Article: Winter Meetings - Search For A Starter

[jimmer]

 

This may turn out to be nothing, but according to MLB Trade Rumors, Darvish has been in contact with Gimenez about what it's like to play in Minnesota.  Like I said, it could very well be nothing, but if it isn't .... ?  A possible deal could be farther along than people realize.

It would be awesome.  Big time hoping! It would be out biggest FA signing by far.

[drock2190]

 

It would be awesome.  Big time hoping! It would be out biggest FA signing by far.

 

I'm pretty excited about signing the guy who pretty much cost the Dodgers a World Series!!

[Squirrel]

This may turn out to be nothing, but according to MLB Trade Rumors, Darvish has been in contact with Gimenez about what it's like to play in Minnesota.  Like I said, it could very well be nothing, but if it isn't .... ?!  A possible deal could be farther along than people realize.

Yeah, this was mentioned here:

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/28147-article-4-stories-to-watch-at-the-winter-meetings/?p=700629

 

With multiple threads going on the Winter Meetings, tons of overlap in conversations happening. I imagine that every thread will blow up if something big actually happens for the Twins!

[jimmer]

 

I'm pretty excited about signing the guy who pretty much cost the Dodgers a World Series!!

ugh

[RaoulDuke]

Shaw and Reed off the board, pen arms are starting to move quick.

[Mr. Brooks]

I'd love to have the chance to blow the WS.

[Thrylos]

 

Shaw and Reed off the board, pen arms are starting to move quick.

 

And Morrow, and Hunter, and Neshek, and Petit. 

[70charger]

 

I'm pretty excited about signing the guy who pretty much cost the Dodgers a World Series!!

 

I so very much hope that the GMs of the other teams think like you do.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Exactly this.  And not to mention, though Longoria doesn't have a MONSTER contract, that has to be included when talking about value (an average of 17M a year if you count the buyout for 2023)

 

So it's 32 year old Longoria (owed 17M a year over the next 5 years) + Archer (and his 8.5M a year over 4 years) for Sano (who isn't arbitration eligible yet) + Gonzalves who still has 6 years of control.

Nice to see you show Sano some respect, finally. However, you could argue that the above-average dependability of Longoria is preferable to the unpredictability and highs and lows of having Sano around, much as I'm in his corner and hope he gets straightened out.

[jimmer]

 

Nice to see you show Sano some respect, finally. However, you could argue that the above-average dependability of Longoria is preferable to the unpredictability and highs and lows of having Sano around, much as I'm in his corner and hope he gets straightened out.

I've given Sano plenty of respect in regards to his bat. PLENTY. I don't think it's fair to say I am finally giving him respect just because I don't find him to be a good defender and I say so.  I give him credit for what he does well and I point out his issues on defense.  Heck, I even gave him credit for his effort in RF when they made the horrible decision to put him out there.  Yeah, he was bad, but It wasn't HIS fault it was so bad.

 

If you feel that it's unfair to point out a player's weaknesses, I don't know what to say to that.

Edited December 13, 2017 by jimmer

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Ok, so can we agree Archer >>>> Gonsalves?

[jimmer]

 

Ok, so can we agree Archer >>>> Gonsalves?

All I was saying is too many people just look at the players without taking into consideration salary, age or years of control.  And it all needs to be considered.

[amjgt]

Yeah, this was mentioned here:

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/28147-article-4-stories-to-watch-at-the-winter-meetings/?p=700629

 

With multiple threads going on the Winter Meetings, tons of overlap in conversations happening. I imagine that every thread will blow up if something big actually happens for the Twins!

It's because there was a day 0 thread but never a day 1 or day 2 thread. People don't know where to post.

[Squirrel]

It's because there was a day 0 thread but never a day 1 or day 2 thread. People don't know where to post.

I know. These winter meeting discussions will just overlap. But I did mention it because there was some discussion already, including a bit more detail on it.

[amjgt]

Y'all have taken a hard line before on moving and locking threads. My suggestion (not that you're asking) would be to lock up the "day 0" thread at midnight and start a day 3 thread.

[Blackjack]

 

To realize that puts Sano and Buxton another year closer to free agency? Eventually you have to try to win.

 

Slow and steady will win a lot of races. Lets see if the young guys can duplicate last years win total, gain some maturity, become steady, consistent players, maybe even the all-star players we hope they will be, THEN is the time to trade a bunch of prospects for the missing piece(s). 

[Blackjack]

 

To realize that puts Sano and Buxton another year closer to free agency? Eventually you have to try to win.

