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3 proposals that could pry Dozier away from the Twins

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Thrylos

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interesting article.  Here.  Discusses potential trades of Dozier and others to the Dodgers, Nats and Rays (of all teams.) 

 

I love what they proposed for the Dodgers:

 

Twins trade: Dozier, P Glen Perkins, P Hector Santiago
Dodgers trade: 1B/OF Cody Bellinger, P Jose De Leon, P Chase De Jong, P Ross Stripling, IF Omar Estevez

 

Is there any Twins' fan who would not do that in a heartbeat?

 

All 3 trades are heavily in the Twins' favor IMHO, but interesting read anyways...

 

 

nytwinsfan FCL Twins

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interesting article.  Here.  Discusses potential trades of Dozier and others to the Dodgers, Nats and Rays (of all teams.) 

 

I love what they proposed for the Dodgers:

 

Twins trade: Dozier, P Glen Perkins, P Hector Santiago
Dodgers trade: 1B/OF Cody Bellinger, P Jose De Leon, P Chase De Jong, P Ross Stripling, IF Omar Estevez

 

Is there any Twins' fan who would not do that in a heartbeat?

 

All 3 trades are heavily in the Twins' favor IMHO, but interesting read anyways...

I really can't imagine the Dodgers would do that, but what do I know. Would be a log jam with Bellinger at 1B, at least until Mauer leaves in 2019, but i suppose if Bellinger makes the team in late 2017 or 2018 he could play outfield part-time. 

 

I'm not sure I would do that Nationals deal they propose. Do people really think Michael Taylor still has a high upside? I'd seriously consider the Rays deal, but why would they go for Dozier? Is their window the next two years?

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Haven't gotten to the other trade proposals yet, but I'm finding the LA trade pretty hard to believe.  

 

For Dozier, a middle of the road starter and a injury-recovering closer [who's been predicted to be a shell of himself IF he returns], the Twins get the top Dodgers top prospect, one of it's top pitching prospects and 3 MiLB prospects?

 

And Bellinger would be blocked.  BLOCKED I say!!

 

Do it quick before LA's management sobers up    :)

 

 

 

 

 

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All three trades are very interesting. I'd lean dodgers for the Nats and Rays trades would absolutely be interesting. In terms of interest I would say 1) Dodgers, 1a) Nats Lopez is really good, and 3) Rays. Does Perkins really have value though?

jimmer Wichita Wind Surge

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interesting article.  Here.  Discusses potential trades of Dozier and others to the Dodgers, Nats and Rays (of all teams.) 

 

I love what they proposed for the Dodgers:

 

Twins trade: Dozier, P Glen Perkins, P Hector Santiago
Dodgers trade: 1B/OF Cody Bellinger, P Jose De Leon, P Chase De Jong, P Ross Stripling, IF Omar Estevez

 

Is there any Twins' fan who would not do that in a heartbeat?

 

All 3 trades are heavily in the Twins' favor IMHO, but interesting read anyways...

Twins couldn't get Bellinger by himself for Dozier, Perkins and Santiago, much less get Bellinger AND DeLeon plus others.  This trade idea is pure fantasy, but certainly would be enough to get Dozier.

 

The bright side for some is that Bellinger is actually a legitimate 1B prospect both offensively and defensively and he would displace Mauer at 1B.  But again, pure fantasy.  Bellinger isn't going anywhere except to LA about mid-season replacing AGone.

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Sounds good to me. Interesting that in the Dodgers trade the Twins get their top two prospects while the Nats only have to give up #3 and #12. It seems as though Santiago and Perkins are actually more valuable than Dozier. Best news I've heard all day!

kab21 FCL Twins

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The credibility of a writer seems low when a trade proposal includes mediocre and not cheap starter AND a player that may or may not come back from injuries to be a useful pitcher. At this point I can't imagine either of those players having positive trade value. This almost seems like a different version (high priced mediocre) of the Duensing rule.

 

There is definitely some talent in those trade packages.

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I buy the value of both Dozier and Santiago to the Dodgers but don't buy Perkins. Unless there are some good reports and expectations on Perk that we haven't heard yet, like mid-season healthy return or similar, I'd almost think including him and his contact would hurt the Twins side of the deal.

 

I want to say it was Seth who mentioned including Van Slyke in a Dodger deal to add a solid veteran 4th OF. I find that idea interesting. If Bollinger is a no-go in the deal but Van Slyke was included to deepen the OF along with the listed pitchers, I still think I'd make that deal. But I confess to not knowing enough about De Jong and Estevez to know how this proposal shakes out on the Twins side.

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I think there might be a sense that the Dodgers are in a desperate "win-now" mode.  They've arguably underachieved in the playoffs four years in a row and Kershaw, although still young, is starting to show mileage.  With SF in the same division they have a lot of pressure to get a ring soon so I'm not surprised that writers outside of MN might think the Dodgers will overpay (in our view) for an established second baseman.  The Dodgers do have some really good young talent debuting as well but the team does seem to be entering a bit of a transition phase.  Last year they had 9 players amass 2 WAR or more but only 2 of them will be younger than 27 next season (Seagers is their best player though).

