Garlick signed

[Linus]

Didn’t see this one. So much for adding another right handed hitting outfielder with upside. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

I'm fine with using Garlick as the right-handed 26th man on the roster. He's a good, cheap fit for that role.

[DJL44]

22 minutes ago, Linus said:

Didn’t see this one. So much for adding another right handed hitting outfielder with upside. 

It's a contract for $750k. That doesn't prevent the Twins from adding someone else later and putting Garlick on waivers.

[Linus]

5 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

It's a contract for $750k. That doesn't prevent the Twins from adding someone else later and putting Garlick on waivers.

Yep but it is a 40 man spot for rule 5 purposes. 

[DJL44]

3 minutes ago, Linus said:

Yep but it is a 40 man spot for rule 5 purposes. 

They're going to have at least 2 spots open during the Rule 5 draft and I doubt they draft anyone.

[RpR]

The bat they know vs the rookie they do not, Twins win.

[Vanimal46]

14 minutes ago, Linus said:

Yep but it is a 40 man spot for rule 5 purposes. 

If we’re anticipating making picks in the rule 5 draft we have bigger problems. 

[Vanimal46]

This is like the Jake Cave deal last year. Won’t prevent future, better signings. He can be DFA’d when someone better comes along. 

[Doctor Gast]

Another poor start, when we are of need of many open 40 man open spots

[Squirrel]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/twins-kyle-garlick-avoid-arbitration.html

[RpR]

The bias against Garlick here is obvious , but then, Cave is gone but then, I do wish Garlick's fielding numbers were better..

Well bring up more rookies like Rooker, Badoo etc. , they fail , bring up some more , wishful thinking has gotten the Twins so many wins, LOL.

[Nine of twelve]

41 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I'm fine with using Garlick as the right-handed 26th man on the roster. He's a good, cheap fit for that role.

I'd rather use him as about the 30th man on the roster - sixth-string outfielder, logging time at St. Paul to try to stay sharp for the occasional call-up during the season.

[Vanimal46]

7 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said:

I'd rather use him as about the 30th man on the roster - sixth-string outfielder, logging time at St. Paul to try to stay sharp for the occasional call-up during the season.

That’s likely where he ends up on the depth chart on opening day 2023. He’s making $50k more than the league minimum. MLB Trade Rumors had him projected at $1.1 million for arbitration and they’re generally accurate with their projections. Instead of rolling the dice as a FA, he took the guaranteed cash. Can’t blame him. 

[CRF]

Oh boy. 

[Rosterman]

Twins did the same for Cave last year, paying him $800,000 to play in St. Paul after removing him from the 40-man...like he was going to walk away from that contract.

They could do the same with Garlick, if they choose.

A removable player if youy make the right free-agent signing. Plus a veteran who will offer depth, if you can keep him at AAA.

[stringer bell]

I am meh about signing Garlick. Despite his success against lefties, he really wasn't useful last year because he suffered so many injuries. He does have an option left IIRC, so he can be sent to St. Paul and the salary isn't a real problem. 

[Major League Ready]

12 hours ago, RpR said:

The bias against Garlick here is obvious , but then, Cave is gone but then, I do wish Garlick's fielding numbers were better..

Well bring up more rookies like Rooker, Badoo etc. , they fail , bring up some more , wishful thinking has gotten the Twins so many wins, LOL.

Heard an interview with Chris Antonetti a couple days ago.  Cleveland debuted 17 rookies this year.  Mid and small market teams absolutely must develop and insert young talent.  This is blatantly obvious if you look at how any of the successful below average revenue teams were built.  Oakland / Tampa / Milwaukee are other recent examples.  Even Houston with above average revenue was built primarily on developing prospects.  Your constant harping against young players suggests a complete lack of awareness to the rest of the league and how successful small and mid-market teams are built.  

I would bet you can't show me a successful below average revenue team where 80% of their WAR did not come from players that were drafted or traded for with less than 500 ABs or less than 150 IP.  Are you open minded enough to check the facts.  Just go to Fan Graphs and pull up any successful team from the last couple decades and look at how the players were acquired.

[TopGunn#22]

I'm with Major League Ready on this one.  Signing Garlick doesn't get me excited in the least, but he's purely a depth signing as a RH bat with all the LH bats the Twins have for their OF (Kepler, Kirilloff, Larnach, Wallner).  This could very well pave the way for a Kepler or Larnach trade.  Garlick could spend much of his time at St. Paul and be called up if a rash of injuries decimates the OF like last year.  But as Major League Ready pointed out, teams with middling payrolls like the the Twins and Cleveland MUST migrate their top prospects up to the big leagues on a consistent basis.  The pipeline must ALWAYS be OPEN.  

[TwinsDr2021]

1 hour ago, Major League Ready said:

Heard an interview with Chris Antonetti a couple days ago.  Cleveland debuted 17 rookies this year.  Mid and small market teams absolutely must develop and insert young talent.  This is blatantly obvious if you look at how any of the successful below average revenue teams were built.  Oakland / Tampa / Milwaukee are other recent examples.  Even Houston with above average revenue was built primarily on developing prospects.  Your constant harping against young players suggests a complete lack of awareness to the rest of the league and how successful small and mid-market teams are built.  

I would bet you can't show me a successful below average revenue team where 80% of their WAR did not come from players that were drafted or traded for with less than 500 ABs or less than 150 IP.  Are you open minded enough to check the facts.  Just go to Fan Graphs and pull up any successful team from the last couple decades and look at how the players were acquired.

