Ope, Didn't Mean to Let You Have Hope

[laloesch]

10 minutes ago, weitz41 said:

Disappointing day yesterday. But from the "right sizing payroll" comment this was bound to happen if the sale of the team didn't happen quickly.

If I put on my rose-colored glasses the starting pitching actually improved, offense is about the same and of course the BP is a wasteland. Who need a BP when you're going to score 2 runs a game.

Bring up K. Culpepper (from AA), Martin, Julien, Maybe Eeles and activate Keashall, Morris, Raya, Lewis, Priellip and Urena for the BP. Roll with it. Don't have the exact number their short on players..;p

I agree.  The starting pitching will probably be okay for a while, but the bullpen has been devastated and the lineup is now full of holes like swiss cheese.  They better start calling up guys and quickly.

[shimrod]

From MLB

	08/01/25	Minnesota Twins activated LF Alan Roden.
	08/01/25	Minnesota Twins recalled RHP Travis Adams from St. Paul Saints.
	08/01/25	Minnesota Twins recalled RHP Pierson Ohl from St. Paul Saints.
	08/01/25	Minnesota Twins recalled 2B Edouard Julien from St. Paul Saints.
	08/01/25	Minnesota Twins recalled 3B Ryan Fitzgerald from St. Paul Saints.
	08/01/25	Minnesota Twins recalled CF Austin Martin from St. Paul Saints.

[Mike Sixel]

That AAA OF is stacked! 

[S Bart]

Simply an awesome podcast from Twins Skor North Show today. Phil, Judd, Declon THANK YOU!!

 

[shimrod]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

There better not be a salary cap. All that does is put money in owner's pockets. 

The league needs to improve competitive balance. The critical factor is sharing media revenue. If a salary cap is the trade off for pooling and sharing broadcast rights it's well worth it.

[S Bart]

46 minutes ago, Muppet said:

I'm sure Dobby will be just fine. Toledo is probably a great city. 

No bearded wonder...The Dobber...Saint Paul just will not be the same 😭 Hey..Pohlads ..you made him a millionaire..thanks for the memories

[shimrod]

Couple more from MLB

08/01/25Minnesota Twins selected the contract of RHP Erasmo Ramírez from St. Paul Saints.

08/01/25Minnesota Twins selected the contract of RHP José Ureña from St. Paul Saints.

[Mike Sixel]

10 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Simply an awesome podcast from Twins Skor North Show today. Phil, Judd, Declon THANK YOU!!

 

The only core they got rid of is CC. That's it. Nothing else has changed in the core. 

[Battle ur tail off]

2 hours ago, Peter said:

 Just bring competitive hard nosed baseball every game!!! It’s all going to work out!! Let’s go twins!! 

That is the problem, you can't do that with Rocco and Falvey in charge. They don't believe in this kind of ball.

[Battle ur tail off]

2 hours ago, NYCTK said:

You all are way underestimating the return for Varland.

Kendry Rojas had really good numbers in A+ and only has a handful of appearances in high minors as a 22 year old. "He looks like a backend starter right now and has a chance to develop into more of a true no. 4 type if he can find a more enticing breaking ball." 

A hammer 8th inning guy is worth more than a guy with a ceiling of #4 starter. If that is all this guys is worth then it's really not very smart. 

Twins have always done this. Quantity instead of quality. It has never worked for them. Don't trade controllable pieces or sign #4 and 5 starters. Draft and develop them, or bring them in with trades for expiring contracts.

[NYCTK]

2 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

A hammer 8th inning guy is worth more than a guy with a ceiling of #4 starter. If that is all this guys is worth then it's really not very smart. 

I simply don't agree and don't think anyone inside baseball does either. Just looking at the contracts of players we can see how much more the 40th highest paid SP is paid than the 20th highest paid RP. Feel like that's a pretty fair assessment. 

$17 Million vs $8.7 Million. 

Baseball front offices value SP more than RP and no team has prioritized money building up a super bullpen when that money can be spent elsewhere. 

