Mariners 5, Twins 4: Mariners walk-off the Twins in 11

[Sjoski]

17 minutes ago, 1985Fan said:

However, if Wallner does a standard feet-first baseball slide instead of the tumble he did, he would have been safe.

Your comment made he go look at Wallner slide....I mean...who slides like this?

Do I slide head (hands) first or feet first??

Let's try both!!!

 

[1985Fan]

8 minutes ago, Sjoski said:

Your comment made he go look at Wallner slide....I mean...who slides like this?

Do I slide head (hands) first or feet first??

Let's try both!!!

 

Excellent picture! That perfectly illustrates the poor slide. His feet are away from the plate, his body is upright instead of horizontal, and he’s attempting a feet - first slide(?) but trying to touch the plate with his hands instead of his foot. Terrible slide. Second base-running error of the game for him. Close games against good teams come down to which team executes and which team doesn’t. 

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, Jack207 said:

Not a fan of Tommy Watkins either. He has to be one of the worst third base coaches in baseball.

I think I've heard that said about every 3B coach the Twins have ever had. BTW - who do you think is the best 3B coach in baseball? No fair looking up people's names after the question is asked.

[Twins_Fan_For_Life]

I was camping and missed the game. How bad was the umpiring behind the plate?

[LambchoP]

Wallner getting doubled off at 2nd and Watkins sending a slow Wallner home with no outs were just inexcusable and might have lost us the game. Putting Alcala out there in a one run game was stupid too, we all knew what was going to happen. Alcala, Funderburk and Lewis need a trip to AAA. Problem is, I don't know who replaces Lewis as an infielder. Pen wise, I'd go with Adams or Macgaghen. Maybe SWR could be a 2-3 inning long relief pitcher for awhile. Would really save the pen some innings. We can't throw out Varland Jax and Duran every day.....

[DJL44]

30 minutes ago, Sjoski said:

Your comment made he go look at Wallner slide....I mean...who slides like this?

Do I slide head (hands) first or feet first??

Let's try both!!!

 

You can see in the photo that the path for a feet-first slide was gone (Garver blocked that path with his knee after he received the throw). His only chance was to go around the tag and slap the plate, like he tried to execute. FWIW - the slap missed the plate.

[DJL44]

8 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_For_Life said:

I was camping and missed the game. How bad was the umpiring behind the plate?

The zone was one ball lower than the zone on the screen. Balls at the top of the zone and strikes at the bottom.

[joefish]

I thought Buxton's 3-pitch whiff killed us. 

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, 1985Fan said:

However, if Wallner does a standard feet-first baseball slide instead of the tumble he did, he would have been safe. Or a head first slide with his arm outstretched and body away from home would have worked as well. Wallner is 6’4” so a feet-first slide with his height would have his feet crossing the plate before the tag. 

There is no slide that scores the run on a competent catcher by this point:

[bean5302]

12 hours ago, FlyingFinn said:

The Mariners win by using speed off the bench to pinch run for Garver. Without Kiersey, you see how slow the Twins bench is (Jeffers, France, Lewis and Bride).

Keirsey is not good. He's not good on the base paths even if he is fast, and he's truly a black hole at the plate. If the Twins want a pinch runner, they could just call up their fastest player from rookie ball.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

3 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

I loved the game - sometimes even a loss can be enjoyable - that is baseball!

This game does highlight the TD article on how much our RP are being used - not much choice in an extra innings but two more innings by Ober and we save two RP.

I do agree with the comments on Alcala - time to move on.

It was an interesting game to watch Mike. I enjoyed Adam Wainwright's inciteful comments during the game about pitching and the interview during the game with Pablo Lopez was a classic interview, which showed the difference between  "pitchers" and "throwers".  Pablo Lopez has surpassed Camilo Pascual as my favorite Twins pitcher of all time. 

[bean5302]

1 hour ago, Sjoski said:

Your comment made he go look at Wallner slide....I mean...who slides like this?

Do I slide head (hands) first or feet first??

Let's try both!!!

 

 

1 hour ago, 1985Fan said:

Excellent picture! That perfectly illustrates the poor slide. His feet are away from the plate, his body is upright instead of horizontal, and he’s attempting a feet - first slide(?) but trying to touch the plate with his hands instead of his foot. Terrible slide. Second base-running error of the game for him. Close games against good teams come down to which team executes and which team doesn’t. 

Well played if you're trying to take something out of context and re-frame it.


Wallner wasn't trying to slide into home. He was out by two country miles. He was trying to get low while contorting his body away from the glove to avoid a tag from the catcher in the hope part of his body could reach the plate. Raleigh already has the ball here and he's holding it in Wallner's path with Wallner still 6 feet from home.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

My eye test and the TV strike zone box seemed to show that home plate umpire, Mr. Austin Jones, was awful at calling balls and strikes last night. In fact he has replaced retired  umpires, Joe West and Angel Hernandez  (they were tied), as my least favorite umpire.

[bean5302]

When it comes to Alcala, I don't want to see him back in AAA. I want him gone. Released. Period. No more wasted time, effort and materials as he will not improve in this organization. 

