Are we done jumping to conclusions on Falvey & Co. ?

[Twinfan & Dad]

I hope that we all have seen how competent Falvey and the new FO are. Fantastic draft according to many top level baseball minds. Many on this board were ready to run him out of town after day 1 of the draft. Maybe we aren't used to people who think outside the box. Is the pitching staff and bullpen a mess? Most definitely. However could Falvey have forseen all of the injuries to our young pitchers? As rumours start to heat up for more pitching such as Gorden, Polanco and more for Archer let's not get to excited. Our Twins are in great hands and we should feel lucky to have Falvey and Co.

[Riverbrian]

Are we done jumping to conclusions?

 

As a whole? 

 

(Thinking)

 

 

NO

[rghrbek]

 

I hope that we all have seen how competent Falvey and the new FO are. Fantastic draft according to many top level baseball minds. Many on this board were ready to run him out of town after day 1 of the draft. Maybe we aren't used to people who think outside the box. Is the pitching staff and bullpen a mess? Most definitely. However could Falvey have forseen all of the injuries to our young pitchers? As rumours start to heat up for more pitching such as Gorden, Polanco and more for Archer let's not get to excited. Our Twins are in great hands and we should feel lucky to have Falvey and Co.

Who are the many top baseball minds?  I've seen Callis extol the Twins drafting prowess, but have not seen others say the Twins had a fantastic draft.

I would enjoy reading more on this from other experts.

[Craig Arko]

Bwahahaha!

[Mike Sixel]

 

I hope that we all have seen how competent Falvey and the new FO are. Fantastic draft according to many top level baseball minds. Many on this board were ready to run him out of town after day 1 of the draft. Maybe we aren't used to people who think outside the box. Is the pitching staff and bullpen a mess? Most definitely. However could Falvey have forseen all of the injuries to our young pitchers? As rumours start to heat up for more pitching such as Gorden, Polanco and more for Archer let's not get to excited. Our Twins are in great hands and we should feel lucky to have Falvey and Co.

 

Breslow, Belisle, Tepesch, Wilk, Haley, Rucinski, Heston, et. al. (and leaving Berrios down, saying he wasn't ready, then he was 1 start later....).....indicate it is early to assess the FO and their ability, imo. 

 

three years....need at least three years.

[Rosterman]

We have to remember that these guys are acting in the now (thus the influx of "temporary" players holding down the fort, which is now in first place) as well as trying to see what IS in the system and making the rounds o the direction they want the coaching to take et al. This off-season should be the tell.

 

As well as what happens with the Twins and the division in the weeks to come.

 

Being competitive kinda threw a monkey-wrench into everything.

 

And they have to ask if they are playoff needs, and if they should tradeoff some pieces sooner rather than later for a quick fix or something to take them into the playoff hunt.

 

A lot of guys STILL in the minors that have promise but will never play major league ball, with the Twins or others, but someone might still think so.

 

[Blake]

As Monty Python once said, in their Mosquito Hunter sketch: "Where's the sport in that?"

[wsnydes]

 

Who are the many top baseball minds?  I've seen Callis extol the Twins drafting prowess, but have not seen others say the Twins had a fantastic draft.

I would enjoy reading more on this from other experts.

Agreed.  Regardless, we should wait to see how the class turns out before we can make any sort of rational decision in the first place.  Now is not the time call these guys geniuses based on a draft class that happened not even a week ago and is so far mostly unsigned.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I hope that we all have seen how competent Falvey and the new FO are. Fantastic draft according to many top level baseball minds. Many on this board were ready to run him out of town after day 1 of the draft. Maybe we aren't used to people who think outside the box. Is the pitching staff and bullpen a mess? Most definitely. However could Falvey have forseen all of the injuries to our young pitchers? As rumours start to heat up for more pitching such as Gorden, Polanco and more for Archer let's not get to excited. Our Twins are in great hands and we should feel lucky to have Falvey and Co.

i think 75% of the posters here begged for more bullpen help. A free agent or two would have only cost money. Even a non-competitive team needed a much better bullpen.

 

It's way too soon to judge how good Falvey and Levine are doing.

[Thrylos]

 

I hope that we all have seen how competent Falvey and the new FO are.

 

What "new FO"?  Levine?