RP are almost always failed SP. 

[Danchat]

21 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

The only core they got rid of is CC. That's it. Nothing else has changed in the core. 

I get that relievers are fickle and individually aren't "core" pieces, but wasn't this bullpen that had been built up over the past few years part of the core? Especially when four of them had 2+ years of control.

[Fred]

1 hour ago, S Bart said:

Nobody seems to mention losing Dobnak. Did you forget about Randy? 

About 4 years too late on that one.

[old nurse]

4 hours ago, ToddlerHarmon said:

Subtitled: How the Pohlad Kids Lost a Billion Dollars in Franchise Value.

They didn't have to sign Gray, or Kepler. One $20M/year slugging first baseman, instead of "right-sizing", and maybe the last 2 years we don't collapse.

Correa showed them how it could be done, and they weren't interested.

The only 20 million dollar slugging first baseman signed by any team was Christian Walker. He has the same OPS as Ty France. Last year Carlos Santana was not the cause of the collapse.  He was a slugging first baseman, but not this year. His OPS is about the same as France’s 

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, Danchat said:

I get that relievers are fickle and individually aren't "core" pieces, but wasn't this bullpen that had been built up over the past few years part of the core? Especially when four of them had 2+ years of control.

I don't think that's the core that was killing them, and they clearly think they are easily replaceable. But, sure, we can call that a former core.

[BaconFighters]

Best article I've ever seen written on Twins Daily. EXACT, SPOT-ON TRUTH!

[Dawgzilla]

You thought attendance was bad...just wait.  Remember the A's last year in the Colesium?  That is this team and next year's.  Season ticket holders should ask for their money back, let alone not renew.  The MLB commissioner should have halted the assault on the Twins roster yesterday.  Now, especially now, there are the big money teams. ...and the the rest, meaning no chance.  Good luck with that!  By the way Harper can f off.  MLB needs a cap floor and ceiling.  Period!

[TwinsDr2021]

5 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

I simply don't agree and don't think anyone inside baseball does either. Just looking at the contracts of players we can see how much more the 40th highest paid SP is paid than the 20th highest paid RP. Feel like that's a pretty fair assessment. 

$17 Million vs $8.7 Million. 

Baseball front offices value SP more than RP and no team has prioritized money building up a super bullpen when that money can be spent elsewhere. 

RP are almost always failed SP. 

Don't disagree with what you initial assessment is, but the 40th starting pitcher is basically a one, two or three depending on the team, shouldn't the comparison be like the 120 -150th starting pitcher? I know this won't work either because quite a few in the top end of both are going to be on cheaper contracts. 

The idea that a FA 4th or 5th starting pitcher is going to make twice that of one of the better relief pitchers in baseball, I would think isn't an accurate statement. 

Pivetta got 4/55, Janse 1/10, Flaherty 2/35, Kahnle 1/7.75, Yates 1/13, Hoffman 3/33, Lorenzen 1/7, I think the salary of top RP compared to a 4/5 starter is much closer than you are implying. 

[NYCTK]

41 minutes ago, shimrod said:

The critical factor is sharing media revenue.

FURTHER sharing media revenue. They share about half right now. 

People act as though there's no revenue sharing at all. 

 

11 minutes ago, Danchat said:

I get that relievers are fickle and individually aren't "core" pieces, but wasn't this bullpen that had been built up over the past few years part of the core? Especially when four of them had 2+ years of control.

If your core is mostly failed SP then you failed and you should start over.

[T.O.]

3 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

The thrill of victory AND THE AGONY OF DEFEAT. My Houston Astro friend texted me a thank you for returning  his merchandise and for paying for the shipping. I couldn't even think of a clever reply, because he was correct.

Since it's Correa I would say DA AGONY OF DA FEET.

[TwinsDr2021]

4 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

If your core is mostly failed SP then you failed and you should start over.

Going to correct your statement, you should be fired and the team should start over. 