[1985Fan]

52 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

 

Well played if you're trying to take something out of context and re-frame it.


Wallner wasn't trying to slide into home. He was out by two country miles. He was trying to get low while contorting his body away from the glove to avoid a tag from the catcher in the hope part of his body could reach the plate. Raleigh already has the ball here and he's holding it in Wallner's path with Wallner still 6 feet from home.

First, it wasn’t Raleigh making the tag, it was Garver. Your picture makes it look like he was out by a mile, but that is distorted. Garver had to catch and make the sweep to just get the out. Had Wallner slid normally and gotten lower to the ground using his feet to tag the plate, I believe he would have been safe. 

[Mike Sixel]

The site both believes the big three pitchers are over used, and Alcala shouldn't pitch..... Not sure what the manager should do....

[Danchat]

I think it's time to shake up the bottom of the rotation, Alcala and Funderburk aren't getting it done and it's time to admit defeat on Jorge. Hopefully Coloumbe will be back soon, and maybe they can give Travis Adams (already using an option this year) or try out Misiewicz for a bit.

Watkins seems to make brutal calls regularly as the 3B coach, but it's hard to say how bad at the job he is compared to the rest of the league as I don't have any idea which teams have good ones. It doesn't seem like he is improving at the job, though.

[Sjoski]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

There is no slide that scores the run on a competent catcher by this point:

Agreed...that image reveals a better sense of how helpless the runner was.

Yet...a perfectly executed hook slide probably avoids the tag and he gets his hand in under the tag...maybe.

Highly doubt Wallner is a candidate for such athleticism.  

It's hard to be a 3rd case coach.

In a split second you have to decide. 

Do I want bases loaded and no outs or take the risk to score.

If I'm wrong...still have a runner at 2nd with one out.

Tough call to make.

Easy to judge in retrospect. 

 

 

 

[bean5302]

45 minutes ago, 1985Fan said:

First, it wasn’t Raleigh making the tag, it was Garver. Your picture makes it look like he was out by a mile, but that is distorted. Garver had to catch and make the sweep to just get the out. Had Wallner slid normally and gotten lower to the ground using his feet to tag the plate, I believe he would have been safe. 

Sorry, Garver. The image is distorted? The ball is in the glove. The glove is in between Garver and Wallner. Fix feet before Wallner gets there. It's over. You are wrong. There is no debate here. You are absolutely 100% dead wrong with no reasonable argument to make. You're just making yourself look like an idiot at this point.

[1985Fan]

6 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

Sorry, Garver. The image is distorted? The ball is in the glove. The glove is in between Garver and Wallner. Fix feet before Wallner gets there. It's over. You are wrong. There is no debate here. You are absolutely 100% dead wrong with no reasonable argument to make. You're just making yourself look like an idiot at this point.

I watched the play during the game in real time and that was my reaction without replay. I do not think I’m wrong. I do think the play was much closer than your picture makes it out to be when seen live. A good slide would have forced Garver to have to make a better play rather than sliding right into him. That is a reasonable argument. 
You’re entitled to your opinion, but not calling people names. You’re out of line. 

[bean5302]

9 minutes ago, 1985Fan said:

I watched the play during the game in real time and that was my reaction without replay. I do not think I’m wrong. I do think the play was much closer than your picture makes it out to be when seen live. A good slide would have forced Garver to have to make a better play rather than sliding right into him. That is a reasonable argument. 
You’re entitled to your opinion, but not calling people names. You’re out of line. 

You watched the game, and in the heat of the moment, riding the high emotions you felt the play was closer than it actually was.

Somebody presented you with a picture which was intentionally manipulated to be out of context (and it was intentional) which supported your frustration and you accepted it because it felt good as people like to be right.

When presented with a picture from the same film that showed the full context of the situation better, you rejected it because nobody likes being wrong. Then you accused the person who provided you with the full picture of manipulation when it's clear the first image was the manipulated one.

I insulted what I considered to be your unreasonable behavior. Not you.

[David Maro]

If it was Lewis Watkins would have held him up because of the hamstring so why send Wallner who has the same issue.

[mikelink45]

6 hours ago, DJL44 said:

Agree, a very good game to watch and a fun battle in this series.

Ober threw a lot of pitches. If it makes you feel any better, Seattle's bullpen is just as depleted as the Twins.

Not much solace there, but thanks for trying

[mikelink45]

3 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

It was an interesting game to watch Mike. I enjoyed Adam Wainwright's inciteful comments during the game about pitching and the interview during the game with Pablo Lopez was a classic interview, which showed the difference between  "pitchers" and "throwers".  Pablo Lopez has surpassed Camilo Pascual as my favorite Twins pitcher of all time. 

I still lean to Camilo

[h2oface]

5 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

1) Nobody is trading for Alcala as there are guys all over MiLB that have good/great stuff but can’t “pitch”. They’re not biting with an ERA of over 7.00 and 6 walks per 9. He gets better or they release him at this point.

Have you noticed pitchers WE sign over the years? Lots of teams would trade for the next Ryan Pressly. 
 

Teams are signing way worse pitchers than Alcala with way worse stuff all the time. 

[mnfireman]

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