Realistic trade deadline moves?

[howeda7]

Sazuki, Plouffe and Nolasco (if possible) need to be traded for whatever they can get.

 

Abad, Kintzler, Boshers and Grossman should be traded if there is anything close to a reasonable return, but none are FA's.

 

I would like to see one of Escobar, Nunez or Dozier (in that order) traded to create a spot for Polanco. I think Escobar is essentially odd-man out going forward.

 

I'm torn on E. Santana. He's not been good, but if we trade him, we're probably going to be looking for starting pitching in FA again that won't be any better. I'd rather be locked into Santana for 2 more years than FA Pitcher X for 4.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Sazuki, Plouffe and Nolasco (if possible) need to be traded for whatever they can get.

 

Abad, Kintzler, Boshers and Grossman should be traded if there is anything close to a reasonable return, but none are FA's.

 

I would like to see one of Escobar, Nunez or Dozier (in that order) traded to create a spot for Polanco. I think Escobar is essentially odd-man out going forward.

 

I'm torn on E. Santana. He's not been good, but if we trade him, we're probably going to be looking for starting pitching in FA again that won't be any better. I'd rather be locked into Santana for 2 more years than FA Pitcher X for 4.

 

I don't think the Twins should be adding SPs in FA at all...  you have May (moderately high upside), Berrios (high upside), Meyer (high upside but with some serious questions) all being blocked, though Meyer is injured right now.  I wouldn't be adding any FAs even if Santana was traded.  They need to part ways with Milone and Nolasco for sure.  I could see Hughes sticking around in the pen in 2017, but that also makes for the occasional emergency start.  So I'm with you in that I wouldn't mind Santana staying, but that still pretty much leaves one of the three I want in the rotation out when you factor in Duffy and Gibson. 

 

 

[DaveW]

IMO Dozier and Nunez should be shopped very aggressively. If you can get anything close to a catcher with upside or a pitcher with upside you pull the trigger immediately.

 

If you don't end up trading BOTH of Dozier/Nunez then you need to shop Escobar hard as well, his return likely wouldn't be as high, but it's time to make room for Polanco (and then Gordon)

 

Plouffe, Suzuki, Santana should all be traded for anything. Santana maybe you hold out for a tiny bit more, but he certainly shouldn't be held onto like some asset that is going to help the future.

 

I would also prefer they pick up 95% of Nolasco's remaining contract and ship him out for a PTBNL. He serves zero purpose on this team moving forward. Giving those innings to Berrios, May, Meyer, Gonsalves, or hell, even Dean is better a better use of those games.

I would also offer up Park for anyone that would take his contract straight up at this point. Let someone else deal with him.

 

Pray that someone offers up the next Tommy Milone for Grossman and go ahead and pull that trigger as well.

 

Abad? Frankly this bullpen sucks, unless you get a good offer in return I would much rather he come back as  LOOGY next year.

 

Milone: trade for whoever you can.

[FormerMinnasotan]

We need to rid our selves of Ricky Nolasco asap. The problem is that we probably need to trade one of our minor league arms to complete the trade. With that in mind I could see the Twins packaging Ricky Nolasco+Felix Jorge(minor league arm).

[DaveW]

 

 

I don't think the Twins should be adding SPs in FA at all...  you have May (moderately high upside), Berrios (high upside), Meyer (high upside but with some serious questions) all being blocked, though Meyer is injured right now.  I wouldn't be adding any FAs even if Santana was traded.  They need to part ways with Milone and Nolasco for sure.  I could see Hughes sticking around in the pen in 2017, but that also makes for the occasional emergency start.  So I'm with you in that I wouldn't mind Santana staying, but that still pretty much leaves one of the three I want in the rotation out when you factor in Duffy and Gibson. 

The FA market for SP isn't sexy by any means, but I think you can find a decent 1-2 year deal here and there.

Rich Hill would be an interesting pick up on a 2 year deal IMO if the price is right. He is a wild card more or less, but the bizarre upside is there and its hard to argue with his results (albeit limited) the last 2 seasons.

