DaveW: Dodgers trade for Dozier to be completed within the next 24 hours

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

The Twins don't have a whole lot that will help the Dodgers "win now"

Santana? Too expensive and they don't need him.
Santiago? lulz
Hughes/Perkins? Too risky
Rosario? No need
Kintzler? I mean everyone could use more arms, but now that he is a "proven closer" the price would be too high.
 

 

Yeah, I could see Kintzler or Pressly even potentially having value to the Dodgers. But I don't see a lot of other options for this.

 

And why would the Twins would to trade prospects to get prospects? Why should they have to sweeten the pot with Dozier?

[HitInAPinch]

 

The Twins don't have a whole lot that will help the Dodgers "win now"

Santana? Too expensive and they don't need him.
Santiago? lulz
Hughes/Perkins? Too risky
Rosario? No need
Kintzler? I mean everyone could use more arms, but now that he is a "proven closer" the price would be too high.
 

I was thinking the same way on some of those veterans.  At the time that Santana, Hughes, Kintzler were acquired, I never heard of any other team interested in them. 

 

Hey, if Kintzler is thought of as a "proven closer"  I'd add him, NOW   :-)

[HitInAPinch]

 

 

Yeah, I could see Kintzler or Pressly even potentially having value to the Dodgers. But I don't see a lot of other options for this.

 

And why would the Twins would to trade prospects to get prospects? Why should they have to sweeten the pot with Dozier?

Because the Dodgers have better prospects?      

 

Hey, I just brought it up because I was curious.  Way to quiet for my tastes....

 

 

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Because the Dodgers have better prospects?    

 

Hey, I just brought it up because I was curious.  Way to quiet for my tastes....

 

 

Agreed on that. I want something to happen and to get the ball rolling on the offseason.

[clone52]

 

Yeah, I could see Kintzler or Pressly even potentially having value to the Dodgers. But I don't see a lot of other options for this.

 

And why would the Twins would to trade prospects to get prospects? Why should they have to sweeten the pot with Dozier?

 

If the Twins really want De Leon, Alvarez and Lux, but the Dodgers want to be De Leon, Alvaraz and some AAAA guy who will never be a key major league player, then maybe the Twins could throw in a guy like Jermaine Palacios to sweeten the pot.

[d-mac]

 

I also listed .OBP and OPS.  Sorry, i didn't list more advanced sabremetrics.  You'll have to excuse me.  I'm in a sling post-labrum surgery.  Simply stating the very issues that I'm sure the Dodgers and Twins are debating.  Like I said, it isn't a slight on Dozier's season.  The Dodgers concerns will we weighed against a cheap deal for two  years and impressive power season in 2016.  Do, people still use bro or is that as antiquated as batting avg?

 

Not in the post I was quoting you didn't. What does labrum surgery have to do with not being able to dig deeper than superficial batting averages? Maybe bro never made it back into the lexicon of Dodger fans in Iowa 6-8 years ago like it did with everybody else under the age 30. 

[SF Twins Fan]

Just wanted to throw this out there.

 

 

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi  1m1 minute ago
Sources: #Dodgers, #Twins remain in dialogue about a Brian Dozier trade, although no deal is imminent. @MLB @MLBNetwork

[beehles]

 

Just wanted to throw this out there.

 

 

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi  1m1 minute ago
Sources: #Dodgers, #Twins remain in dialogue about a Brian Dozier trade, although no deal is imminent. @MLB @MLBNetwork

I just got this update on my phone as well...could today be the day? I hope so!

[Baseball Bat]

 

Darren Wolfson, on his podcast from last night, said he is hearing that a Dozier to the Dodgers deal, with De Leon in the package, is being heavily discussed, and he wouldn't be surprised to see a deal done in the very near future.

 

Just FYI. More smoke to the fire.

Doogie is a very reliable source too

[Richie the Rally Goat]

 

Tells us absolutely nothing that we didn't already know.

We don't "know" anything. It's all rumors and conjecture until the deal is done. The point is that there has been claims that individuals are making baseless rumors when in truth there's chatter out there by media members and other bloggers that puts some legs under the conjecture.

 

Again, until the deal is done its all rumor, but I believe there's enough chatter by disparate individuals that there's at least some substantiation.

[FlapsDown]

Wish this trade would happen soon so I don't have to see that freakish baby Hitinapinch uses for an avatar every time I check this thread! As my 4 year old would say, "that's weeuhhhd"

[gSutter]

Twins fans are saying Dozier for De Leon, Alverez, plus a lower level prospect or 2.

Dodgers fans are saying De Leon, Stewart, Calhoun.

