Article: Dozier Trade Talk Heating Up?

[diehardtwinsfan]

yeah, the WS have a weak farm system. They should be asking for at least 2 top 100s and 2 or 3 more young upside picks as well.  Sale has 3 years left and is a top of the rotation pitcher. He won't come cheap.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I think Yasiel Puig is good for the game but bringing him here is a bad idea. It would be fun to watch Molitor and Twins Daily posters grapple with the reality that is Puig. The highs and lows of Rosario and Sano will look downright boring compared to what this guy does on a daily basis.

[HitInAPinch]

 

Bob Nightengale of the USA Today is now reporting that the Dodgers are aggressively pursuing Dozier and that the Twins interest is now been "piqued."

In other words, the Dodgers look ready to overpay

Then Urias and De Leon are in play. 

[nytwinsfan]

 

Then Urias and De Leon are in play. 

I wouldn't assume that means Urias is in play.

[Squirrel]

yeah, the WS have a weak farm system. They should be asking for at least 2 top 100s and 2 or 3 more young upside picks as well.  Sale has 3 years left and is a top of the rotation pitcher. He won't come cheap.

Right. And if the Dodgers deal for Dozier, I don't think they'll have enough to deal for Sale and be left with anything. They aren't actively seeking to move him, but they are listening.

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

 

Right. And if the Dodgers deal for Dozier, I don't think they'll have enough to deal for Sale and be left with anything. They aren't actively seeking to move him, but they are listening.

Dogers have plenty in their system, and then some in the majors to get deals done. They can also buy FA's to fix, and also have not been afraid to sell on guys for prospects, if they feel like it. 

 

But, Urias is absolutely not in play for Doz. Don't even think our FO is naive enough to ask for him, as to look silly. Ain't happening. More likely not even getting De Leon. Probably more of a package of quantity than quality would be my guess.

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

 

 

But, Urias is absolutely not in play for Doz. Don't even think our FO is naive enough to ask for him, as to look silly.

 

Um, no.  You set the bar high. They should be asking for Urias.  Probably Urias and De Leon for now. That's how negotiations work.  I wouldn't expect to get Urias, but they have to ask.

 

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

Um, no. You set the bar high. They should be asking for Urias. Probably Urias and De Leon for now. That's how negotiations work. I wouldn't expect to get Urias, but they have to ask.

Sure, but we were probably told from the get go that he was a dealbreaker, unless we included other parts ourselves.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Sure, but we were probably told from the get go that he was a dealbreaker, unless we included other parts ourselves.

 

 

You tell them what you want.  They tell you what they will give. You have their offer and simply note that right now it would take Urias, De Leon, and Alvarez. You know theirs is lower.  For the time being, you say "I'll think about it" and go look at other offers.  Falvey/Levine can always call LA back.  They can also float what's on the table to get a better offer and then shop it back to LA if/when that happens...

 

but never give them a reasonable offer early on.  They may take it.

[Bob Sacamento]

 

Um, no.  You set the bar high. They should be asking for Urias.  Probably Urias and De Leon for now. That's how negotiations work.  I wouldn't expect to get Urias, but they have to ask.

 

Sure, but we were probably told from the get go that he was a dealbreaker, unless we included other parts ourselves.

Urias is a chip you use for a franchise changing player like Sale NOT a Dozier-type player, sorry Twins fans.  There is no problem in asking for the moon but if I'm Falvey, after I've assessed the farm system, I'm looking and holding firm for pitching and preferably close to MLB ready pitching.  The Dodgers have that in DeLeon and they've showed a willingness to shop him around.  Still the Dodgers would likely try to keep their pitching while dealing the depth of positional players they have in Calhoun, Verdugo, Bellinger.  But if the Twins can get a combo of DeLeon and Calhoun or Alvarez, they should jump on that all day.

[Linus]

The twins need pitching far more than positional players. If they can't get pitching move on.

[brvama]

?? How bad do the Dodgers want, or like, to get rid of Puig?  Would taking him on in a trade help sweeten the pot for the Twins?  Just wondering.

[toosweet64]

Dodgers are reportedly moving to sign Rich Hill. Their rotation is looking full of lefties with Kershaw, Kazmir, Hill, and Urias.

 

You have to ask for Urias. They say no? Then you ask for De Leon and Bellinger. They say no? You hang up the phone and move on. We are under no pressure right now to move Dozier.

 

No Puig in any deal.

Edited December 4, 2016 by toosweet64

[kab21]

 

Dodgers are reportedly moving to sign Rich Hill. Their rotation is looking full of lefties with Kershaw, Kazmir, Hill, and Urias.

You have to ask for Urias. They say no? Then you ask for De Leon and Bellinger. They say no? You hang up the phone and move on. We are under no pressure right now to move Dozier.

No Puig in any deal.

Actually there is pressure. It is very difficult to match team need, trade chip availability and willingness to make the big trade for a player at a specific position. The Dodgers are that match and it is unknown if another team will match up before next offseason at which point he will be a one year rental player. In addition to that Dozier is notorious for being streaky. He could have a cold start and his value could be lower at the deadline even if his overall yearly stat line ends up at 3-4 WAR.

