White Sox 12, Twins 3: Woof.

[Old Crow]

9 hours ago, Dave Borton said:

Who needs a BP, anyways...

It's not a BP it's a disaster in fact the entire game was a real dog and pony show.

[Doctor Gast]

9 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Martin, I love the guy, but he has no clue running the bases. It’s to the point now where it’s almost both comical and predictable.  Please get that kid some coaching.  

Agreed Nash. These kids come through the MiLB, unprepared. They have no idea how to run the bases, bunt, or fundamentals in general. In the MiLB, they hardly play a position & when they come up to MLB, they are thrown in that position & expected to play there on a MLB level. Even when they come up, I question the quality of coaching they receive. 

[Doctor Gast]

I was encouraged by SWR battling back from his illness.

[DuluthRoots]

At least I learned the term "dog's breakfast" reading this article.

[Woof Bronzer]

 White Sox 12, Twins 3: Woof.

Hey leave me out of this!

[T.O.]

1 hour ago, Maybebaby said:

Oh for the days of Hebie and Kirby....or even farther back of Harmon and Tony O!

I was thinking today about who my favorite players are. What I came up with was in recent years I like players for their potential and often remain loyal well past the time they prove they won't live up to their perceived potential. Then I think back to my favorite time in baseball the sixties and I'm shocked at our present lack of players like Harmon K and Tony O and Jim K. Not just high achieving stars but players we looked up to. I don't think we'll ever have stars like that again. Is it the big salaries? Have we changed as fans? Has baseball changed for the worse?
I think it may be all of the above.

[Vanimal46]

I said last night Davis might be the worst pitcher I’ve seen wearing a Twins uniform in 15 years. It’s actually worse than that. 

[terrydactyls]

As depressed as many of you are, here is an uplifting reminder of good things that might be coming.

P	Team	W	L	PCT	GB
1	Chicago White Sox	51	88	0.367	-
2	Pittsburgh Pirates	62	77	0.446	11.0
3	Atlanta Braves	62	77	0.446	11.0
4	Minnesota Twins	62	76	0.449	11.5
5	Baltimore Orioles	63	76	0.453	12.0
6	Whatever Athletics	64	76	0.457	12.5
8	Miami Marlins	65	74	0.468	14.0
7	Los Angeles Angels	65	73	0.471	14.5
11	St. Louis Cardinals	69	71	0.493	17.5
10	Arizona Diamondbacks	69	71	0.493	17.5
9	Cleveland Guardians	68	69	0.496	18.0
13	Tampa Bay Rays	69	69	0.500	18.5
12	San Francisco Giants	70	69	0.504	19.0
14	Texas Rangers	72	68	0.514	20.5

[Rhyno006]

11,721 attendance per the box score last night. Woof indeed...

 

[T.O.]

31 minutes ago, Old Crow said:

It's not a BP it's a disaster in fact the entire game was a real dog and pony show.

Dogs and ponies are fun to watch. The Twins are painful to watch. 

[T.O.]

1 minute ago, Rhyno006 said:

11,721 attendance per the box score last night. Woof indeed...

 

Do the dogs have to buy a ticket? Do they get a seat of their own?

[terrydactyls]

10 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Martin, I love the guy, but he has no clue running the bases. It’s to the point now where it’s almost both comical and predictable.  Please get that kid some coaching.  

I did not see the game, but wa there any view of the third base coach while this was going on?  If he's signaling to tag up, it isn't Martin's fault.  If he's telling Martin to stay put, then it's Martin's fault.

[Woof Bronzer]

10 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

I said last night Davis might be the worst pitcher I’ve seen wearing a Twins uniform in 15 years. It’s actually worse than that. 

Remember, according to Derek Falvey the trade deadline sell off was an intentional effort to make the team better.  

[terrydactyls]

21 minutes ago, T.O. said:

I was thinking today about who my favorite players are. What I came up with was in recent years I like players for their potential and often remain loyal well past the time they prove they won't live up to their perceived potential. Then I think back to my favorite time in baseball the sixties and I'm shocked at our present lack of players like Harmon K and Tony O and Jim K. Not just high achieving stars but players we looked up to. I don't think we'll ever have stars like that again. Is it the big salaries? Have we changed as fans? Has baseball changed for the worse?
I think it may be all of the above.

Or it could be that with the Social Media of today, players never have a second to themselves.  I have no idea what the sixties and seventies players were doing in their off-time.  Easier to look up to someone who has more than half his life a secret.

[T.O.]

21 minutes ago, DuluthRoots said:

At least I learned the term "dog's breakfast" reading this article.

I had to look it up. According to Artie...
"Dog's breakfast" is a British informal idiom referring to something that is a messy, disorganized, or poorly executed mess, or a confused mixture of things. It can describe a chaotic physical space, a badly organized project, or even a general state of disarray."

The Twins certainly played like idioms. Maybe producing something more like the by-product of breakfast. Dis array of players is definitely a confused mixture that does not play as a team. More like individuals that don't have full awareness of themselves let alone that they are supposed to be a part of a unit intended to function together.

[T.O.]

2 minutes ago, terrydactyls said:

Or it could be that with the Social Media of today, players never have a second to themselves.  I have no idea what the sixties and seventies players were doing in their off-time.  Easier to look up to someone who has more than half his life a secret.

Social Media has probably had a negative impact on all of life. My impression from the 60s, 70s, 80s was that if there was something like George Brett hitting 400 the press would be all over him but otherwise the demands on players wasn't so great. Our expectations would have been less, more like hopes than expectations. 

Easier to look up to someone who has more than half his life a secret.

Certainly true.

 

[Parfigliano]

2 hours ago, shimrod said:

All according to plan. Twins organization is trying to tank for draft odds while maintaining a "try to win" attitude in the players.

