Realistic trade deadline moves?

[Jham]

 

I don't understand using the all star game as any sort of indication of skill. Kurt Suzuki made the all star team. If each team didn't have to have representatives, the Twins wouldn't be sending anyone this year, or plenty of other years in the past.

Ok, use which ever qualifier you want.  I just picked All-Star because it's one word and most people have a decent concept of what that might entail.  Will he be a top 5 corner outfielder?  Will he be a top 10 finisher in MVP voter?  Top 10 in OPS or WAR or something else difficult to replace.

[Jham]

 

You're working from at least one very flawed assumption: Polanco's career vs. Dozier isn't happening at the same time.  Their age, team control, and other factors make a difference for how you plan.  So while we shouldn't plan solely based on age, it has to be a huge factor.

 

Throwing multiple assets at one player doesn't help us get better.  We need to improve the number of assets we have, not deal four quarters and hope for a dollar.  We need to keep the quarters and turn them into dollars themselves.  What you're advocating is extremely dicey.

I think you just made my point.  Dozier's a lot closer to a "dollar" than Polanco.  You propose trading Dozier's $1 for more .$25s AND hope that Polanco turns into a $1?  Polanco better be a $1 with $2 upside if you're going to go and make a decision to move away from one of your only decent players.  

My assumption is flawed?  Dozier is under contract for another couple years, and another extension isn't that out of the question.  You might say that seems like an expensive waste if you have a younger Polanco waiting in the wings, but if he's not better than Dozier, the team would still be worse and you've saved what?  The Pohlads a few bucks?  If you think Polanco can outperform Dozier or come close to his level over the next few years, fine.  But that seems unlikely to me.  And I really like Polanco, like more than Kepler even.  If he really is better than Dozier, he'll force his way in, and we can trade Dozier later this season, next season, or whenever.  I'm not sure the Twins aren't penciling him in at 3rd for when the Sano at 3rd experiment ends up like the Sano in right experience.  

[magiklair]

I tend to think we are going to be disappointed with the lack of action at the deadline.. TR will say they were in on so-and-so players. But little gets done in the end..

[jimbo92107]

 

I'm a "curious" on Suzuki.  Is the new bat really the reason for his recent offensive surge or a dream?  

I haven't swung an Axebat, but I have tried hitting with a modified tennis racket where the handle was bent about 20 degrees from straight relative to the racket face. The result was instant topspin strokes with the naturally lagging racket head. It also allowed much more spin on serves when angled over the ball. Adjustments to the handle can have a big effect. 

 

I think the Axebat allows a freer hinge action of the wrists, flipping the bat in a flatter plane, which results in more line drives. I wondered in a game thread if that might help Byron Buxton, who appears to think that "hitting down" on the ball means you should attack it like you're chopping wood. 

[KirbyDome89]

 

I just don't want a youth movement that ends up in 3 years being set up for another youth movement with our currently young players "blossoming" into flawed arb eligibles with little trade value. I'm willing to part with players who have value on the market and risk getting burned if it means we're at least trying to accumulate more rostered talent or better prospects.

Prospects are always volatile but its the only option. Its extremely difficult to have sustained success if you're trying to construct a team via free agency and trades. The Twins "plan," has centered around the players drafted over the past 5-6 years. Now that some of those players are ready for their shot at the MLB level they need to be given an opportunity. 

[Platoon]

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I don't have the time to read all 4 pages, but did anyone mention trading Duensing yet? /)

[jimmer]

I tend to think we are going to be disappointed with the lack of action at the deadline.. TR will say they were in on so-and-so players. But little gets done in the end..

disappointed but not at all surprised.

[Hrbowski]

 

I tend to think we are going to be disappointed with the lack of action at the deadline.. TR will say they were in on so-and-so players. But little gets done in the end..

Hardly. We are not buyers this year.

[jimmer]

No one I see is advocating buying, they are advocating selling. And those people will likely be disappointed.

[Hrbowski]

 

No one I see is advocating buying, they are advocating selling. And those people will likely be disappointed.

But then TR won't say, "We came close to a deal for..." because you only do that when you are buying.

[Hrbowski]

BTW, if we make a trade with the Mariners we should not target Zunino. If you want to go after their busts we should try Danny Hultzen.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

A few moves I would look to make as a GM. Also With this post im not looking at getting or selling all the guys on this list, but this is the list of names I bring up when I make that first call.

 

Red Soxs________Twins

SP. Santana______Rei

OF. Santana______Lakins

With E. Santana we might get away with the salary dump, mostly cuz it is the Soxs.