 

As far as Sano and Buxton go, I'm not on the bandwagon yet. Sano has to prove he can play a whole year, keep his weight down, and cut down on his strikeouts. Buxton has to prove that he can stop running into walls or other players. The Twins will be luck to get 200 games out of the two of them this year. You can't count on them so that means all the other young players need to mature and step up, meaning the Twins are still a year or two away from needing to make that big trade to get over the hump.

[Penthang]

If the rumored package is true it may be that the Twins want an extension agreed to before pulling the trigger?

[nicksaviking]

 

Y'all have taken a hard line before on moving and locking threads. My suggestion (not that you're asking) would be to lock up the "day 0" thread at midnight and start a day 3 thread.

 

Wait, the winter meetings have already started? That can't be accurate because......

 

 

We typically would lock or merge threads but this is an article not a one-off conversation thread.

 

****I wouldn't normally post this in a forum and would instead send a PM as I wouldn't want to derail the discussion but I can see where this might be a situation where many people are perplexed.

[olivia11]

I'm not sure why people are including Royce Lewis in trade scenarios because he supposedly won't be up for 5 years.  When a team has really hit on a #1 draft pick (like we're hoping the Twins have), even the high school players reach the big leagues really quick.  

 

Let's look at two recent top draft picks who were infielders drafted out of high school:

Carlos Correa (#1 overall in 2012): 2012 half season: Rk, 2013 season: A, 2014 season A+, 2015: AA/AAA/MLB. MLB debut at age 20.

 

Manny Machado (#3 overall in 2010): 2010 half season Rk/A-, 2011 season: A/A+, 2012 season: AA/MLB. MLB debut at age 19.

 

Lewis spit his draft-year season between Rookie and A ball. Putting him on track to reach the majors as early as 2019 or 2020 if all goes to plan. That's right in the middle of the Twins winning window. Of course, plenty could go wrong, but you don't trade a #1 overall draft pick who has Carlos Correa/Manny Machado potential unless he shows you some major flaws.

 

If I'm the Twins, Lewis is absolutely *untouchable. 

 

*untouchable, of course, qualified to mean any "sane"/realistic trade scenario.

[ashbury]

Mod note: TD has an article on the subject of Michael Pineda now - please continue the discussion of that player there. http://twinsdaily.com/topic/28173-article-twins-sign-rhp-michael-pineda/

[dbminn]

 

What type of player do you think fill-in corner outfielders or 4th outfielders are?

 

The way I look at it, the Twins "nothing but rain drops" outfield is all center fielder quality. Varying degrees obviously, but that's what they are. It's nice to have a 4th OF-er who is also CF above average, but they already have that and corners are way easier to fill.

 

Granite is a 4th outfielder for the Twins. Look at who the Twins have had in that role recently: Sam Fuld, Logan Schafer, Jordan Schafer, Danny Santana, Shane Robinson, Darin Mastroianni, Clete Thomas... Bench outfielders and corner guys are definitely a dime-a-dozen.

 

You're worrying too much about this and if he's a guy Pittsburgh is targeting, I say good for them and him.

 

Not worried, just a preference. I've repeated I'd be happy with the trade as-is, but depth is important too

[laloesch]

 

This may turn out to be nothing, but according to MLB Trade Rumors, Darvish has been in contact with Gimenez about what it's like to play in Minnesota.  Like I said, it could very well be nothing, but if it isn't .... ?!  A possible deal could be farther along than people realize.

 

Good.  At least a dialogue is happening.  Likely leads to nothing but perhaps there is hope that something comes to fruition based on past relationships.

[Tomj14]

The only reason I don't trade Gordon, Jay and Zach for Cole, is that I have something in works for Archer or possibly one of the Mets starters.

I do hate that is he is Boras guy and it will be next to impossible to have him longer than 2 years but I still make the move.

 

 

[Squirrel]

Well ... do we have a starter yet from these meetings? Unless we trade someone off the 40-man, room for only one more, right?

 

Color me ... skeptical ... at this point.

[SwainZag]

 

Interesting at least

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

Interesting at least

It's starting to feel like this is going to happen.

 

Would be great if it did, or, one of the other big targets would be good too, but Darvish would be ideal.

[Md34]

Give me 4 years of Zack Greinke if the DBacks are looking to get rid of him for a reasonable prospect haul instead of 6+ with Darvish.

[SwainZag]

 

Give me 4 years of Zack Greinke if the DBacks are looking to get rid of him for a reasonable prospect haul instead of 6+ with Darvish.

 

I'd rather take Darvish and keep the prospects and not to mention Greinke is already 34.

[Mike Sixel]

I actually think they are going:

 

6/144

 

with Darvish. Those last two years will suck....but the first four will hopefully be worth it.