Davis in the pen? Check. Martin at second? Check. Gasper on the roster? Check. Outman? Check.

The big question is will the team try to double up on tank seasons through the expected lockout in 2027. If they trade Ryan and Lopez we could be looking at a sub- $70M payroll in 2026. Draft another top five prospect and reset under a new CBA. 

 

That's the plan

[David Maro]

I know batting averages don't mean as much as before,but 3 in the lineup under 200 and 2 at 200. A #1 pitcher would be looking around thinking why me. 

This team has gone to the Dogs literally.

[DJL44]

10 hours ago, thelanges5 said:

“The Twins take their third crack at trying to win a game at home against the worst team in the American League on Wednesday.”

I think the Twins are now the worst team in the AL. 

They're trying really hard to be the worst team in the AL.

[DJL44]

5 minutes ago, David Maro said:

I know batting averages don't mean as much as before,but 3 in the lineup under 200 and 2 at 200.

They have 5 guys hitting below .200 on the roster, so I guess it could have been worse.

[DJL44]

55 minutes ago, T.O. said:

I was thinking today about who my favorite players are. What I came up with was in recent years I like players for their potential and often remain loyal well past the time they prove they won't live up to their perceived potential. Then I think back to my favorite time in baseball the sixties and I'm shocked at our present lack of players like Harmon K and Tony O and Jim K. Not just high achieving stars but players we looked up to. I don't think we'll ever have stars like that again. Is it the big salaries? Have we changed as fans? Has baseball changed for the worse?
I think it may be all of the above.

I think it's mostly that you're a grownup now and it's really hard to "look up to" a 25-year-old when you're over 50.

I'd say that Pablo Lopez and Byron Buxton are just as worthy of admiration as Jim Kaat and Tony Oliva. Joe Mauer hasn't done anything to tarnish his hometown hero reputation.

[PDX Twin]

10 hours ago, Dave Borton said:

Who needs a BP, anyways...

When the Twins call on a relief pitcher, BP stands for Batting Practice.

[USAFChief]

1 hour ago, terrydactyls said:

I did not see the game, but wa there any view of the third base coach while this was going on?  If he's signaling to tag up, it isn't Martin's fault.  If he's telling Martin to stay put, then it's Martin's fault.

The 3rd base coach plays zero role in the decision to try to tag and advance from 2nd.

In fact the 3rd base coach plays zero role in most baserunning decisions. 

[USAFChief]

1 hour ago, terrydactyls said:

As depressed as many of you are, here is an uplifting reminder of good things that might be coming.

P	Team	W	L	PCT	GB
1	Chicago White Sox	51	88	0.367	-
2	Pittsburgh Pirates	62	77	0.446	11.0
3	Atlanta Braves	62	77	0.446	11.0
4	Minnesota Twins	62	76	0.449	11.5
5	Baltimore Orioles	63	76	0.453	12.0
6	Whatever Athletics	64	76	0.457	12.5
8	Miami Marlins	65	74	0.468	14.0
7	Los Angeles Angels	65	73	0.471	14.5
11	St. Louis Cardinals	69	71	0.493	17.5
10	Arizona Diamondbacks	69	71	0.493	17.5
9	Cleveland Guardians	68	69	0.496	18.0
13	Tampa Bay Rays	69	69	0.500	18.5
12	San Francisco Giants	70	69	0.504	19.0
14	Texas Rangers	72	68	0.514	20.5

There is absolutely nothing uplifting about your posting of the Twins ineptitude in every recap.

Absolutely nothing. 

In fact, quite the opposite. 

[NYCTK]

1 hour ago, terrydactyls said:

Or it could be that with the Social Media of today, players never have a second to themselves.  I have no idea what the sixties and seventies players were doing in their off-time.  Easier to look up to someone who has more than half his life a secret.

It's less that. It's the same reason no TV show will ever rival the ratings of MASH ever again. Or why the singular blockbuster of 2025 is no longer as culturally relevant as Gone With The Wind or Star Wars. 

It's not that TV is worse, or movies are worse, and definitely isn't that baseball is worse. 

There's a constant stream of entertainment into anyone's brain at a moment's notice. The players today are better than those of yesteryear, but baseball, and sports, no longer has a monopoly on attention. Mr Beast is more popular with kids than Bobby Witt Jr, even though Witt is better than most of the stars you looked up to as a kid. 

 

[DJL44]

5 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

The 3rd base coach plays zero role in the decision to try to tag and advance from 2nd.

In fact the 3rd base coach plays zero role in most baserunning decisions. 

This is correct. If the player had to wait for the 3B coach to make all the decisions for him, he would miss many opportunities to advance by giving away valuable seconds. 3B coach is mainly there to help the runner decide whether or not to advance to home when the ball is behind him. On a tag play like that, with the ball in front of the baserunner, the decision is on the runner. The correct move is to take a few steps off 2B and watch the trajectory of the throw.

[Patzky]

2 hours ago, NYCTK said:

I think he just has terrible instincts or is completely unable to slow down the game. Explains why he's such a terrible fielder as well.

Too bad, with two good tools he could have been a valuable player. 

 

Hardly DHworthy but we have trotted out worse.

[Patzky]

16 minutes ago, PDX Twin said:

When the Twins call on a relief pitcher, BP stands for Batting Practice.

Starters better get used to going 7 innings the rest of the year.

[NYCTK]

Just now, Patzky said:

Hardly DHworthy but we have trotted out worse.

I think I'd rather see him in the bullpen. 

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, Patzky said:

Starters better get used to going 7 innings the rest of the year.

Seven? Innings??

From one guy???

Is that even legal?