5 Reasons You Should Love The Jaime Garcia Trade

Works for me on all five counts.  Go Twinkies!!

Good analysis Nick.  It could fall apart, but at least it looks like they tried.  Will need more moves to get further.

What's been worrying me is that everyone seems to have forgotten about Hector "The Looming Spector" Santiago.

He's almost off the DL. Are Hector and his dastardly deeds going to sneak into the rotation and sabotage the Twins chances? What will we do with this guy?

What's been worrying me is that everyone seems to have forgotten about Hector "The Looming Spector" Santiago.

 

He's almost off the DL. Are Hector and his dastardly deeds going to sneak into the rotation and sabotage the Twins chances? What will we do with this guy?

If healthy, perfectly viable back-half starter. Let him/Gibby/Mejia fight to the death over the last two spots.

(preferably without the death of Mejia, he actually has a future on this team)

Maybe it's my bias toward negativity, but I'm pretty hard pressed to be convinced that any move to improve this team now is a bite on the future, and the present isn't bright enough to make it worth investing much in the way of resources.

That said, they didn't give much up other than money, which there is plenty of to go around.

Put me in the camp of the only way I'm really excited is if they trade win-now assets for really highly valued future assets. An anomoly I know.

Gibson's last start was good.  At this point, it should be Mejia and Santiago fighting for the last spot (at least until Gibson goes sour again)

I was actually kind of apathetic about the trade. I thought Ynoa wasn't enough to get upset about at this point, and Garcia won't be enough. Not much there.

I think you talked me into liking it. If it helps them at least play meaningful games for a little while longer, that'll be worth it. Some playoff atmosphere, if not the actual playoffs, would be nice.

Great points Nick. Well done

Good trade for all these reasons ... and without it things could have gone south...and fast with the rotation

6. Garcia is a free agent at the end of the season...

This isn't a big trade but it is a huge move considering Colon is in the rotation and Santiago faces a lot of uncertainty. If anybody is concerned that the Twins have TOO MANY starters then I don't even know what to say.

I guess if you had your heart set on the Twins firmly committing to the "optics" of contention, then it's hard to see a better available move than picking up Garcia.

But the trade comes with a much steeper commitment than a #20-ish prospect or a few million unspent dollars from the season's payroll budget. It comes with a commitment to the improved performance of the current youngsters on the MLB roster as almost the only meaningful source of improvement in the team for the foreseeable future.

If you see them turning the Twins into contenders in 2018 and beyond with minimal outside help, then adding a fig leaf of contention like Garcia for 2017 and standing pat for the future makes a world of sense.

WHile I agree we gave up very little in this rental, the real point of the remainder of the season should be to find out if we need a Jaime Garcia signing next offseason.  

I get the "playoff" contention, but we are a barely .500 team with a runs differential that suggests we should be closer to the bottom of the league than a playoff contender, and the true fact of the matter is that the only reason we even look like a "contender" is that we are in the weakest division in baseball.

Instead, we should determine if we have a 4th/5th starter from within the organization by giving Hurlbut and Siegers an opportunity to pitch during the 2nd half of the season, and the time might be right to bring up Gonsalves to see if he is a 3rd/4th starter guy in the league.  

If one or more of those guys work out, then you don't need a Jaime Garcia.  But, if you give them 10 starts each and they cannot do the job, this offseason go out an sign a guy like Garcia to be that 4th starter type a decent roster needs.  

I agree with all of the points stated.  It's not about winning this year--it's the perception of the FO does care about winning and is committed to help the team win (yes, there is a budget, this isn't LA/NY).  But the FO wasn't worried about ~$5MM, they were worried about not trying to help.  Very Good!

I guess if you had your heart set on the Twins firmly committing to the "optics" of contention, then it's hard to see a better available move than picking up Garcia.

 

But the trade comes with a much steeper commitment than a #20-ish prospect or a few million unspent dollars from the season's payroll budget. It comes with a commitment to the improved performance of the current youngsters on the MLB roster as almost the only meaningful source of improvement in the team for the foreseeable future.

 

If you see them turning the Twins into contenders in 2018 and beyond with minimal outside help, then adding a fig leaf of contention like Garcia for 2017 and standing pat for the future makes a world of sense.

I don't see why adding Garcia means anything different for the 2018 offseason. Why are they standing pat for the future in either scenario?

 

WHile I agree we gave up very little in this rental, the real point of the remainder of the season should be to find out if we need a Jaime Garcia signing next offseason.  

 

I get the "playoff" contention, but we are a barely .500 team with a runs differential that suggests we should be closer to the bottom of the league than a playoff contender, and the true fact of the matter is that the only reason we even look like a "contender" is that we are in the weakest division in baseball.

