerpiece. I'm guessing Banda is off the table as he just got promoted.

[70charger]

Chris Owings is often a shortstop, so not necessarily a perfect match for Dozier. Is Escobar someone they might be interested in if they want someone more versatile and probably less expensive?

 

Rumor mill is already starting on the Tigers SS going to Arizona.

[Obsvr]

 

I certainly don't thing Falvey and Levine are done.  They've had their time evaluating the system.

 

Kennys Vargas:  Gone.  He has a spurt every time he's called up,  then falters.  His lack of defense is another problem.  In the past, I've said that he plays well for a big guy.  I don't believe new management will be deterred by that.  Same for Park.

 

Ervin Santana: Gone.  New management's statement earlier about the 'unfortunate reality' makes any case for Santana null and void.  There's always some team looking to fill a spot in the rotation. Santana's that guy.

 

Eddie Rosario:  Maybe Gone.  He's still only 25 and looks like he's turning things around.  New management may see that as a reason to both keep him or trade him.

 

Byron Buxton.  Maybe Gone.  Yep, I said it.  I don't believe in sacred cows.  Zack Granite has played well as Buxton replacement,  just not the flash.  He is, however, hitting .286.  Granite, er granted, it's a small sample size.  I'm interested in 2 things:  1.  what does new management really think of Buxton.  More importantly, 2. what do other teams think of Buxton.

 

Vargas: Wont be gone because none of the contending teams needs or wants him.

 

Santana: Could and hopefully will go.  Whoever loses out on Gray could get him

 

Rosario: Not going anywhere.  Still has upside but there are better options out there for contending teams.

 

Buxton:  Also not going anywhere.  Even if they did want to trade him (they don't) no contending team is going to trade for a work in progress that is hitting .200, no matter how much upside he has.

 

 

[Kwak]

 

I certainly don't thing Falvey and Levine are done.  They've had their time evaluating the system.

 

Kennys Vargas:  Gone.  He has a spurt every time he's called up,  then falters.  His lack of defense is another problem.  In the past, I've said that he plays well for a big guy.  I don't believe new management will be deterred by that.  Same for Park.

 

Ervin Santana: Gone.  New management's statement earlier about the 'unfortunate reality' makes any case for Santana null and void.  There's always some team looking to fill a spot in the rotation. Santana's that guy.

 

Eddie Rosario:  Maybe Gone.  He's still only 25 and looks like he's turning things around.  New management may see that as a reason to both keep him or trade him.

 

Byron Buxton.  Maybe Gone.  Yep, I said it.  I don't believe in sacred cows.  Zack Granite has played well as Buxton replacement,  just not the flash.  He is, however, hitting .286.  Granite, er granted, it's a small sample size.  I'm interested in 2 things:  1.  what does new management really think of Buxton.  More importantly, 2. what do other teams think of Buxton.

The purpose of drafting Buxton was that he would be a perpetual all-star, 5-tool player.  The reality is he is either a 4th OF of the defensive guy between two slow-footed, but big hitting corner OFers.  His performance doesn't really fit with the OF the Twins have.  Buxton might be very highly valued by someone else who would send some very good prospects--say 2 pitchers and a catcher--that the Twins vitally need.  Clearly ~.200 hitting CF with only a few HRs isn't what the Twins need in CF.

This would be an off-season trade.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Vargas: Wont be gone because none of the contending teams needs or wants him.

 

Santana: Could and hopefully will go.  Whoever loses out on Gray could get him

 

Rosario: Not going anywhere.  Still has upside but there are better options out there for contending teams.

 

Buxton:  Also not going anywhere.  Even if they did want to trade him (they don't) no contending team is going to trade for a work in progress that is hitting .200, no matter how much upside he has.

 

I could potentially see Rosario going if someone had blocked MLB ready pitching with upside that they were willing to trade. That is a case where I'd happy trade Rosario, but other than that, I think trading Rosario now will be a big mistake. There would be a pretty significant drop off for his replacement in the short term as well as in 2018.

[diehardtwinsfan]

It is way too early to give up on Buxton. 

[nicksaviking]

 

Just posted this in another thread but could the Twins have a new trade partner?  Any specific prospects from Arizona that people like?

I'd trade multiple guys for Archie Bradley who doesn't have a rotation spot. I'd toss in Kintzler to help fill the bullpen hole he would cause.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I'd trade multiple guys for Archie Bradley who doesn't have a rotation spot. I'd toss in Kintzler to help fill the bullpen hole he would cause.

 

As would most of us, but Bradley is doing quite well for them this year in the pen which hurts them now. I cannot imagine that is where he ends up, nor can imagine they would move him, but yeah, that would make me listen as well.

[Bill Brown69]

 

I certainly don't thing Falvey and Levine are done.  They've had their time evaluating the system.

 

Kennys Vargas:  Gone.  He has a spurt every time he's called up,  then falters.  His lack of defense is another problem.  In the past, I've said that he plays well for a big guy.  I don't believe new management will be deterred by that.  Same for Park.

