It took 28 days?

[rochester]

I cannot believe what I just read about Alex Meyer!  It took the Twins 28 days to put this guy on the DL??  We've had a guy who was hurling 99 mph, wasn't given a fair chance when he was called up (the Houston ordeal still burns me up) and now have waited 28 stinking days to put him on the DL???  How much more does this kid have to put up with?  In order for a pitcher to succeed, he's got to take his bumps along the way.  He never got a chance to prove himself and show us the pitcher he is.  Come on Terry and Paul - you've got some explaining to do!

[Linus]

It's the minor league DL. Who cares how long they took - they've been treating his shoulder the entire time.

[Twodogs]

Yeah he has been throwing bullpens and coming up with a stiff arm the next day.  So they have been treating it as shoulder inflamation

[gunnarthor]

I think there is probably more to this than is being reported but I don't know what is going on, so I'll just hope that Meyer gets another chance in the ML rotation soon.

[Platoon]

Since I think the last time he pitched was in his major league "start", will he have a case to remain on MLB pay, etc? Can he contend he was hurt while on the 25 man?

[gunnarthor]

 

Since I think the last time he pitched was in his major league "start", will he have a case to remain on MLB pay, etc? Can he contend he was hurt while on the 25 man?

I think that's one of the things that the Twins and Boras might hammer out in the off-season (or, perhaps, sooner).

[David HK]

Man, I'm a team-first guy, and it would truly suck to lose Mr. Meyer, but I would not blame him in the least if Boras gets him moved to another team.  

 

The way the Twins have jerked him around, and never given him a legit shot to prove himself-  2 sips of coffee, not even a whole cup-  is ridiculous.  We gave up a heck of a lot to get him over here, and it seems it's all been wasted.  Granted, he did look out of his depth last year, but it was good to give him a look, albeit a short one.  But he went down and did everything asked of him,  (OK, you're a reliever now.  Nope, you're a starter again...), and was finding success so far this year, until....

 

It's just a howling disgrace how Molly 'used' him in that recent callup.  He's a starter, been throwing lights out, and then he gets dragged up here, only to sit way past his regular rotation turn.  Then thrown into a useless situation, then finally given a start, only to be pulled waaaaaaaay too prematurely, and then gets bussed back out immedidately.  Cripe, the 'vets' we've got have turned in far less competent performances, repeatedly, and been given enough rope to hang themselves along with the entire James-Younger Gang.  But in an already lost season, Molly decided to run that particular game like the ALCS decider.  He personally went out of his way to completely wreck whatever shred of confidence that kid had.  

 

I don't think this current issue is totally shoulder-related.  Alex Meyer knows exactly what the Twins gave up to get him.  He knows exactly what the expectations of the team and the fans have been since his arrival, and it's a lot to live up to.  No doubt the pressure he feels going after it in the bigs is even more than the average rookie feels.  I think the Twins manager really damaged his psyche with the horrible way he jerked the kid around up here.   And the Kremlin-like way management 'handled' the surrounding situation didn't help dispel that perception one bit.

 

I really do hope he gets back on track some time this season, and heck, once the manager has been changed by the AS Break, maybe he'll even get some time in the bigs again.  Maybe he'll never pan out, in the long run.  But he's a unique talent, and to give up on him without a legitimate shot, or callously wreck his confidence in the process is a disgrace.  

[John Bonnes]

He should be getting MLB service time, IMHO. I"m really worried for this kid. This shoulder thing has just been weird. It's a little scary.

[Linus]

Man, I'm a team-first guy, and it would truly suck to lose Mr. Meyer, but I would not blame him in the least if Boras gets him moved to another team.

 

The way the Twins have jerked him around, and never given him a legit shot to prove himself- 2 sips of coffee, not even a whole cup- is ridiculous. We gave up a heck of a lot to get him over here, and it seems it's all been wasted. Granted, he did look out of his depth last year, but it was good to give him a look, albeit a short one. But he went down and did everything asked of him, (OK, you're a reliever now. Nope, you're a starter again...), and was finding success so far this year, until....

 

It's just a howling disgrace how Molly 'used' him in that recent callup. He's a starter, been throwing lights out, and then he gets dragged up here, only to sit way past his regular rotation turn. Then thrown into a useless situation, then finally given a start, only to be pulled waaaaaaaay too prematurely, and then gets bussed back out immedidately. Cripe, the 'vets' we've got have turned in far less competent performances, repeatedly, and been given enough rope to hang themselves along with the entire James-Younger Gang. But in an already lost season, Molly decided to run that particular game like the ALCS decider. He personally went out of his way to completely wreck whatever shred of confidence that kid had.

 

I don't think this current issue is totally shoulder-related. Alex Meyer knows exactly what the Twins gave up to get him. He knows exactly what the expectations of the team and the fans have been since his arrival, and it's a lot to live up to. No doubt the pressure he feels going after it in the bigs is even more than the average rookie feels. I think the Twins manager really damaged his psyche with the horrible way he jerked the kid around up here. And the Kremlin-like way management 'handled' the surrounding situation didn't help dispel that perception one bit.