 

That said, I have no idea what the Twins can get back for Dozier although I hope Falvey/Levine blow us away.

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Personally, I think the Braves would be a better trade partner.  The signings of Dickey & Colon prove that they want to amp it up quickly as they move into their new digs.  Plus, their system is stocked with young arms.  Dozier would be thrilled with Atlanta, as it's only about 200 miles from his hometown.  Send them an enthusiastic Dozier for the best pair of arms they'd be willing to give up in return.  That's the kind of deal we need to make to get this ship righted.

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Personally, I think the Braves would be a better trade partner. The signings of Dickey & Colon prove that they want to amp it up quickly as they move into their new digs. Plus, their system is stocked with young arms. Dozier would be thrilled with Atlanta, as it's only about 200 miles from his hometown. Send them an enthusiastic Dozier for the best pair of arms they'd be willing to give up in return. That's the kind of deal we need to make to get this ship righted.

I think I like Deleon better than any of the Braves pitchers.

 

Also, as much as I like Dozier, the Twins need to make trades with their best interests in mind. If Dozier wants to play in Atlanta he can see if they want him in two years when he's a free agent.

 

On a related note, Atlanta has had a run of top starting pitching prospects for about a decade now but none have had any sustained success. What's going on over there. Is it mostly due to injuries? If so why is it happening?

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I think I like Deleon better than any of the Braves pitchers.

Also, as much as I like Dozier, the Twins need to make trades with their best interests in mind. If Dozier wants to play in Atlanta he can see if they want him in two years when he's a free agent.

 

I like Deleon as well.  I should have said the Braves are a more realistic trade partner. 

 

In addition I am saying that an enthusiastic Brian Dozier adds to his value for the Braves, who clearly appear to be making a statement to their fanbase.  Signing two 40+ year old starters was intended as a signal to fans that the Braves want to compete right now.  Dozier has the looks, charisma and down-home charm to be an asset in Atlanta outside of the lines, as well as between them as they prepare to christen Sun Trust Field. 

 

I don't know if the Braves have an arm comparable to Deleon, but they've got a bunch of really good ones.  I think we agree though, that Dozier did the Twins a big favor with his torrid 2nd half.  Coupled with Polanco's emergence, Falvey & Co. must explore every potential option for using him to add talent to the staff. 

 

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Personally, I think the Braves would be a better trade partner. The signings of Dickey & Colon prove that they want to amp it up quickly as they move into their new digs. Plus, their system is stocked with young arms. Dozier would be thrilled with Atlanta, as it's only about 200 miles from his hometown. Send them an enthusiastic Dozier for the best pair of arms they'd be willing to give up in return. That's the kind of deal we need to make to get this ship righted.

Can't say I agree. I don't think Dickey and Colon are "going for it" signings. If the Braves expect to compete next year they are being wildly optimistic. And while I get the Dozier-Atlanta connection I just don't see that moving the needle very far. I'm pretty darn confident we'll get more from The Dodgers for Dozier than from the Braves.

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Can't say I agree. I don't think Dickey and Colon are "going for it" signings. If the Braves expect to compete next year they are being wildly optimistic. And while I get the Dozier-Atlanta connection I just don't see that moving the needle very far. I'm pretty darn confident we'll get more from The Dodgers for Dozier than from the Braves.

 

Of course, I hope you're right.  The proposed Dodger deal would trim about $25mil from our payroll in 2017 alone.  That money could be well spent on bullpen depth.

Linus Cedar Rapids Kernels

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I have no idea how realistic these trade ideas are but if they are even in the ballpark the Twins have to trade Dozier.

gunnarthor MVP

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I hope the Twins are open to taking on some payroll to help sweeten the pot, if indeed the Dodgers have some financial interests at stake.

I think that's probably unlikely given that we're owned by the Pohlad family.  We'll see but I suspect our payroll will be comfortably low this year.

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I hope the Twins are open to taking on some payroll to help sweeten the pot, if indeed the Dodgers have some financial interests at stake.

The article does not make sense.  They state MLB is demanding they cut debt and the metric for compliance is 12X revenue.  Their revenue is over $400M/yr so that would imply they have greater than $5B in debt.  Of course, that makes no sense. 

 

Their operating loss was over $70M last year.  Perhaps MLB has instructed them to get this under control.  That would make more sense in the context of the article but they stated the problem was a product of their debt to revenue ratio. 

 

 

 

Linus Cedar Rapids Kernels

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The article does not make sense. They state MLB is demanding they cut debt and the metric for compliance is 12X revenue. Their revenue is over $400M/yr so that would imply they have greater than $5B in debt. Of course, that makes no sense.

 

Their operating loss was over $70M last year. Perhaps MLB has instructed them to get this under control. That would make more sense in the context of the article but they stated the problem was a product of their debt to revenue ratio.

The article says 12 x revenue minus expenses....

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