Duffey deserves to be demoted

[Gagne Fan]

How come guys like Duffey are not expected to perform I order to keep their spots. He has been beyond awful in his last 100+ innings. He should have been demoted to AAA weeks ago. Buxton was demoted when he didn't perform...why does Duffey get a free pass after consistent poor starts. Their are guys in AAA outperforming him.

[sorney]

Other than the guys in AAA may or not be ready (at this point, who cares), I agree.

Duffey stays after being utterly terrible.  Vargas gets sent down after doing well....And there absolutely should be no excuse trying to find Vargas playing time on a team that has won 49 games.  No one should be a sacred cow.

[The Wise One]

I am confused. The team is vilified for sending Berrios down to work on being ready for prime time. The team is vilified for not doing the same with Duffrey.

[Boom Boom]

I think that since Duffey was a lesser prospect than Berrios, the Twins will give him more leash in the majors. Presumably their logic is that since Duffey's ceiling is lower, he has less to work on.

[Badsmerf]

Duffey was taken out of the rotation for a few minutes. I'm not sure why they've left him in for so long. Give some young guys a chance. Duffey can probably do well in the bullpen. If May was given this long of a leash he'd still be a starter. It's amazing to think they moved him because a terrible vet that is no longer mlb quality was going to throw a tantrum.

[jimmer]

 

I think that since Duffey was a lesser prospect than Berrios, the Twins will give him more leash in the majors. Presumably their logic is that since Duffey's ceiling is lower, he has less to work on.

Duffey should be gone too, but not to work on things.  Because he's just not a major league quality starter. Berrios has the talent to be a #2 type pitcher. 

[Brandon Warne]

Honestly, a friend texted me last night and said "why not send Duffey down and bring up a prospect?"

 

There's really nobody left. They could add Wheeler back to the 40-man roster -- and I think they should -- but other than that, they've brought up pretty much anyone and everyone who can help right now. 

[Brandon Warne]

And besides, the Buxton comp is inapt. 1. The Twins have far less invested in Duffey and 2. Duffey actually has somewhat sustained success at the big league level.

 

You can say that Duffey hasn't pitched well, but it's not like he's really got anything to learn or improve upon in AAA. He is who he is. 

 

If he's ever going to be a successful starter, this might just end up being his "Scott Baker, 2006" season. 

[wsnydes]

 

 

There's really nobody left. They could add Wheeler back to the 40-man roster -- and I think they should -- but other than that, they've brought up pretty much anyone and everyone who can help right now. 

That's just it.  Most of the position player prospects are in the upper minors while the most of the pitching prospects are in the lower minors.

[alarp33]

 

I am confused. The team is vilified for sending Berrios down to work on being ready for prime time. The team is vilified for not doing the same with Duffrey.

 

Berrios started 4 games before he was sent down for 2 months.  Duffey has been hit like a pinata for 18 starts not.  7.24 era since May 24.  

 

I'm not sure how you found that to be comparable situations

[Brandon Warne]

 

Berrios started 4 games before he was sent down for 2 months.  Duffey has been hit like a pinata for 18 starts not.  7.24 era since May 24.  

 

I'm not sure how you found that to be comparable situations

 

Duffey is 3+ years older, and his run last year has to give him some equity. Beyond that, he's nearly 26. 

[alarp33]

 

Duffey is 3+ years older, and his run last year has to give him some equity. Beyond that, he's nearly 26. 

 

Ok. That doesn't make the comparison I replied to any better. 

[Thrylos]

I think that Duffey would make a very good late inning reliever.  And last games was probably the last evidence the Twins need to make the move.  His FB dropped 3-4 mph in the 3rd inning and his command went all over the place.   He was a reliever whom they tried to make a strarter.  Let's call that experiment a failure and try to get some use out of someone with a lot of potential before you exhaust that potential by continuing failed experiments.

 

As far as promoting prospects go, there is no reason that they should not promote Gonsalves at this point, unless there is concern about inning thrown, that this season will be the most of his career.  Also, they got to see what they have on Wheeler, because he will be a minor league free agent next season.  I think they have seen enough of Dean.

[wsnydes]

 

IAs far as promoting prospects go, there is no reason that they should not promote Gonsalves at this point, unless there is concern about inning thrown, that this season will be the most of his career.  Also, they got to see what they have on Wheeler, because he will be a minor league free agent next season.  I think they have seen enough of Dean.

I agree, I know I've seen enough of Dean.  It sounds like Dean is starting Friday in Santiago's place, who apparently has a bruised thumb.  If a move is to be made, now might be the time to do it.

 

 

[twinssouth]

Bring up Gonsalves

[Gagne Fan]

Guys throwing well in AAA that deserve an opportunity....

Wheeler, Baxendale and Wimmers

 

Duffey has had plenty of opportunities. I'm starting to think he must have naked pictures of Molitor with a monkey

[JaleelWhite FanClub]

I wonder if it's too late in the year to have Duffey and May switch roles. May's injury will probably negate the possibility, but going into he next year I think the Twins ought to consider the transition. After all, Duffey was drafted as a closer while May did nothing but start before being bumped by this "outstanding" rotation the Twins have.

 

I mean, they are so good how could they possibly have room for him.

 

And leave it to the Twins to switch guys into unfamiliar roles only to see them struggle and/or get injured.

[Major League Ready]

 

 

 

As far as promoting prospects go, there is no reason that they should not promote Gonsalves at this point, unless there is concern about inning thrown, that this season will be the most of his career.  Also, they got to see what they have on Wheeler, because he will be a minor league free agent next season.  I think they have seen enough of Dean.

