Game Thread "Get Away" Twins vs Rangers 12:10pm cdt 5/6/2021 ad

[Twinfan603]

For anyone who still thinks "it's early": https://www.mlb.com/news/slowest-starts-by-teams-that-made-playoffs

 

The Twins would need to go 11-9 over the next 20 games to match the worst 50-game performance by a team that would go on to win the division that year, something that's been done just 4 times in 25 years.

 

It's probably time to start scouting the 2022 MLB Draft.

[jun]

 

The lineup not hitting is not Rocco’s fault; A reliever who’s been rock solid thus far giving up a game-tying HR to catcher I’ve never heard of is not Rocco’s fault; Phil Cuzzi being an a-s-s is not Rocco’s fault

Falvey, I can understand but not Baldelli.

Pulling Pineda is definitely his fault. He just never learns from his mistake. Not getting players to perform at the major league level is also his fault. I think he needs to go. Falvey should be next.

[Mike Sixel]

 

i mean, you could blame him for pulling his starter at 86 pitches

 

completely different topic, right? How is it his fault they don't drive in a runner on 2nd consistently in extra innings? 

[Otto von Ballpark]

6-11 at home now. So much for home field advantage.

We should have kept the DOME field advantage!

[SF Twins Fan]

 

probably at the same point sano is released.

 

so, a while.

Does Sano have options left? There is no reason he should be on the MLB roster right now. They should have sent him down for a conditioning stint if he didn't have options. He's an automatic out.

 

 

[Aggies7]

 

completely different topic, right? How is it his fault they don't drive in a runner on 2nd consistently in extra innings? 

no one said it was. at least not this time.

[Vanimal46]

 

Pictured: 2021 Twins Season

[cHawk]

Pulling Pineda is definitely his fault. He just never learns from his mistake. Not getting players to perform at the major league level is also his fault. I think he needs to go. Falvey should be next.

Pulling Pineda, I agree. At some point the hitters themselves need accountability, tho.

[Aggies7]

 

Does Sano have options left? There is no reason he should be on the MLB roster right now. They should have sent him down for a conditioning stint if he didn't have options. He's an automatic out.

honestly, this is his 7th year. how much longer til we cut our losses?

[rickybeathard]

 

Roster changes needed?  maybe not an overhaul, but sure would send some guys down to play everyday and learn to hit the baseball.  Or maybe, just maybe Cruz isn't the mentor clubhouse leader we thought he was with Sano and others.  How many games have we had double digits K's.  Bomba Mentality, live and die by the long ball.  Team is awful thus far

 

I'm probably only posting this because I'm pissed off right now, but Cruz honestly comes off as obnoxious and unfocused in the mic'ed up videos that I've seen him in. He's mainly just berates Astudillo to an extent that wouldn't be tolerated in any workplace outside of MLB. It's also kind of funny, but Astudillo is the least of the team's problems right now... I would argue he is actually kind of having a quietly good season. However one could argue that the problem is that someone like him is getting regular playing time, which wouldn't happen on a team that actually has good players/doesn't have the injury troubles that we do. 

[SF Twins Fan]

 

honestly, this is his 7th year. how much longer til we cut our losses?

Fair enough.

[Mike Sixel]

 

no one said it was. at least not this time.

 

It mostly isn't his fault right now....the hitters aren't hitting, and the bullpen is unbelievably bad. He's not without fault, but people are saying he should be fired after this game....so, sure, people are blaming him for the offense not scoring more than 3 runs, again.

 

I'm still waiting for the FO to develop some players.....

[TouchEmAllGuy]

Starting to come to the realization that this team is just bad. I keep thinking they are going to turn it around, but man this is pathetic to watch. 

[Vanimal46]

MLB’s gonna have to throw away the Twins extra inning stats as an outlier when analyzing the runner on 2B rule. 7/7 allowing an opponent to score.

[jun]

 

Hate to repeat a comment I made in another thread after the heat of battle, but I think we're seeing this team for what it really is - a non-contender. It's time to shift from a mindset of playing mediocre vets to stay a game or 3 more competitive and to move to developing younger players so we can hit the ground running next year. Moves to make ASAP:

 

Shoemaker released, Thorpe back up in the rotation (as soon as the rules allow).

Cave demoted or released, Larnach up. 

Law up, Theilbar down.

Sano to AAA to find his swing when Kirilloff ready to come off the IL. 

Find high leverage innings for Alcala, room for relievers from AAA.

 

Let's face it guys, this team doesn't have "it" that you need to contend. Better to get our younger players ready now than to keep older vets that don't really meaningfully contribute and aren't part of the future. Release them now and they can find a place to catch on. 