 

Seattle________Twins

Nunez________ Zunino

Sazuki________Altavilla,Yarbrough

 

Mets__________Twins

Plouffe________ Smoker

Nunez_________ Muzeika

 

KC__________ Twins

Plouffe_______Strahm

Nunez________Fernandez, O'Hearn

 

Abad, Grossman, Vargas, Park might be the only real trade worthy pieces. (not counting our future guys)

 

Unless a contending team as their 2nd baseman go to the DL I don't think you will hear anything worth while for Dozier, and I'm not sold on the idea Polonco can't play SS. But I would take the right deal on Dozier.

why would the Twins salary dump their best pitcher

[Willihammer]

I wonder if there is any chance a James Shields-Neil Allen reunification could work out. 

Padres pay 3/38. Swindle Rick Hahn into paying another 3/21. Send back Nolasco or Santana, in return we'd get Shields on a 3/9m deal and free up 15-31m in salary.

[HitInAPinch]

 

I haven't swung an Axebat, but I have tried hitting with a modified tennis racket where the handle was bent about 20 degrees from straight relative to the racket face. The result was instant topspin strokes with the naturally lagging racket head. It also allowed much more spin on serves when angled over the ball. Adjustments to the handle can have a big effect. 

 

I think the Axebat allows a freer hinge action of the wrists, flipping the bat in a flatter plane, which results in more line drives. I wondered in a game thread if that might help Byron Buxton, who appears to think that "hitting down" on the ball means you should attack it like you're chopping wood. 

That was kinda my feeling on the bat, as well.  Increasing bat speed by better grip.  I might help Buxton, but I'd hesitate putting too many changes on him.

[alarp33]

Suppose Kepler develops into an effective outfielder and the Twins stick with Buxton, what happens to Rosario and Grossman?  Does the lesser of the two become the 4th outfielder?  What does this mean for Danny Santana?  Part of the Twins dilemma from my perspective is that no-one has really stepped forward yet and claimed an outfield spot decisively (Kepler might be the exception).  I think that some of the frustration with Arcia and ultimately why he was traded was that he was not particularly good at anything.  I also think that if Buxton and or Rosario step up Santana could be the next to go, especially if Polanco is given the chance he deserves in the infield.

 

Rosario likely has a good 4th OFer ceiling, ditto for Grossman. Santana? I'd release him tomorrow so certainly not worried about what happens to him. He's not a major league level talent.

[AJswarley]

why would the Twins salary dump their best pitcher

He has yet to prove that he can pitch for this team, also "our best" is a bold statement when you are looking at the numbers, our beat might be Nolasco. Never thought I would utter that sentence

[GMinTraining]

 

Unless you have been watching a different team than me this season, Sano can clearly not be "put in a corner OF spot"... in fact the GM appears to agree with me as it sounds unlikely he will spend much more time out there.  

 

If you want to go into 2017 with an OF of Rosario, Buxton, Grossmann... prepare to lose a LOT of games.  

 

FWIW, I liked the Grossman signing, and would continue to play him.  But to act like an OF that includes him and Rosario is stocked enough to trade Kepler is insane

 

Harrison and Walker are not prospects.  Have you seen Walker try to play OF?

Obviously - you haven't seen him either.  He can play the outfield fine.  He covers ground and is coordinated when he leaves his feet.  His throwing had to improve and it has this season.  Mechanics not arm strength were his problems.  According to Seth as well.  -  And although his contact issues continue, he manages to still lead his AAA league in HRs (14) somehow for his 1st place ball club [1/2 way point of season].  6 teams in 5 years and all have been in first place.  No correlation I know,  Just saying............ Lol  

 

I'm making him my 4th outfielder next year just because his flawed ass is a lucky charm.  Haha

[GMinTraining]

 

I don't want to trade Kepler.  I think he's a future very good player.

Kepler is a future Corey Hart in his prime, but with better contact.  Not flashy defensively, but sound and All Star potential.

[Fireflyfan]

With the depth the Mets have in their rotation and as bad as Matt Harvey has been this year, he could be on the trading block.  He still could be a top of the rotation guy.  Maybe a change of teams is all he needs.  He's also has a couple years of arbitration left in him.  They also have Yoenis Cespedes (sp?) playing center field. I'd imagine they would want someone with better defense center so they could slide Cespedes to a corner spot.

 

I'd at least throw out Max Kepler and Plouffe for Harvey and see what they say.  If they came back wanting Plouffe and Buxton... I might do it for someone who could be an Ace...

[old nurse]

 

I wonder if there is any chance a James Shields-Neil Allen reunification could work out. 

Padres pay 3/38. Swindle Rick Hahn into paying another 3/21. Send back Nolasco or Santana, in return we'd get Shields on a 3/9m deal and free up 15-31m in salary.

I don't think Shields spent much time in Durham wher Allen coached.

[old nurse]

 

No one I see is advocating buying, they are advocating selling. And those people will likely be disappointed.

Why would anyone advocate  trade deadline buys with this team?  In the selling department buyers are looking to improve. What Twin would be an improvement for a team? That is why there will be limited movement from the Twins.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Why would anyone advocate  trade deadline buys with this team?  In the selling department buyers are looking to improve. What Twin would be an improvement for a team? That is why there will be limited movement from the Twins.