 

Ervin Santana: Gone.  New management's statement earlier about the 'unfortunate reality' makes any case for Santana null and void.  There's always some team looking to fill a spot in the rotation. Santana's that guy.

 

Eddie Rosario:  Maybe Gone.  He's still only 25 and looks like he's turning things around.  New management may see that as a reason to both keep him or trade him.

 

Byron Buxton.  Maybe Gone.  Yep, I said it.  I don't believe in sacred cows.  Zack Granite has played well as Buxton replacement,  just not the flash.  He is, however, hitting .286.  Granite, er granted, it's a small sample size.  I'm interested in 2 things:  1.  what does new management really think of Buxton.  More importantly, 2. what do other teams think of Buxton.

NOBODY that is contending at the deadline wants to saddle themselves on having to rely on anybody but Santana to win themselves a playoff game!

 

How about we all take a step back and realize that trades can happen anytime for 9 months of every year and not only at the deadline. In Nov-Feb EVERY team is in play, not just those in contention.

 

OUR thought of years of control/cost effectiveness is actually a detriment to some other teams who are "going for it" with the idea of a fire sale if it doesn't work.

[Riverbrian]

Kintzler: I see absolutely no reason that he shouldn't be traded. Even if you don't get a decent offer. You'd still take the best offer and if you want him back next year... Sign him to a FA Contract. 

 

Santana: Levine has been talking like he is on the table. I would still be somewhat surprised if he was dealt because... I think the door is open in the AL Central next year and having Santana and Berrios plus someone else puts the Twins in Good position and and... If Santana is traded... assuming that Santiago is gone and assuming that Gibson may not be offered Arb. We will have bring in 3 new pitchers just to fill out the rotation. 3 is hard... 2 is more doable...  If we keep Santana. I don't see him getting traded unless blown away with an offer. 

 

Dozier: I always thought it would take an injury to a contending team's 2B to find a market for him. There really isn't a contending team that needs him. Maybe the Rays... Maybe the D-Backs. I believe he stays. Besides... we need his power. The Central title is reachable next year. 

 

Vargas: The question isn't if he will be traded... It's will the Twins keep him when he is out of options. I'd keep him because I still believe in him. I really want him to grab the DH job because we could use a guy with 40 home run potential to hit behind and protect Sano. However the clock is ticking and he is running out of time. 

 

Outfielder: I believe one is going to be traded. I'm looking at the extended look of Granite and the unnecessary time being spent by Buxton in AAA so they can give Granite an extended look and using that twisted logic. I think Buxton will be called up when room is made for him via trade. I assume Rosario. I don't believe Buxton or Kepler are on any table or close to any table and I don't think Grossman will bring enough to make a trade worth it. 

 

Middle Infielder: Maybe... We have an extra SS or two and others coming from behind. I wouldn't be shocked. Perhaps Rosario and someone could be packaged for a decent starter. 

 

[Mr. Brooks]

The purpose of drafting Buxton was that he would be a perpetual all-star, 5-tool player. The reality is he is either a 4th OF of the defensive guy between two slow-footed, but big hitting corner OFers. His performance doesn't really fit with the OF the Twins have. Buxton might be very highly valued by someone else who would send some very good prospects--say 2 pitchers and a catcher--that the Twins vitally need. Clearly ~.200 hitting CF with only a few HRs isn't what the Twins need in CF.

This would be an off-season trade.

Or, maybe Buxton is only 23 years old and can still improve.

[alarp33]

Trading a 23 year old with 5(?) years of team control, who owns a 2.1 bWAR through mid-July would certainly be a revolutionary way of rebuilding.  

[Rosterman]

I would be looking at also packaging some 40-man disappointments with a Kintzler or a Santana if possible.

 

I would hate to see Polanco go, but I do think the Twins have suitable replacements for the guy.

 

Vargas could be an add on. We are paying Park outrageous money and have to bring him up at some point to see his value.

 

You might as well package Tonkin or Wimmers if you can, free up some spot at AAA.

 

But also looking at names that other teams would have to protect and 40-man spots can be precious right now. I guess would rather have as a throw-in someone not in need of 40-man protection for at least a year, or someone not out of options.

 

Be interesting to see who might get claimed in August. Salary relief (Santiago) or roster space for Granite (Grossman).

 

And to the person above the mentioned trading Buxton...we need a further centerfielder to come back to haunt us. Span, Revere, Gomez, Hicks all still solidly playing elsewhere. I think Buxton is worth a longer look, a much longer look...and at the top of the order, Mr. Molitor. Let's figure out a line-up for the rest of the season and try it!

 

Yes I'm talking about finding teams that have open 40-man spots for Twins garbage. So, probablyot

[big dog]

After one of the worst weeks of non-playoff Twins baseball I can remember, I say trade as many guys over, say, age 27 as possible.  What a disaster.  Jaime Garcia is the luckiest guy in baseball right now.  

[Winston Smith]

Why aren't the Twins in on the Gray market? He has 2 more years of control and we will need pitching the next 2 years.