[MangLitch]

 

I hope that we all have seen how competent Falvey and the new FO are. Fantastic draft according to many top level baseball minds. Many on this board were ready to run him out of town after day 1 of the draft. Maybe we aren't used to people who think outside the box. Is the pitching staff and bullpen a mess? Most definitely. However could Falvey have forseen all of the injuries to our young pitchers? As rumours start to heat up for more pitching such as Gorden, Polanco and more for Archer let's not get to excited. Our Twins are in great hands and we should feel lucky to have Falvey and Co.

 

I get the idea with this post.... but I can't help myself.

 

So you are asking if we are done jumping to conclusions because the so called "draft experts" are praising the draft of the Twins. Funny, seems like they also are jumping to conclusions when we really won't know how well they drafted for 3 or 4 years. 

 

Seems as if we have been put in our place by other people who are rumored to be better at jumping to conclusions. I am boxed I guess.

 

I hope this is a replica of Houston 2012 and to be honest, I have no clue what it will be. But in reality, no one directly or indirectly related to this process has 20% of a clue how this will end. It is all just fun banter. 

 

SO NO, I AM NOT DONE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.... FIRE FALVINE!!!! (strong whiff of sarcasm)(Am I officially the first to start this in replacement of TR?) 

[old nurse]

 

i think 75% of the posters here begged for more bullpen help. A free agent or two would have only cost money. Even a non-competitive team needed a much better bullpen.

It's way too soon to judge how good Falvey and Levine are doing.

Of the free agent relievers that signed major league contracts 2 years or less Drew Storen is the only one with an ERA under 3.  There really  wasn't a whole lot out there. You shouldn't let that change the narrative of want what turned out not performing.  Any of them should be available for trade . Storen did not pitch so well for Toronto in a playoff race.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Of the free agent relievers that signed major league contracts 2 years or less Drew Storen is the only one with an ERA under 3. There really wasn't a whole lot out there. You shouldn't let that change the narrative of want what turned out not performing. Any of them should be available for trade . Storen did not pitch so well for Toronto in a playoff race.

no one knew whether or not FA relievers were going to work out at the time.

 

So because free agents didn't work in 2017, Levine shouldn't seek out free agent relief help for 2018? Or maybe spend what it takes to get a good free agent reliever.

 

If 3 years or more is what it takes, get it done.

[Doomtints]

The problems this team has are all inherited from previous management.

 

To us dedicated fans it seemed obvious that the pitching staff needed 75% turnover. This would have seemed bonkers to any incoming GM -- even GMs who look at the stat sheets -- so it's not surprising that they wanted to take things slower and see things for themselves. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Agreed.  Regardless, we should wait to see how the class turns out before we can make any sort of rational decision in the first place.  Now is not the time call these guys geniuses based on a draft class that happened not even a week ago and is so far mostly unsigned.

No, but we can appreciate the process.

 

Just as we can not appreciate what is happening in the bullpen right now.

 

Neither instance makes Falvey/Levine a great/bad front office, but it warrants small cheers/grumbles.

 

My problem mainly revolves around the making of grand, sweeping statements when we're a few months into their tenure.

[Riverbrian]

 

Of the free agent relievers that signed major league contracts 2 years or less Drew Storen is the only one with an ERA under 3.  There really  wasn't a whole lot out there. You shouldn't let that change the narrative of want what turned out not performing.  Any of them should be available for trade . Storen did not pitch so well for Toronto in a playoff race.

 

I thought that there were some decent pen options in free agency. Guys who were worth a shot.

 

Some worked out and some didn't so far but I would have appreciated the effort. 

 

My personal opinion but I'm not going to judge them on it yet... They got plenty of other stuff to do. 

 

 

 

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Of the free agent relievers that signed major league contracts 2 years or less Drew Storen is the only one with an ERA under 3.

Greg Holland, Koji Uehara, Jetry Blevins, Matt Albers, Yusmeiro Petit -- I don't know if you really researched this.

[gil4]

 

Are we done jumping to conclusions?

 

As a whole? 

 

(Thinking)

 

 

NO

That was the answer I came up with. We might come around eventually, but then another question will come up.

[gil4]

 

SO NO, I AM NOT DONE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.... FIRE FALVINE!!!! (strong whiff of sarcasm)(Am I officially the first to start this in replacement of TR?) 