If at any point there is a top prospect that is hot in AA or AAA and he doesn't come up because Garlick is blocking him this is a fail. If they can treat him like Cave last year then is good deal for the Twins 750K doesn't stop them from signing anybody.

 

[Major League Ready]

35 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

If at any point there is a top prospect that is hot in AA or AAA and he doesn't come up because Garlick is blocking him this is a fail. If they can treat him like Cave last year then is good deal for the Twins 750K doesn't stop them from signing anybody.

 

If you look back, I was responding to a post from RpR.  To paraphrase, he was basically saving good we signed garlick because we should avoid rookies.   So, we are in agreement in general in terms of transitioning our good prospects.  I don't know why you would think signing Garlick for 750K would be any impediment at all.  

[mac098]

This isn't the end of the world. He can provide RH hitting and serviceable defense in LF. Also, he is only making $750k so if we decide to roll the dice and make a trade or sign another RH OF, we can always DFA him. Its not like another team is going to want to pick him up. He's had injuries, can't really hit Righty's, and he isn't a great fielder. He is average to slightly below average. 

[TwinsDr2021]

35 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

If you look back, I was responding to a post from RpR.  To paraphrase, he was basically saving good we signed garlick because we should avoid rookies.   So, we are in agreement in general in terms of transitioning our good prospects.  I don't know why you would think signing Garlick for 750K would be any impediment at all.  

I was agreeing with you and if Garlick is a Plan C if Larnach, AK, Martin, Wallner or somebody else is hurt or not performing he can step in like Cave did last year then it is an OK signing, if it does impede anybody than it is just another failure by this FO.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I was agreeing with you and if Garlick is a Plan C if Larnach, AK, Martin, Wallner or somebody else is hurt or not performing he can step in like Cave did last year then it is an OK signing, if it does impede anybody than it is just another failure by this FO.

The reason Garlick is better than Cave is because you just listed Larnach, Kirilloff, and Wallner, who are all left-handed (as is Cave). Jake Cave was a problem on this roster for years because he's also left-handed.

Right now, the Twins' main competition for the two corner OF spots are: Kepler, Larnach, Kirilloff, Wallner, and Gordon.

Five left-handed hitters.

Garlick is a valuable resource for that reason. He's not competing with any of those guys, he's complementary to all five of them.

[Nine of twelve]

The ideal major league roster has 4 outfielders plus a utility player who can play outfield when needed. Two should be able to bat L and at least one of those should be able to play CF. Two should be able to bat R and at least one of those should be able to play CF. Considering our currently rostered players that probably means Larnach, Kepler, Buxton and either Celestino or Garlick with Gordon playing utility and Kirilloff taking over at 1B. My hope is that Celestino continues to mature and that his hitting improves enough to keep Garlick at AAA.

[Squirrel]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

If at any point there is a top prospect that is hot in AA or AAA and he doesn't come up because Garlick is blocking him this is a fail. If they can treat him like Cave last year then is good deal for the Twins 750K doesn't stop them from signing anybody.

 

Exactly. I view this kind of as a nothing signing, and very similar to what we did with Cave last year except that Garlick is a righty.

[stringer bell]

35 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Right now, the Twins' main competition for the two corner OF spots are: Kepler, Larnach, Kirilloff, Wallner, and Gordon.

Five left-handed hitters.

Garlick is a valuable resource for that reason. He's not competing with any of those guys, he's complementary to all five of them.

Garlick will be 31 when Spring Training starts. He missed time with not one, not two, not three, but four injuries. I guess the Twins think he’ll be healthier this coming year. I thought that the Twins could find a better higher-upside option. The 40-man spot is much more important than the salary. 

[stringer bell]

3 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Exactly. I view this kind of as a nothing signing, and very similar to what we did with Cave last year except that Garlick is a righty.

Cave wasn't on the 40-man roster when they signed him. As I said above, the $ investment isn't important, but the 40-man spot has value.

[Riverbrian]

9 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

Cave wasn't on the 40-man roster when they signed him. As I said above, the $ investment isn't important, but the 40-man spot has value.

Agreed - The 40 man spot has enormous value - Starting Pitchers and Relievers are going to take up the majority of 40 man space. 

It leaves no room to screw around on the position player side. 

We have an entire off-season to go, keeping a 40 man spot remains to be seen so I won't personally react at this moment in time. 

 

 

[RpR]

4 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

Heard an interview with Chris Antonetti a couple days ago.  Cleveland debuted 17 rookies this year.  Mid and small market teams absolutely must develop and insert young talent.  This is blatantly obvious if you look at how any of the successful below average revenue teams were built.  Oakland / Tampa / Milwaukee are other recent examples.  Even Houston with above average revenue was built primarily on developing prospects.  Your constant harping against young players suggests a complete lack of awareness to the rest of the league and how successful small and mid-market teams are built.  

I would bet you can't show me a successful below average revenue team where 80% of their WAR did not come from players that were drafted or traded for with less than 500 ABs or less than 150 IP.  Are you open minded enough to check the facts.  Just go to Fan Graphs and pull up any successful team from the last couple decades and look at how the players were acquired.

Technically Garlick is still a rookie, so what is  your point; it was not turning the Twins into a AAA team that made the team a winner in 2019.

The teams you mentioned were not built on  -- Bring up so and so and so and so, cause maybe... wishful thinking -- that permeates this site.

We will see next Spring Training who looks good and who still belongs in St.Paul.

[Mike Sixel]

Some people are nervous about a 750K signing, who can be removed from the 40 man roster if needed? I'm confused.

Every team outside a handful has guys who have one or two jobs. Garlick is that guy in MN until they get another RH OF. He can literally be removed from the 40 man at any point if needed.