Twins DFA Byungho Park

[Squirrel]

When do we find out if Park made it through waivers? I thought the window to claim a guy was only a few days?

Have the Twins officially put him on waivers yet? According to the link Ash posted the Twins have up to 7 days to do that, and teams have 3 days. Did I read that correctly? If so, did they also put him on waivers at the time of the DFA? These rules and terminology confuse me!

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Have the Twins officially put him on waivers yet? According to the link Ash posted the Twins have up to 7 days to do that, and teams have 3 days. Did I read that correctly? If so, did they also put him on waivers at the time of the DFA? These rules and terminology confuse me!

You are correct. Designated For Assignment means he is off the 40-man roster immediately, but they still have 10 days to actually "assign" him.  Since waivers takes 3 days, that means they have 7 days before they have to begin the waiver process if they want to go that route.  I suspect they talked about potential trades first, so the 3 day waiver clock likely hasn't started yet.

[pbrezeasap]

 

You are correct. Designated For Assignment means he is off the 40-man roster immediately, but they still have 10 days to actually "assign" him.  Since waivers takes 3 days, that means they have 7 days before they have to begin the waiver process if they want to go that route.  I suspect they talked about potential trades first, so the 3 day waiver clock likely hasn't started yet.

I wouldn't think there would be any reason to put him on waivers before the 7 days then, hopefully other teams sign free agents (Napoli/Carter/etc) giving them less 40-man flexibility and a likelier chance for Park to get through waivers. Do you know if the 10 days is calendar or business days?

[diehardtwinsfan]

Sometimes that process starts before the announcement is made. He may already have cleared waivers, or as noted, he may not have even hit it yet. There's definitely some gamesmanship about that whole process.

 

As for a trade, if he was traded, I wouldn't expect much.

[Willihammer]

Well, Carter and Napoli off the board. Maybe its a *bit* more likely Park is claimed. It would have to happen by Friday I believe.

[nicksaviking]

Carter went for 1 year 3.5M, that's about 1/3 of Park's contract.

[darin617]

 

You are correct. Designated For Assignment means he is off the 40-man roster immediately, but they still have 10 days to actually "assign" him.  Since waivers takes 3 days, that means they have 7 days before they have to begin the waiver process if they want to go that route.  I suspect they talked about potential trades first, so the 3 day waiver clock likely hasn't started yet.

 

So all this is making my head spin. When will be "officially" know if he has cleared waivers?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

So all this is making my head spin. When will be "officially" know if he has cleared waivers?

Since he was DFA'd on Feb. 3, the team will have to announce they are doing something with him on or before Feb. 13, I guess.

[Vanimal46]

Poor Park... He may get dumped the day before Valentine's Day

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Poor Park... He may get dumped the day before Valentine's Day

And it might be a little awkward to hang around to watch "The Bachelor" with his "exes."

[Doomtints]

The explanation of DFA rules was close.

 

The Twins will have 10 days to put him back on the roster, trade him, release him, or send him to the minors.

 

The Twins will have 7 days to waive him which would give other teams enough time to make a waiver claim before the 10 days are up.

 

Unless the Twins DFA'd him to pique trade interest, he was likely waived already so they can pass him to the minors.  

 

Seeing as the Twins clearly want to keep him, if another team claims him they will simply revoke the waivers which would force the Twins to keep him on the roster for now. I would be surprised if any team would force the team to do this during an offseason, so he will more than likely pass through waivers and go to the minors.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

The explanation of DFA rules was close.

 

The Twins will have 10 days to put him back on the roster, trade him, release him, or send him to the minors.

 

The Twins will have 7 days to waive him which would give other teams enough time to make a waiver claim before the 10 days are up.

 

Unless the Twins DFA'd him to pique trade interest, he was likely waived already so they can pass him to the minors.  

 

Seeing as the Twins clearly want to keep him, if another team claims him they will simply revoke the waivers which would force the Twins to keep him on the roster for now. I would be surprised if any team would force the team to do this during an offseason, so he will more than likely pass through waivers and go to the minors.