But the Twins have to get a good deal for him. They can't just auction him off and take the best deal. Deleon and Bellinger would be a great deal because at the end of the day this is going to look like a more prospect rich version of the Span trade (Dozier is a better player). That one of course didn't work out but getting two top prospects would be great to balance the risk.

[Mr. Brooks]

Dodgers are reportedly moving to sign Rich Hill. Their rotation is looking full of lefties with Kershaw, Kazmir, Hill, and Urias.

 

You have to ask for Urias. They say no? Then you ask for De Leon and Bellinger. They say no? You hang up the phone and move on. We are under no pressure right now to move Dozier.

 

No Puig in any deal.

So your stance is to keep Dozier?

Asking for Urias or DeLeon AND Bellinger is just not realistic.

Dozier is a nice player, and you should get a good deal or don't trade him.

There are realistic trades with the Dodgers, but calling them and asking for 2 completely unrealistic packages or nothing is just insulting them.

[Riverbrian]

Land a SP who will pair with Berrios or walk away. 

[Lonestar]

 

Land a SP who will pair with Berrios or walk away. 

According to one Fangraphs pundit, Dozier was worth more than De Leon in July, before he sustained that hot streak 3 more months.  I don't think that means Urias.

 

You start with De Leon.  After that, the objective should be to acquire talent, whether it is pitching or not.

 

 

[BuxtonBandwagon]

Anthony Castrovince, An MLB writer(so in an unbiased opinion) suggested that the Dodgers trade De Leon, Alvarez, and Sheffield for Dozier. So it is very possible we can get all 3 of them.

 

I think we have to move on from Dozier as he won't be part of our next winning team and Polanco proved he's ready to fill in and no way do I wanna see him play 162 games at SS. 

 

Also, I know Santiago's salary would make it tougher for the dodgers as they want to get rid of salary but why not try to throw him in the deal to acquire more prospects like Lux/Calhoun. If not him I would throw in Kohl Stewart to sweeten the deal to get 3 starters in return and possibly Puig as a throw in.

[Riverbrian]

A 3 way trade could also be considered. 

 

Include the Rays in the deal.

 

Rays could get Dodgers offensive pieces and the Twins could get one of those Tampa Arms. 

 

 

[toosweet64]

So your stance is to keep Dozier?

Asking for Urias or DeLeon AND Bellinger is just not realistic.

Dozier is a nice player, and you should get a good deal or don't trade him.

There are realistic trades with the Dodgers, but calling them and asking for 2 completely unrealistic packages or nothing is just insulting them.

Why isn't it realistic? You contradict your own statement. Make a good deal or keep him? That's what I was saying. Urias or De Leon/Bellinger is a good deal. They don't think so? Fine. You have the entire winter meeting to chat with other teams.

[darin617]

 

Dodgers are reportedly moving to sign Rich Hill. Their rotation is looking full of lefties with Kershaw, Kazmir, Hill, and Urias.

You have to ask for Urias. They say no? Then you ask for De Leon and Bellinger. They say no? You hang up the phone and move on. We are under no pressure right now to move Dozier.

No Puig in any deal.

I beg to differ, the Twins don't have to trade Dozier buy right now he will have his highest trade value. Dodgers could just add a player like Brandon Phillips for a fraction of the price. The Twins need to start a rebuild this off season and sadly Dozier has the best value in return.

[Mr. Brooks]

Why isn't it realistic? You contradict your own statement. Make a good deal or keep him? That's what I was saying. Urias or De Leon/Bellinger is a good deal. They don't think so? Fine. You have the entire winter meeting to chat with other teams.

I'm saying you can still get a good deal without demanding their top 2 prospects.

 

That just isn't happening. For Mike Trout? Sure. Not for Brian Dozier.

 

You can make an unrealistic demand, fine. But that is the same as not even making an offer.

[laloesch]

 

I'm saying you can still get a good deal without demanding their top 2 prospects.

That just isn't happening. For Mike Trout? Sure. Not for Brian Dozier.

You can make an unrealistic demand, fine. But that is the same as not even making an offer.

 

never say never.  None of us can make that assertion definitively. 

[gunnarthor]

Per Heyman, four or five teams have interest in Dozier, who is also going to be at the winter meetings for a marketing requirement.  But that means he'll almost certainly be able to meet with future potential bosses which will probably be a good thing.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/four-to-five-teams-interested-in-brian-dozier.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

 

 

[gunnarthor]

Just looking at some of the fan comments to Heyman's tweet, it looks like fans of the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels and Phillies are looking at adding Dozier.  Not sure that's a reliable way to guess the interested teams though.  

 

 

 

 

[HitInAPinch]

 

Per Heyman, four or five teams have interest in Dozier, who is also going to be at the winter meetings for a marketing requirement.  But that means he'll almost certainly be able to meet with future potential bosses which will probably be a good thing.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/four-to-five-teams-interested-in-brian-dozier.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

 

And maybe those extra 3-4 teams inquiring about Dozier will push the Dodgers to include more of their upper-level prospects for Dozier and a couple Twins prospects...

[Mr. Brooks]

never say never. None of us can make that assertion definitively.

True, it's not impossible to win the powerball. But, I sure wouldn't plan on it.

The Dodgers would be crazy to trade their top 2 prospects for Dozier- a good but not elite player. Maybe they are crazy, I hope they are.