This is what numerous people said about Berrios last year.  As a matter of fact, their were sum who suggested he might be our best SP.  The same was said about Burdi in terms of RPs the year before.  That was obviously not the case but you still suggest there is no reason not to promote Gonsalves. Unless you have seen him pitch several times recently and also been privy to the coaching sessions, its a precarious position to suggest there is no reason he should not be promoted.  

[mikelink45]

Other teams bring up players from the low levels of MiBL - it is worth auditions at least.  What is to lose?  Only Santana is pitching like someone who should get all his starts.

[Major League Ready]

 

 

I wonder if it's too late in the year to have Duffey and May switch roles. May's injury will probably negate the possibility, but going into he next year I think the Twins ought to consider the transition. After all, Duffey was drafted as a closer while May did nothing but start before being bumped by this "outstanding" rotation the Twins have.

 

I mean, they are so good how could they possibly have room for him.

 

And leave it to the Twins to switch guys into unfamiliar roles only to see them struggle and/or get injured.

This is an awfully prejudice statement.  Maddon is the king of switching roles and using players in multiple roles.  He is hailed a genius but the the twins are idiots.  Beyond the Maddon comparison, this is an incredibly common thing.  It looks like you just want to complain.

 

What about Chris Sale being converted to a starter and Wade Davis or any number of other starters who found success as a RP.  How about Gordon from 3B to LF.  How about Desmond from SS to CF.  Schwarber and Bryant to the OF and on and on.

 

 

[laloesch]

 

Duffey was taken out of the rotation for a few minutes. I'm not sure why they've left him in for so long. Give some young guys a chance. Duffey can probably do well in the bullpen. If May was given this long of a leash he'd still be a starter. It's amazing to think they moved him because a terrible vet that is no longer mlb quality was going to throw a tantrum.

 

This post should have hundreds of likes.  It speaks to how pig headed the Twins FO is.  May was doing fine as a starter in 2015, but noooooo.....we need more relievers and they demoted him.  Supposedly at the beginning of this season he was in competition for a rotation spot...yeah okay.  The FO throws up smoke and mirrors all the time, but it was really about big contracts and possible trade chips (Nolasco and Milone).  The problem is that neither one of them did anything and the rest of the lot with the exception of Santana has been horrible for most of the season.  Yet they had to let the whining veterans pitch and they didn't deserve it.  Milone & Nolasco.  On top of that Gibson and Duffey have been train wrecks themselves and Hughes has been out for months now.

 

So now what?  Santiago doesn't look any better than Nolasco, Gibson has been getting rocked every other start and Duffey has regressed after a stellar debut last year.   

[Vanimal46]

Duffey should probably be a bullpen arm going into next year. But I'll leave that up to the new staff and see if they think he's fixable for the rotation. 

As far as the rest of the season, not sure who's left to call up. I suppose Wheeler. 

[Doomtints]

Don't demote Duffey.  Move him to the bullpen.  He has two pitches.  Successful starting pitchers need more than that.  He will be an elite bullpen arm once the Twins figure out how to properly staff a baseball team based on a player's abilities.

[Halsey Hall]

Not sure how moving Duffey to the bullpen would help.  It seems his major problem is pitching from the stretch. Unless he only starts innings from the pen, which limits his value there.

[Doomtints]

 

It seems his major problem is pitching from the stretch. Unless he only starts innings from the pen, which limits his value there.

 

I don't understand your point.  Can you explain further?  I know what "pitching from the stretch" means, but I don't understand how that relates to your other points.

[Rosterman]

Yes, Duffey may be teh second coming of Scott Diamond. If he must start, send him down. But I would rather look at him as a long relief, middle innings guy and see if he works there. For the now, though, send him down and let us look at Wheeler.

 

Same with Dean. NOT in the future plans. We NEED to look at Wimmers and make a short-term decision. Why not add him and Wheeler to the 40-man NOW and bring them both up to pitch more than less.

 

Duffey has made himself a non-roster guy with his recent work. The potential is there, but do you need to keep him on the roster above and beyond a minor league invite. Of course, you may lose him, but what is the downside to that.

[alarp33]

 

I don't understand your point.  Can you explain further?  I know what "pitching from the stretch" means, but I don't understand how that relates to your other points.

 

You can't pitch from the windup with runners on base.  Ie: he's saying you can't bring Duffey into the game with runners on 1st and 2nd because he's bad from the stretch ( I have no idea if numbers back up his hypothesis)

[Doomtints]

 

Yes, Duffey may be teh second coming of Scott Diamond. If he must start, send him down. But I would rather look at him as a long relief, middle innings guy and see if he works there. For the now, though, send him down and let us look at Wheeler.

 

I would say let's avoid the inevitable and move him straight to the bullpen.  There is no sense in jerking the guy around if we know the answer.

 

Molitor himself said when Duffey first came up that he should be a reliever, but because he kept producing last year they kept starting him.  Molitor already knows the answer, I'm not sure why he is suddenly being timid.

[jimmer]

 

Not sure how moving Duffey to the bullpen would help.  It seems his major problem is pitching from the stretch. Unless he only starts innings from the pen, which limits his value there.

With runners on (presumably when he is in the stretch), he allows a .328/.386/.630 line against.  His K/BB ratio drops 3 points (4.86 with bases empty 1.87 with men on base)

[howieramone2]

Board favorite May has regressed badly this season. He will have to do more than prove he is injury prone to earn a spot in the rotation.