Outright assignment waivers are not revocable.  That's just trade waivers.

 

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/designate-for-assignment

 

 

When a player's contract is designated for assignment -- often abbreviated "DFA" -- that player is immediately removed from his club's 40-man roster. Within seven days of the transaction (had been 10 days under the 2012-16 Collective Bargaining Agreement), the player can either be traded or placed on irrevocable outright waivers.

 

Also, I am pretty sure there is a rule that you can't add a DFA'd player back to your 40-man if you've already filled his vacated spot.  Otherwise you could easily abuse it for temporary roster crunches.

 

Found a reference to it here:

 

http://www.thecubreporter.com/08042015/why-player-designated-assignment-and-then-optioned-minors

 

a player who has been Designated for Assignment can be returned to the club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) and optioned to the minors only if the Designated Player was not replaced on the club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) by another player after being Designated for Assignment.

 

It was only really applicable if a team needed to secure "optional assignment waivers" on a player before they could option them to the minors.  So they might DFA the player in-season just to replace them off the 25-man roster while they secured those "optional assignment waivers", but not replace them on the 40-man.

 

Those waivers were pretty obscure, though (Andrew Albers was an odd Twins example), and according to the Cub Reporter, it looks like they have been removed in the new CBA:

 

http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3525

[Doomtints]

 

Outright assignment waivers are not revocable.  That's just trade waivers.

 

Also, I am pretty sure there is a rule that you can't add a DFA'd player back to your 40-man if you've already filled his vacated spot.  Otherwise you could easily abuse it for temporary roster crunches.

 

Park was DFA'd, not outrighted. The outrighting will happen should he clear waivers, assuming he was waived. (He surely was, as if not they can only trade him or release him within the 10 days).

 

The rule about rescinding waivers states that you can only do it once for a player in a year.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Park was DFA'd, not outrighted. The outrighting will happen should he clear waivers, assuming he was waived. (He surely was, as if not they can only trade him or release him within the 10 days).

 

The rule about rescinding waivers states that you can only do it once for a player in a year.

You can't rescind a player from outright assignment waivers.

 

You can only pull a player back from trade assignment waivers, and they only exist from August until November.

 

http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3525

[Twins33]

Mike B just tweeted that Park is now on waivers.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Carter went for 1 year 3.5M, that's about 1/3 of Park's contract.

Yeah, that's a little over half what I was expecting.

 

It shows what the market thinks about DH bats right now.

 

If there's anyone out there desperate for a bat but (inexplicably) wouldn't give Carter $4.5m, I guess someone might pick up Park.

 

But I consider that unlikely after Carter's contract.

[nicksaviking]

 

Yeah, that's a little over half what I was expecting.

 

It shows what the market thinks about DH bats right now.

 

If there's anyone out there desperate for a bat but (inexplicably) wouldn't give Carter $4.5m, I guess someone might pick up Park.

 

But I consider that unlikely after Carter's contract.

 

With the Twins DFA'ing a DH in Park and now seeing his value apparently nowhere near what we initially thought, I'm wondering if those "rumors" connecting the Twins to Mike Napoli were actually the Twins just gauging the value for DHs; they perhaps never had any actual interest in him.

[Twins33]

With the Twins DFA'ing a DH in Park and now seeing his value apparently nowhere near what we initially thought, I'm wondering if those "rumors" connecting the Twins to Mike Napoli were actually the Twins just gauging the value for DHs; they perhaps never had any actual interest in him.

Rosenthal just posted an article about the Twins regarding chemistry/leadership.

 

In it was this "while they failed to land Napoli – even after offering him more money than the Rangers, according to major-league sources the team’s new front office has made it clear that it values the intangible as well as the tangible."

 

So, looks like they had real interest.

[darin617]

Not sure a team would want to claim him and be on the hook for the $9.75M over 3 years. Released there would some teams for sure for minimum salary without a doubt.

[KirbyDome89]

I'm glad Napoli didn't reciprocate the interest...