 

You should direct that question at the people wanting to buy.  I'm as baffled as you are.

[terrydactyls]

Why would anyone advocate  trade deadline buys with this team?  In the selling department buyers are looking to improve. What Twin would be an improvement for a team? That is why there will be limited movement from the Twins.

As an example, the Mets lost their 3rd baseman and don't have anyone to replace him. We have Plouffe with Sano about to take over 3rd. That's when someone from a crappy team can help a good team. Also Suzuki, Dozier, and Nolasco have been playing well recently and some team may want help for the second half of 2016. Trade any or all of them for whatever seems reasonable and move forward.

[twinssouth]

I posted this on another thread but it may be more relevant here. To start, I think we may be falling into the classic "grass is always greener" trap when advocating trading Dozier to open up a spot for Polanco.  Dozier has proven to be a quality 2B, it's hard to see how Polanco will be that much more (and that's if he hits, he might be less) to justify trading one of the few reasonably young MLB quality players we have. I vote vote this way:

1. Trade Plouffe - no brainer to open spot for Sano, take what you can get

2. Keep Dozier unless overwhelming offer comes in (unlikely)

3. Trade Nunez or Escobar - best return gets traded

4. Elevate Polanco - play him 4-5 days a week, if you keep Escobar he gets a day or two a SS, one at 2B, and one at 3B so Sano can DH, if you keep Nunez he gets more time at SS

5. Send Park to AA - leave him there at least a month and more until he is dominating.

 

6. Elevate Rosario - Goes into 4 man OF rotation with the starting 3, DanSan a permanent bench fixture, one of the 4 OF DHs half the time

7.  Elevate either Beresford (if you want a utility IF) or Vargas (if you want a DH/bench bat)

8.  Trade Jepsen if anyone will take him, if not DFA him.

9.  Elevate Chargois to take Jepsen's place and live with his development

10. Stretch out May at AAA as a starter and put him in rotation when he's ready in place of either Nolasco if he can be traded for some value or Duffy if he doesn't rebound.  If neither, put Duffy in the BP where he probably belongs and lose either Pressly or,

11. Trade Abad, but only of there is a strong package in return

 

 

 

 

12. Trade Mauer

[jimmer]

 

Why would anyone advocate  trade deadline buys with this team?  In the selling department buyers are looking to improve. What Twin would be an improvement for a team? That is why there will be limited movement from the Twins.

I'm confused why this was addressed to me, I'm not advocating buying at the deadline. Almost everyone who is advocating roster changes are advocating selling (including me), and I think those people who want the team to be selling will be disappointed 

 

IF we were buyers, they'd also be disappointed because Ryan isn't exactly hard charging, go get guys when we need them for a push, kind of guy.  2007 was a good example of that.

[dxpavelka]

 

Little confused on why all of our players have no trade value.... Do we not understand how baseball works? Somehow Correia has trade value but a allstar year player (Nunez) has none whatsoever!

Nunez is not an All-Star.  Might make the All-Star team but he's not an All-Star.  He's Bryan LaHair.

[old nurse]

 

As an example, the Mets lost their 3rd baseman and don't have anyone to replace him. We have Plouffe with Sano about to take over 3rd. That's when someone from a crappy team can help a good team. Also Suzuki, Dozier, and Nolasco have been playing well recently and some team may want help for the second half of 2016. Trade any or all of them for whatever seems reasonable and move forward.

Yup, Suzuki, Dozier, and Nunez are assets that would bring something back.  Plouffe is playing below replacement level. Somebody would have to think they can righten Plouffe for them to trade for him. He would be among the last options for the very few teams. They would probably look at Nunez first, or trade with San Diego, who would probably sell. Nolasco still has another year on the contract. I wouldn't hold out much hope unless a team has a young pitcher needing TJ.

[old nurse]

Correa netted the Twins money. Big deal. The return for most of these players would be a PTBNL or cash. Maybe a low level player could be obtained. The team has a lot of those. What would be a better idea is if they took a player who would be out of options next year. 

[howieramone2]

 

This would leave us with a bad team now and with no future to look forward to.    No thanks

We already have a bad team. The future is Sano and Buxton, not Polanco.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

 

Abad has some trade value, although light value if Twins are looking to dump him.

 

Everyone will want to trade for guys like Eddie Rosario, and Max Kepler, Buxton and Sanos of the world because they are young and controllable, but these are the kind of players the Twins need to succeed. In other words don't expect names that are going to help like the early 2000 era Twins that helped move the team up. 

I'd also add that these guys aren't exactly win now type players either  (except maybe Sano when comes back)...  There's some pieces that should generate some interest.  Dozier's resurgence just might do that in particular.  OPS is over .800 now and he's doing what he did before... flat out mash.