 

Instead, we should determine if we have a 4th/5th starter from within the organization by giving Hurlbut and Siegers an opportunity to pitch during the 2nd half of the season, and the time might be right to bring up Gonsalves to see if he is a 3rd/4th starter guy in the league.  

 

If one or more of those guys work out, then you don't need a Jaime Garcia.  But, if you give them 10 starts each and they cannot do the job, this offseason go out an sign a guy like Garcia to be that 4th starter type a decent roster needs.  

We have had a revolving door all season at the 5th spot (and Gibson at the 4th spot). There have been ample opportunity to audition for a spot if the FO thought any of those guys are worthy.

Honestly I'm sort of conflicted. We needed to make a deal for 2017 and this is a hell of a lot better than nothing but as others have speculated this seems like stage one of a trade and sign and in that sense Garcia would be a pretty underwhelming long term acquisition.

 

Rather have gone after Darvish, if that's the plan.

I don't think that is the case here. Back of the rotation starters are available cheap every off season. Sign and trades only make sense for above average players.

I don't see why adding Garcia means anything different for the 2018 offseason. Why are they standing pat for the future in either scenario?

 

 

Either Santana and the other marketable veterans aren't going anywhere in the offseason just like they aren't going anywhere now, or else they'll be shopped in what may be a potentially less lucrative winter meeting environment. The former now seems much more likely to me.

And I'm not terribly optimistic about the Twins organization making any significant improvement through free agency this offseason after its current owner and his new front office shored up the "total system failure" of the worst team in the history of the franchise with a one-point-something WAR catcher whose first search hit on Yahoo is person locator BeenVerified's boast that "We Found Jason Castro".

So that pretty much leaves the progression of the young players as the only meaningful avenue of improvement. Maybe that's enough. I don't know. But I doubt it.

"...Stephen Gonsalves and Fernando Romero are looming in Double-A."

Somebody tell those young men to quit looming. It's creeping me out. 

Either Santana and the other marketable veterans aren't going anywhere in the offseason just like they aren't going anywhere now, or else they'll be shopped in what may be a potentially less lucrative winter meeting environment. The former now seems much more likely to me.

 

And I'm not terribly optimistic about the Twins organization making any significant improvement through free agency this offseason after its current owner and his new front office shored up the "total system failure" of the worst team in the history of the franchise with a one-point-something WAR catcher whose first search hit on Yahoo is person locator BeenVerified's boast that "We Found Jason Castro".

 

So that pretty much leaves the progression of the young players as the only meaningful avenue of improvement. Maybe that's enough. I don't know. But I doubt it.

Teams that finish dead last in the MLB shouldn't be signing expensive FA's for the most part. Things have changed now with several players taking steps forward this season (Berrios, Sano as MVP level, Rosario/Kepler, Grossman, etc...). I certainly don't think that one offseason of a new GM can tell you a whole lot about what they will do in the future.

This move for example has shown us that they will pick up a contract which was something that many had considered impossible just one week ago. Yes, people thought taking on 4M in salary was near impossible because it hadn't been done before. I think we will see a lot of 'impossible' during the next couple of seasons. Hopefully there are some W's also.

If you are close, you should always go for it. You can't assume anything from year to year, and anything can happen in the playoffs. They did a good job limiting the return, and the Twins are obviously taking advantage of the current situation (i.e. being in the postseason race). I'm all for this move. Bravo.

My takes on the acquisition of Jaime Garcia:

2) The price was right: Minnesota acquired Garcia without giving up much

This is what real, professional front offices do.  Terry Ryan was a heck of a talent evaluator.  But otherwise...

3) Ponying up: The Twins are covering all the money.

In baseball terms, a small amount of money.  In Pohlad-terms, yeah, it's still money, but they approved of this move.  This and the move to hire a firm to find new people to run the Twins organization are really big moves.  The day's of calling the Pohland's cheap are over!  Maybe. SSS and all....

4) Message delivered: Falvey and Levine are giving a vote of confidence.

Another big deal.  We haven't seen this in a long time.  And how about a vote of confidence for Molitor?  I know there are many who criticize Molitor on a regular basis.  I call it a bunch of nitpicking.  This team is growing under Molitor.  Or are we calling Eddie Rosario's season a fluke?   

Gibson has been farmed out again, this time in favor of Colon.  In his last game, Gibson pitched a good game.  Then started whining again.  Shezzz.....

Moving forward, is it Santana, Berrios, Mejia, Garcia and Colon?  Surely we can go better than Colon, right?

Even though it may be counter intuitive on the surface I liked this deal better if we picked up the money. Maybe Falvey is smooth enough to pry cash from a bankers white knuckled clutches