Bite your tongue or we will get Bill Smith back. My parents occasionally play cards with his mother, and while it was fun for them to have the insider contact, I prefer they just hear second hand old war stories rather than get inside info again. (They aren't big enough fans to ask the right questions anyway.)

 

[magiklair]

Why are we sending out these career minor leaguers? There is a reason that career minor league's, they're not good! Let's roll the dice and try some of the highly rated younger prospects..

[Seth Stohs]

 

I hope that we all have seen how competent Falvey and the new FO are. Fantastic draft according to many top level baseball minds. Many on this board were ready to run him out of town after day 1 of the draft. Maybe we aren't used to people who think outside the box. Is the pitching staff and bullpen a mess? Most definitely. However could Falvey have forseen all of the injuries to our young pitchers? As rumours start to heat up for more pitching such as Gorden, Polanco and more for Archer let's not get to excited. Our Twins are in great hands and we should feel lucky to have Falvey and Co.

 

Good for you and thank you for posting this. It's fun to read some positives here... But sadly, as you can see, most commenters prefer to go negative as much as possible. They'll tell you things that they haven't liked from the last 8-9 months. They'll talk about how this front office isn't different, despite the top two positions being completely different... But stay positive!! I think it was a strong draft... 

[wsnydes]

No, but we can appreciate the process.

 

Just as we can not appreciate what is happening in the bullpen right now.

 

Neither instance makes Falvey/Levine a great/bad front office, but it warrants small cheers/grumbles.

 

My problem mainly revolves around the making of grand, sweeping statements when we're a few months into their tenure.

Absolutely, that wasn't what I was trying to imply. It's far too early yet to really judge these guys one way or another.

[jimmer]

 

Absolutely, that wasn't what I was trying to imply. It's far too early yet to really judge these guys one way or another.

It's okay to jump to conclusions as long as they are positive.

[mlhouse]

 

i think 75% of the posters here begged for more bullpen help. A free agent or two would have only cost money. Even a non-competitive team needed a much better bullpen.

It's way too soon to judge how good Falvey and Levine are doing.

 

 

The problem with this issue is that the existing Twins prospects should be getting the chance to prove themselves, or should have already had the opportunity.

 

JT Chargois, DJ Baxendale, Alan Busenitz, Trevor Hildenberger, all 26 years old.  David Hurlbut 27 years old.  All at AAA.  These are not some young prospects.  These are guys that have been in the Twins minor league system for some years with the exception of Busenitz who was acquired in a trade.  

 

AS I have pointed out over and over again, the former and current management seems to be excited to plug in every waiver cut in major league baseball, but still has not given a thorough look at Chargois, or any look at the other 4 guys.

 

I get Chargois is injured, again.  But while we carry a 37 year old reliever with a 8.22 ERA, why not give Hildenberger, guy that has had nothing but success in the minors all the way up the chain.  He has a career 2.04 ERA and 10.4 K/9 with a WHIP of 0.875, a shot.  If his effectiveness does not match the 8.22 ERA that would be surprising.  But give him Belise appearances and lets see what happens.

 

Why carry a 36 year old left hander with a 5.09 ERA when we have LHP David Hurlbut sitting in AAA.  I know that Hurlbut isn't regarded as a top level prospect and has been mostly a starter in his career, but he has pitched in relief (I have personally seen two relief appearances at Ft Myers) and being in his 7th year in the organization his performance deserves a shot. 

 

I think Pressley and Boshers needs to be on the short leash and if it is pulled it is time to give Busenitz and/or Baxendale the next chance.

 

If these guys fail, then their is the next level.  Luke Bard, who has missed so much time with injury is sitting in AA.  Because of his injuries he is already 26 years old, but he has a 2.84 ERA and 52 Ks in just 31 innings.  John Curtiss is the AA closer with a sub-1,00 ERA.  He is 24 and needs to be looked at as the closer of the future.  His chance should come sooner rather than later.

 

YOu really cannot tell if a player is going to be succesful until you give them a true chance.  If we put off getting these guys up to the big leagues their time will pass, and why we continue to try out a string of  Wilks, Rucisnskis, Turleys, Hestons, and Tepesches is beyond me when we have quality, experienced prospects waiting their chances.    

 

[flags]

"It was a jump to conclusions mat. you see it would be this mat that you would put on the floor and would have different 'conclusions' written on it that you could 'jump to'"

[mlhouse]

Right on cue Nick Turley pitching a hell of a game.  8 ER in 4.2 innings.  Keeps his ERA at just 12.46.  