[Craig Arko]

I shouldn’t be too concerned about people developing hope around these parts. Seems unlikely. 

[NYCTK]

2 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Don't disagree with what you initial assessment is, but the 40th starting pitcher is basically a one, two or three depending on the team, shouldn't the comparison be like the 120 -150th starting pitcher?

I decided to scale it down, since most players in the league are not paid full wages. Maybe doubling the sale and looking at 80 and 40 instead (7.75 vs 5.20). So that's about 50% more instead of the 100%. So, the point remains but less dramatically.  

 

[NYCTK]

2 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Going to correct your statement, you should be fired and the team should start over. 

Ha, true. I am not advocating for Falvey at all. Nor Rocco. That man should have obviously been fired last offseason. 

[TheLeviathan]

24 minutes ago, Danchat said:

I get that relievers are fickle and individually aren't "core" pieces, but wasn't this bullpen that had been built up over the past few years part of the core? Especially when four of them had 2+ years of control.

I think the answer is yes.  Also....part of the problem.

The bullpen can't be your overwhelming source of strength.  Even the vaunted Royals pen from not that long ago still had to have some dudes get them the lead.  

[Charleo]

3 hours ago, Peter said:

Twins are in transition!!! Never thought this type of moves would happen but it did!!! Needed to be done!!! Lockout in ‘27 will happen as there needs to be salary cap to give small town teams a chance to compete against big city teams. Let’s see how the children do! No pressure or expectations! Just bring competitive hard nosed baseball every game!!! It’s all going to work out!! Let’s go twins!! 

The Twins are not, and have never been, a small town team.   Depending how market size is determined, Minneapolis/St.Paul is between the 11th and 15th largest market in MLB.  The Pohlad's have conditioned us to think we are small market because they function as small town (cheap) owners.   

[TheLeviathan]

4 hours ago, LastOnePicked said:

I sometimes wonder how ultra-wealthy people became, or remain, ultra-wealthy. With the Pohlads, I'm completely stumped. Based on the way this franchise is run, I'm not even sure if they have the wits to tie their shoes.

But here's my big fear: yesterday's sell-off indicates to me that they're taking the team off the market. I can imagine them fielding a league-minimum salary club, milking revenue sharing for profits until 2030 and using those profits to pay off their personal debts. Then maybe they'll put the team up for sale again.

I don't mind some bumpy rebuild years. I mind if the Pohlads are involved in any way.

First off....100% agreed.  This deadline reinforced my fears that they're keeping the team.  I hope I'm wrong.

To your first paragraph?  It would take staggering incompetence to lose billions.  Especially when we've allowed billionaires to make the rules, privatize the profits, socialize their losses, and never be bound by the law.

Not to be political, but it's far past time people see that we left capitalism awhile ago and have pretended cronyism is the same thing.

[NYCTK]

9 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

First off....100% agreed.  This deadline reinforced my fears that they're keeping the team.  I hope I'm wrong.

To your first paragraph?  It would take staggering incompetence to lose billions.  Especially when we've allowed billionaires to make the rules, privatize the profits, socialize their losses, and never be bound by the law.

Not to be political, but it's far past time people see that we left capitalism awhile ago and have pretended cronyism is the same thing.

What if we once again tried to have the world's richest man cut more programs and kill more poor people? Would that help? 

[The Great Hambino]

4 hours ago, LastOnePicked said:

But here's my big fear: yesterday's sell-off indicates to me that they're taking the team off the market

I share that fear the more I think about it.

If the rationale behind the sell-off was to prep the team for sale ... then why didn't they do it last year when they made the team available for sale?

Also, Manfred recently said he was confident a sale will happen, and he can't approach a microphone without stepping on a rake (remember how we were going to hear all about the TV package replacement for ESPN at the all-star break?), so that certainly doesn't help my doubts in this area

[TheLeviathan]

4 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

What if we once again tried to have the world's richest man cut more programs and kill more poor people? Would that help? 

I mean....starving children can't hire lobbyists so it should work fine.