 

I am in the group that very much believes a deal between these 2 teams get done. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Seems like the fan bases are pretty far apart. It's looking like 1 fan base might end up a little disappointed.

 

Shout out to Dave W for starting this thread and giving us all a place to vent our offseason trade rumor anxiety!

[clone52]

 

Twins fans are saying Dozier for De Leon, Alverez, plus a lower level prospect or 2.
Dodgers fans are saying De Leon, Stewart, Calhoun.

I am in the group that very much believes a deal between these 2 teams get done. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Seems like the fan bases are pretty far apart. It's looking like 1 fan base might end up a little disappointed.

Shout out to Dave W for starting this thread and giving us all a place to vent our offseason trade rumor anxiety!

 

Could be.

 

I hadn't really looked at Brock Stewart much, but he wouldn't be bad.  Mid 90's fastball, more than a K per inning.  Extremely good command.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Could be.

 

I hadn't really looked at Brock Stewart much, but he wouldn't be bad.  Mid 90's fastball, more than a K per inning.  Extremely good command.

 

Agreed, a LOT to like about Stewart. He was the Dodgers minor league pitcher of the year last year, and even at the major league level had a 3 pitches with an above average swing and miss rate (Brandon Warne has mentioned that more than a few times on his podcast) and after 149 combined innings last year between the minors and majors, he would absolutely be ready for a full season without an innings limit. De Leon threw 88 innings last year, and would probably have an innings limit on his arm.

 

 

[Gheggs08]

I hope the Twins can pull De Leon, Alvarez and Stewart back. 2 starters ready to contribute now and one very high ceiling prospect for 2-3 years down the road. Not sure Dozier alone can fetch this package, but if I was the Twins I would definitely add another piece to get this done if need be.

[laloesch]

 

We don't "know" anything. It's all rumors and conjecture until the deal is done. The point is that there has been claims that individuals are making baseless rumors when in truth there's chatter out there by media members and other bloggers that puts some legs under the conjecture.

 

Again, until the deal is done its all rumor, but I believe there's enough chatter by disparate individuals that there's at least some substantiation.

 

I agree with you.  This whole argument I was having earlier with another poster is the result of him attacking me for using "buzz words" and not having proof that a deal was not likely happening any time soon.  This of course was in response to the prolonged absence of any substantiated rumors from confirmed or unconfirmed sources after it was initially leaked last weak that  a deal was "imminent in the next 24 hours."

 

Remember too that there were no updates on mlbtraderumors at the time confirming or denying ongoing negotiations or progression of talks between both clubs.  Everything was conjecture based on one mans word from a source which he could not disclose for obvious reasons.    

 

Apparently this poster took offense to my skepticisms of the deal and went on a tirade in which he stated he was "using my post to make an example of me" for others to see.  This post was subsequently deleted.  

 

All of this took place before info was posted today from Aaron Gleeman, John Morosi and a few others.   So yeah, the original 24 hour timeline didn't hold up from last week but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen (something i NEVER said).  

 

I find it disturbing that so many folks here feel they have to post snotty snide responses to people they don't agree with (i'm not accusing you of this).  

So Depressing.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

All of this took place before info was posted today from Aaron Gleeman, John Morosi and a few others.

No info from Gleeman today -- someone here just posted a Gleeman tweet from 8 days ago.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Dodgers fans are saying De Leon, Stewart, Calhoun.

That seems to be the top conclusion at this Dodgers blog:

http://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-analysis-trading-brian-dozier-can-cost/2016/12/14/

 

Calhoun is actually interesting.  Yeah, I hear he can't really play 2B, and I'm guessing that 27 HR season in the minors last year is a bit inflated by league/park, but he does seem to have some offensive skill AND he hardly ever strikes out.  11.6 K% in AA, 11.7% for his whole minor league career.  I think that could be useful to the Twins, even if he winds up in a corner OF.

[darin617]

 

Everything I have heard is Kinsler is not an option...take that for what you will...

 

Kinsler is an option but he will not waive his no trade clause without a contract extension.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Kinsler is an option but he will not waive his no trade clause without a contract extension.

 

So, really then, he isn't an option if the Dodgers can get Dozier.

[darin617]

 

So, really then, he isn't an option if the Dodgers can get Dozier.

Possible leverage play on the part of the Dodgers. Kinsler owed $23M over 2 years. You would expect his agent would ask for an additional 3-4 years. I would be more worried about Tampa putting Logan Forsythe out there.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

So, really then, he isn't an option if the Dodgers can get Dozier.