Shoemaker should be demoted to the bullpen. Thorpe and Law should be brought up. Stashak should be demoted. Colome should be sent to the IL. Cave should be released. Broxton should take Cave's spot on the roster.

[Mike Sixel]

 

honestly, this is his 7th year. how much longer til we cut our losses?

 

Not sure I understand, were they supposed to cut their losses before this year? If not, you'd do so after 1 month?

[D. Hocking]

 

Does Sano have options left? There is no reason he should be on the MLB roster right now. They should have sent him down for a conditioning stint if he didn't have options. He's an automatic out.

I feel like I have heard someone say he does not, but I could have imagined it like I have imagined a number of walk-off wins that have not happened.

[jkcarew]

 

Does Sano have options left? There is no reason he should be on the MLB roster right now. They should have sent him down for a conditioning stint if he didn't have options. He's an automatic out.

Except he was one of the few Twins to reach base safely two times in yesterday’s game. What he needs to do is start hitting it over the fence when he puts it in play.

[denarded]

 

6-17 in our last 23!

That's bad, right?

[MMMordabito]

Time to move on to unrealistic expectations of the trade return for Twins vets.

[Otto von Ballpark]

For anyone who still thinks "it's early": https://www.mlb.com/news/slowest-starts-by-teams-that-made-playoffs

 

The Twins would need to go 11-9 over the next 20 games to match the worst 50-game performance by a team that would go on to win the division that year, something that's been done just 4 times in 25 years.

They do need to start winning soon, although the 2021 AL Central also has the potential to be one of the worst divisions of the last 25 years.

[D. Hocking]

 

For anyone who still thinks "it's early": https://www.mlb.com/news/slowest-starts-by-teams-that-made-playoffs

 

The Twins would need to go 11-9 over the next 20 games to match the worst 50-game performance by a team that would go on to win the division that year, something that's been done just 4 times in 25 years.

So you are saying there is a chance?

[Twinfan603]

 

They do need to start winning soon, although the 2021 AL Central also has the potential to be one of the worst divisions of the last 25 years.

How do you figure that? I'm not saying it's a good division, but one of the worst in a quarter century?

 

The Tigers are abominable.

 

The Indians and Royals are average, and the White Sox are good despite some early injuries. I don't think the Al Central will even end up as the worst division in baseball this year. Of course, how the Twins rebound will impact that, but the NL Central and AL West look weak in the long-run too.

[Aggies7]

Not sure I understand, were they supposed to cut their losses before this year? If not, you'd do so after 1 month?

I mean, I would have already moved on. Has he shown you any tangible progress?

[Mike Sixel]

 

I mean, I would have already moved on. Has he shown you any tangible progress?

 

When? Like, all the years before last year when he was good? Or last year, in a really strange year? Or now?

 

I mean, he's been bad this year, no doubt, but he was quite good before last year. It's hard to believe people would give up on a top prospect and all star, after like 4 months or so.....

[Otto von Ballpark]

How do you figure that? I'm not saying it's a good division, but one of the worst in a quarter century?

 

The Tigers are abominable.

 

The Indians and Royals are average, and the White Sox are good despite some early injuries. I don't think the Al Central will even end up as the worst division in baseball this year. Of course, how the Twins rebound will impact that, but the NL Central and AL West look weak in the long-run too.

Other divisions could be weak too.

 

Fangraphs projects the White Sox to win it with 86 wins right now, and 2nd place at 82 wins. With the White Sox injuries, I think they have some downside on that projection too. Could easily see this division winner slotting among the 5 worst listed in this article, which all finished with 82-85 wins:

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-worst-records-in-postseason

[Aggies7]

 

When? Like, all the years before last year when he was good? Or last year, in a really strange year? Or now?

 

I mean, he's been bad this year, no doubt, but he was quite good before last year. It's hard to believe people would give up on a top prospect and all star, after like 4 months or so.....

"quite good" is a bit of an overstatement for a guy who strikes out 42(!!!!!)% of his ABs! 42! one year of 30+ HRs, which is what he's here for. he wasn't quite good for "all the other years" either. if he doesn't show improvement this year I think its due time to move on

[ScrapTheNickname]

 

donaldson and cruz to a contender

And Simmons will gone by August too.

[Brock Beauchamp]

"quite good" is a bit of an overstatement for a guy who strikes out 42(!!!!!)% of his ABs! 42! one year of 30+ HRs, which is what he's here for. he wasn't quite good for "all the other years" either. if he doesn't show improvement this year I think its due time to move on

Using wRC+, the best single number offensive metric readily available, here are Sano’s numbers by season (100 is average):

 

149, 107, 125, 83, 137, 99, 80

 

Sano has definitely been good for more than one year, though he’s frustratingly inconsistent.

[insagt1]

for the unwashed masses like me....what is wRC+ and why do we need it?