[Seth Stohs]

Per LaVelle... Park has cleared waivers and will report to Twins big league camp.

[mazeville]

Here's the story about Park clearing waivers.

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/Twins_Insider/

 

I sure hope he has a monster year in 2017. But I hope that for all members of the Twins. 

 

I don't know why I'm surprised he cleared. Probably shouldn't be.

[darin617]

 

Per LaVelle... Park has cleared waivers and will report to Twins big league camp.

 

What a surprise! And now I hear the Twins are possibly interested in Pedro Alvarez. Unless it is $3M or less don't waste the time. Not sure it is worth the effort to hope he has a good start to the year so you can flip him for a low prospect.

The worst part of all this is that when the Twins were actually competitive they would use every excuse in the world to say they could not afford to add a bat or a pitcher when they division leaders.

 

Makes everyone feel REAL OLD to think back to those good years.

[Doomtints]

 

What a surprise! And now I hear the Twins are possibly interested in Pedro Alvarez. Unless it is $3M or less don't waste the time. Not sure it is worth the effort to hope he has a good start to the year so you can flip him for a low prospect.

 

I would sign him in a heartbeat. He can be the primary 3B and back up 1B. Sano would then DH most of the time, only playing 3rd when Mauer has a day off (which should happen every 7-10 days).

I would call this brilliant if the Twins actually do it.

[nicksaviking]

 

I would sign him in a heartbeat. He can be the primary 3B and back up 1B. Sano would then DH most of the time, only playing 3rd when Mauer has a day off (which should happen every 7-10 days).

I would call this brilliant if the Twins actually do it.

 

Alvarez is a really, really bad defensive 3B though. Why him instead of Sano?

[Doomtints]

 

Alvarez is a really, really bad defensive 3B though. Why him instead of Sano?

 

Sano has a few more really's in that sentence than Alvarez.  

[nicksaviking]

 

Sano has a few more really's in that sentence than Alvarez.  

 

Sano is hopefully a future cornerstone of the team and has room to improve in all facets of the game, Alvarez is on the back nine of his career.

 

And no, Sano is not worse than Alvarez. Alvarez hasn't played 3B regularly for three years and last time he got any kind of regular reps there was in 2014 when he was the 2nd worst defender for the position in baseball. There's no reason to sign Alvarez to make him your starting 3B.

[Doomtints]

 

Sano is hopefully a future cornerstone of the team and has room to improve in all facets of the game, Alvarez is on the back nine of his career.

 

And no, Sano is not worse than Alvarez. Alvarez hasn't played 3B regularly for three years and last time he got any kind of regular reps there was in 2014 when he was the 2nd worst defender for the position in baseball. There's no reason to sign Alvarez to make him your starting 3B.

 

This line is utterly comical and I don't know why some people stick to it so wholeheartedly. Sano has not played at 3rd for a long time because he shattered his arm while practicing fielding at 3B. He may be the only professional third baseman in history to have done this. There is also some great footage of a ball bouncing off the top of his head as he attempted to field an infield fly without bothering to look at the ball.

 

Sano's only value as a player is with his bat. And if he misses a month or two because he injured himself in the field, then you've lost his bat from your lineup.. 

 

The Twins should always keep their eyes open for someone else to play 3rd so they can use Sano properly.

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

This line is utterly comical and I don't know why some people stick to it so wholeheartedly. Sano has not played at 3rd for a long time because he shattered his arm while practicing fielding at 3B. He may be the only professional third baseman in history to have done this. There is also some great footage of a ball bouncing off the top of his head as he attempted to field an infield fly without bothering to look at the ball.

 

Sano's only value as a player is with his bat. And if he misses a month or two because he injured himself in the field, then you've lost his bat from your lineup.. 

 

The Twins should always keep their eyes open for someone else to play 3rd so they can use Sano properly.

 

That might be true. But what is true is that Alvarez is not that guy. Not even close.

[PseudoSABR]

Sano might not be a viable long term defender at thirdbase; that, however, doesn't make Pedro Alvarez a better fielding option at the hot corner--he's really bad.