 

I really do hope he gets back on track some time this season, and heck, once the manager has been changed by the AS Break, maybe he'll even get some time in the bigs again. Maybe he'll never pan out, in the long run. But he's a unique talent, and to give up on him without a legitimate shot, or callously wreck his confidence in the process is a disgrace.

Alex Meyers problem is the way he has pitched, not the way he has been handled. If he is hurt or ineffective that is not on the Twins.

[Rosterman]

Maybe they can package him to another team as a not injjured pitcher with the not fulltime guy Nunez.

 

[Jham]

Catch 22.  Arm up, good angle, bite on the slider, decent control, and getting to be chronic shoulder problems.  Arm down, flat angle, wild, but less strain on the shoulder.  He needs to either throw with less strain as a starter, or move to the pen full time to reduce innings.  Or develop a knuckleball.

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

 

Alex Meyers problem is the way he has pitched, not the way he has been handled. If he is hurt or ineffective that is not on the Twins.

No, they shouldn't take any responsibility in developing and handling talented young players.

[jimmer]

 

No, they shouldn't take any responsibility in developing and handling talented young players.

Apparently, everything is the players' fault.  The decisions they make in games, their failures, etc.  We might as well not have coaches, a manager, any kind of player development.  Draft them, let them coaches themselves, let them set the lineups, let them fix their own injuries, let them fix their own mechanics, make them responsible for everything.  Should save a lot of money.

[The Wise One]

 

Catch 22.  Arm up, good angle, bite on the slider, decent control, and getting to be chronic shoulder problems.  Arm down, flat angle, wild, but less strain on the shoulder.  He needs to either throw with less strain as a starter, or move to the pen full time to reduce innings.  Or develop a knuckleball.

You forgot angle flat, more hittable, less strikeouts. Of course, to some, that is all the coach's and managers fault.  More like damned if you do, damned if you do not.

[operation mindcrime]

Total system failure!

[Mike Sixel]

I hope he is getting MLB service time and pay.......

[Major League Ready]

 

Apparently, everything is the players' fault.  The decisions they make in games, their failures, etc.  We might as well not have coaches, a manager, any kind of player development.  Draft them, let them coaches themselves, let them set the lineups, let them fix their own injuries, let them fix their own mechanics, make them responsible for everything.  Should save a lot of money.

Right.  There is no bias here against the front office or management in general.  Give me a break.  It does not matter what the FO does, half of the people who post here are going to complain.  Meyer has been either wild or hurt.  He has never performed well for any extended period of time but he should be at the MLB level.  No bias here!

[Loosey]

My complaint is clearly all players are not the same from a physical and emotional standpoint.  They are human beings and so are the coaches, FO, etc.  Every prospect, veteran, ball boy can't be handled the same exact way.  The Twins seem to have gone the complete opposite direction with Meyer.  Instead of showing confidence in him when things got rough, they showed zero confidence in him and seem to have stripped him of any he had remaining.

 

Maybe they were trying to protect him and not let things get out of hand and have things spiral out of control that way, but in that situation it's on him and his ability not the team essentially saying, "we don't believe in you, pack your bags."

 

 

 

[bird]

 

Apparently, everything is the players' fault.  The decisions they make in games, their failures, etc.  We might as well not have coaches, a manager, any kind of player development.  Draft them, let them coaches themselves, let them set the lineups, let them fix their own injuries, let them fix their own mechanics, make them responsible for everything.  Should save a lot of money.

 

 

Right.

 

No one ever faults anyone but the player. Players are never "jerked around". GM's are never blamed for screwing with a player's psyche. Who ever questions the player development staff when a player fails? 

 

The infamous Ortiz story is a myth apparently. 

 

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

Why in the world must all these propositions be boiled down to an either/or scenario?  I think a lot of fruitful dialogue could start happening if people were a bit less stubborn in their beliefs and open to recognizing that most complex problems cannot be boiled down to a one or the other kind of scenario.

[bird]

 

Why in the world must all these propositions be boiled down to an either/or scenario?  I think a lot of fruitful dialogue could start happening if people were a bit less stubborn in their beliefs and open to recognizing that most complex problems cannot be boiled down to a one or the other kind of scenario.

 

The reason I'm on here every day is because a lot of pretty decent dialogue does in fact take place here. Over the course of time, I've changed my own view of things as a result of fair-minded, intelligent discussion. And that's quite an accomplishment on the part of those I've disagreed with! When we encounter a point of view that is not balanced, we do the board a favor to point that out in my opinion. Even if we risk a tiny bit of temporary friction.

[Mr. Brooks]

Right. There is no bias here against the front office or management in general. Give me a break. It does not matter what the FO does, half of the people who post here are going to complain. Meyer has been either wild or hurt. He has never performed well for any extended period of time but he should be at the MLB level. No bias here!

That's just not true.

He was good at every level through AAA up until last year.