 

I know they gave Jason Wheeler a shot and it probably went the way I thought it would.  But Jason deserved a chance.

 

I don't see were David Hurlbut can be any worse.  And if he is, then nothing is really lost than sending up these known replacement level players.  Give Hurlbut a chance.  Let him start the games Turley and Tepesch are getting, If he pitches well, see if you can work him in as teh 5th starter.  If not, you gave him a shot and either send him back to the minors or move him to a different organization for a 2nd shot with them.

 

Free.  David. Hurlbut.

 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

We're all "GM wanna be's". We enjoy the "What if this or what if that" questions and discussions. But I can't be too hard on TR or Gardy or Molly or Derek or Thad. It's tough to have a job where your performance is scrutinized by thousands of arm chair quarter-backs after the fact. But you know what...I sure do enjoy it. I enjoy reading the posts of other Twins fans. Thanks TD owners and members.

[Jham]

 

Right on cue Nick Turley pitching a hell of a game.  8 ER in 4.2 innings.  Keeps his ERA at just 12.46.  

 

I know they gave Jason Wheeler a shot and it probably went the way I thought it would.  But Jason deserved a chance.

 

I don't see were David Hurlbut can be any worse.  And if he is, then nothing is really lost than sending up these known replacement level players.  Give Hurlbut a chance.  Let him start the games Turley and Tepesch are getting, If he pitches well, see if you can work him in as teh 5th starter.  If not, you gave him a shot and either send him back to the minors or move him to a different organization for a 2nd shot with them.

 

Free.  David. Hurlbut.

What's the difference between Hurlbut and Turley?  Or Andrew Albers for that matter...

[Richie the Rally Goat]

The problem with this issue is that the existing Twins prospects should be getting the chance to prove themselves, or should have already had the opportunity.

 

JT Chargois, DJ Baxendale, Alan Busenitz, Trevor Hildenberger, all 26 years old. David Hurlbut 27 years old. All at AAA. These are not some young prospects. These are guys that have been in the Twins minor league system for some years with the exception of Busenitz who was acquired in a trade.

 

AS I have pointed out over and over again, the former and current management seems to be excited to plug in every waiver cut in major league baseball, but still has not given a thorough look at Chargois, or any look at the other 4 guys.

 

I get Chargois is injured, again. But while we carry a 37 year old reliever with a 8.22 ERA, why not give Hildenberger, guy that has had nothing but success in the minors all the way up the chain. He has a career 2.04 ERA and 10.4 K/9 with a WHIP of 0.875, a shot. If his effectiveness does not match the 8.22 ERA that would be surprising. But give him Belise appearances and lets see what happens.

 

Why carry a 36 year old left hander with a 5.09 ERA when we have LHP David Hurlbut sitting in AAA. I know that Hurlbut isn't regarded as a top level prospect and has been mostly a starter in his career, but he has pitched in relief (I have personally seen two relief appearances at Ft Myers) and being in his 7th year in the organization his performance deserves a shot.

 

I think Pressley and Boshers needs to be on the short leash and if it is pulled it is time to give Busenitz and/or Baxendale the next chance.

 

If these guys fail, then their is the next level. Luke Bard, who has missed so much time with injury is sitting in AA. Because of his injuries he is already 26 years old, but he has a 2.84 ERA and 52 Ks in just 31 innings. John Curtiss is the AA closer with a sub-1,00 ERA. He is 24 and needs to be looked at as the closer of the future. His chance should come sooner rather than later.

 

YOu really cannot tell if a player is going to be succesful until you give them a true chance. If we put off getting these guys up to the big leagues their time will pass, and why we continue to try out a string of Wilks, Rucisnskis, Turleys, Hestons, and Tepesches is beyond me when we have quality, experienced prospects waiting their chances.

i don't yet fault the FO for the handling of minor leaguers yet. It's the middle of June, lots of time. Recycling quad-A guys isn't my favorite either, but sometimes it's required.

 

I don't see acquiring free agents or making trades in direct conflict with promoting minor leaguers. This bullpen is awful and there's plenty of room for all of the above.

[akmanak]

I havent seen anything that I would proclaim management as anything other than average. Ask the same question next year.