Depends on what Kinsler's demands would be.  Right now he is going to hit the open market next entering his age 37 season, he can't expect much of a long-term deal at that point.  So there could be some value for him in simply guaranteeing his age 37-38 salaries right now.  Another way to look at it: tear up the two years left on his current deal, and give him a new 4 year deal.  I'd still say it's unlikely, but it might just be because the Tigers have similar high prospect demands as the Twins.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I would be more worried about Tampa putting Logan Forsythe out there.

Yes.  Forsythe is actually a pretty good match for Dozier: same age, largely same performance over the past 2 seasons, 2 years club control remaining for ~$15 mil.  Plus some added flexibility in the field (not so important now that Turner has re-signed), and in his contract (his second year of control is actually a club option).  Friedman even traded for Forsythe while he was still in Tampa, before going to the Dodgers, and apparently the Dodgers inquired about him this past summer too.

 

I haven't seen any chatter about Forsythe for the Dodgers since Nov. 20, but maybe that's just because I don't know Tampa's equivalent to Dave!

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/dodgers-interested-in-logan-forsythe.html

[nater79a]

 

Agreed, a LOT to like about Stewart. He was the Dodgers minor league pitcher of the year last year, and even at the major league level had a 3 pitches with an above average swing and miss rate (Brandon Warne has mentioned that more than a few times on his podcast) and after 149 combined innings last year between the minors and majors, he would absolutely be ready for a full season without an innings limit. De Leon threw 88 innings last year, and would probably have an innings limit on his arm.

 

Stewart struggled a bit in 2015, but you're right, in 2016 he had a meteoric rise from A ball to the "bigs".

 

Wouldn't mind a package of JDL, Stewart and outfielder Trayce Thompson. 

Thompson would give the Twins a RH bat to balance out the lefties in Kepler and Rosario.

 

Not sure the Twins need a 2B/DH type like Calhoun.  And Alvarez is probably just wishful thinking.

 

 

 

 

[jimmer]

It seems that no one mentions that Dozier's BABIP was only .280 last year. All that punch with a .280 BABIP?

 

As the Dodgers have just spent 7.371 fortunes on resigning the gang from last year they will want to improve with someone who is relatively inexpensive. Enter Dozier.

 

I expect Dozier to have a couple more really good seasons in him.

This trade should happen. It could really benefit both teams.

his .280 BAPIP in 2016 was a career high.

[gSutter]

Stewart struggled a bit in 2015, but you're right, in 2016 he had a meteoric rise from A ball to the "bigs".

 

Wouldn't mind a package of JDL, Stewart and outfielder Trayce Thompson.

Thompson would give the Twins a RH bat to balance out the lefties in Kepler and Rosario.

 

Not sure the Twins need a 2B/DH type like Calhoun. And Alvarez is probably just wishful thinking.

I totally agree about Calhoun. The Twins don't need another DH type that they need to try to find a position for. I hope they learned that lesson last season with Sano. Plus I see Polanco moving over to 2B in Dozier's absence.

In JDL and Stewart the Twins get 2 SP who are close to major league ready. Which is something the FO has said it is looking for.

I like adding a right handed OF, but would rather add one via free agency or a different trade. It isn't that tall of a task to find a right hand hitting corner OF to use as the short side of a platoon. I'd rather get the best prospects as possible from the Dodgers and figure a short side platoon bat elsewhere.

It definitely doesn't have the upside as the trade Dave W posted (JDL, Alverez, + a low level prospect or 2) but JDL and Stewart isn't the worst starting point, as long as more players are adding in place of Calhoun.

[Vanimal46]

On today's Fangraphs chat: 

12:14

Chris: Wondering what you think of a Dozier trade to the Dodgers. I’ve heard rumors of DeLeon, Alvarez and one or two lesser pieces. Better for Twins or Dodgers?

 

12:14
Dave Cameron: I wouldn’t give up that much.

[Lonestar]

Who was the Fangraphs pundit who said De Leon and Calhoun sounded right.

[nicksaviking]

Considering most recent trades have had the feeling of the buying team giving up "too much" I think I'm going to be disappointed if the Dodgers or which ever team ends up swinging this trade only has to give up the "right" amount.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Considering most recent trades have had the feeling of the buying team giving up "too much" I think I'm going to be disappointed if the Dodgers or which ever team ends up swinging this trade only has to give up the "right" amount.

 

Dave Cameron isn't in the Twins or Dodgers front offices, but he certainly knows a lot about prospects. He was simply giving an opinion on what the value of Dozier is in a trade. That doesn't necessarily mean it is what the Dodgers or Twins would or would not do, but I can absolutely see his point.