How long does it have to be to be an extended period of time to you?

[clutterheart]

Id guess they kept him off the DL so he couldn't file a grievance to get his service time / MLB pay.

[DocBauer]

Trying to remove disappointment and frustration from Meyer is difficult.

 

But I think there are two entirely different points being melded in to one point here, and I don't think that is accurate or fair. Whatever anyone's opinion on Meyer last season, and what lead to just a disappointing year, he was moved ask to the rotation again this year. And he did get off to a nice start. But i, and I think most of us, we're upset and angry about how he was brought up to sit, finally got to start, was pulled early, then sent down immediately after without another opportunity.

 

But that is a different situation entirely to the current shoulder situation. We have been told he was rehabbing, throwing, and felt good. Then the next day he'd be stiff and sore again. Then they'd try it again, he'd felt fine, then stiff and sore again. Maybe they've missed something, maybe 28 days is too long, but based on what they have made public concerning this latest setback, I'm disappointed but not overly upset.

 

Again, there is a mix of frustration and disappointment, but there are also separate issues involved here.

[jokin]

 

Alex Meyers problem is the way he has pitched, not the way he has been handled. If he is hurt or ineffective that is not on the Twins.

 

Any kid at this point in his developmental timeline, has to learn how to be a MLB-level pitcher, on-the-job, and particularly being 6'9", even more patience is usually required. The fact remains, after curiously being jacked around for both what his actual role was and exactly when, where and how he was going to be used in his latest call-up, Meyer was in the midst of a breakthrough performance when he was abruptly yanked from his last start.

 

And yes, if Meyer is hurt, it is entirely incumbent on the Twins to do everything possible to protect both his health, plus the significant investment they have in him.

[Shaitan]

Is it the same shoulder that was injured pre trade to the Twins?

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

Right.  There is no bias here against the front office or management in general.  Give me a break.  It does not matter what the FO does, half of the people who post here are going to complain.  Meyer has been either wild or hurt.  He has never performed well for any extended period of time but he should be at the MLB level.  No bias here!

 

He has also never been ineffective for an 'extended period of time' at the MLB level.

Other than Graham, Perkins and Boshers (let go after 1.2 innings, on the DL after 2.0 innings, and recently acquired, respectively) no one on the 2016 Minnesota Twins has been given fewer innings (3.2) than Alex Meyer to show what they can do.

 

I appreciate your point, and until this year I have never believed the FO and manager were completely clueless. However, this year the evidence is leaning pretty strongly one particular way...

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Is it the same shoulder that was injured pre trade to the Twins?

I'm not sure if it was injured before his trade to the Twins, he only had one pro season before that and he didn't miss a start.  Also doesn't look like he missed any time in his three college seasons, judging by the stats.

 

Two months into his first season in the Twins system (2013), he was shut down with shoulder issues.  He rehabbed and returned about 2.5 months later.

 

He was also shut down at the end of his second season in the Twins system (2014) with some shoulder concerns, sounding not unlike the current ones:

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2014/08/31/twinsights-alex-meyer-dl-j-o-berrios-triple-rochester/

 

 

Trevor May has been in touch with Alex Meyer, his teammate in the minors the past two seasons, and May can report at least some good news about his fellow prized pitching prospect for the Twins.

“He says there’s no pain (in his shoulder), so that’s good,” May said after Sunday’s loss to the Orioles. “He’s disappointed. It’s not the way you want to end, on that note. At the same time he’s glad there’s nothing structurally wrong with him. Just had a little trouble getting loose.”

Meyer, the Twins’ top-ranked pitching prospect, was placed on the seven-day disabled list with shoulder inflammation at Triple-A Rochester on Sunday.

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Trying to remove disappointment and frustration from Meyer is difficult.

But I think there are two entirely different points being melded in to one point here, and I don't think that is accurate or fair. Whatever anyone's opinion on Meyer last season, and what lead to just a disappointing year, he was moved ask to the rotation again this year. And he did get off to a nice start. But i, and I think most of us, we're upset and angry about how he was brought up to sit, finally got to start, was pulled early, then sent down immediately after without another opportunity.

But that is a different situation entirely to the current shoulder situation. We have been told he was rehabbing, throwing, and felt good. Then the next day he'd be stiff and sore again. Then they'd try it again, he'd felt fine, then stiff and sore again. Maybe they've missed something, maybe 28 days is too long, but based on what they have made public concerning this latest setback, I'm disappointed but not overly upset.

Again, there is a mix of frustration and disappointment, but there are also separate issues involved here.

I think the issues are quite possibly related.  Guy with a history of shoulder trouble and inconsistency -- abruptly changing his role and routine could very well have contributed to his current ailment.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

The fact remains, after curiously being jacked around for both what his actual role was and exactly when, where and how he was going to be used in his latest call-up, Meyer was in the midst of a breakthrough performance when he was abruptly yanked from his last start.

I think he was misused too, but I think it's an exaggeration to label his start as a "breakthrough performance."  There were encouraging signs, though.