 

Though when it comes to the FA market as a whole, I would love for them to take a run at Ramos or Wieters on 2 or 3 year deals before any offer is made to a SP.

 

Franklin Gutierrez is a real sneaky guy you could platoon with Rosario (or Arcia if he was still here...grrrr.) in 2017 as well. The guy mashes LHP, plays good D and wouldn't cost much. Basically he would be the picture perfect 4th OF.

 

As far as SP worth looking at on a one year or Minor league deal:

Brett Anderson: His stuff isn't sexy, and he is injured this year (like every year) but you can't argue with the results. 1 year, 1 mil guarantee with up to 6 mil in incentives might entice him to give the Twins a shot.

 

Jorge De La Rosa: The stuff has always been there, the results have not, his numbers have been poor in Coors, but in 2015 he had a 3.24 ERA on the road. Could be a sneaky signing for a 1 year+ 1 year team option for him.

 

Doug Fister: The stuff is "meh" but the results have always been there. Only 32, a career 3.42 ERA guy and has been hitting that number in 2016. If the price is right on a 2 year deal, he would make an excellent #4 type. (#3 type for this rough ass rotation)

 

CC Sabbathia: No chance a rebuilding Yankee team picks up his 25 million option. CC has had a nice bounce back year (3.17 ERA) , and could potentially be had on a "prove it" one year contract. The Twins I'm sure wouldn't mind a LHP in the rotation as well. As an in recovery alcoholic perhaps a city like Minnie would be more appealing than a large city like NY, LA etc.

 

There are a few other interesting 1 year type guys out there as well. The FA class isn't as great as years past no doubt, but than again the Twins never went after the elite guys anyways. I think there are a couple potential gems lurking....

 

 

 

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

The FA market for SP isn't sexy by any means, but I think you can find a decent 1-2 year deal here and there.

Rich Hill would be an interesting pick up on a 2 year deal IMO if the price is right. He is a wild card more or less, but the bizarre upside is there and its hard to argue with his results (albeit limited) the last 2 seasons.

 

Though when it comes to the FA market as a whole, I would love for them to take a run at Ramos or Wieters on 2 or 3 year deals before any offer is made to a SP.

 

Franklin Gutierrez is a real sneaky guy you could platoon with Rosario (or Arcia if he was still here...grrrr.) in 2017 as well. The guy mashes LHP, plays good D and wouldn't cost much. Basically he would be the picture perfect 4th OF.

 

As far as SP worth looking at on a one year or Minor league deal:

Brett Anderson: His stuff isn't sexy, and he is injured this year (like every year) but you can't argue with the results. 1 year, 1 mil guarantee with up to 6 mil in incentives might entice him to give the Twins a shot.

 

Jorge De La Rosa: The stuff has always been there, the results have not, his numbers have been poor in Coors, but in 2015 he had a 3.24 ERA on the road. Could be a sneaky signing for a 1 year+ 1 year team option for him.

 

Doug Fister: The stuff is "meh" but the results have always been there. Only 32, a career 3.42 ERA guy and has been hitting that number in 2016. If the price is right on a 2 year deal, he would make an excellent #4 type. (#3 type for this rough ass rotation)

 

CC Sabbathia: No chance a rebuilding Yankee team picks up his 25 million option. CC has had a nice bounce back year (3.17 ERA) , and could potentially be had on a "prove it" one year contract. The Twins I'm sure wouldn't mind a LHP in the rotation as well. As an in recovery alcoholic perhaps a city like Minnie would be more appealing than a large city like NY, LA etc.

 

There are a few other interesting 1 year type guys out there as well. The FA class isn't as great as years past no doubt, but than again the Twins never went after the elite guys anyways. I think there are a couple potential gems lurking....

 

Not against Ramos.  C is pretty thin right now in the high minors.  The team is going to need help there for a while, and getting a guy like Ramos, even if he's expensive makes a ton of sense there.  I'd probably strongly consider a 1 year make good FA contract in CF as well as well as some pen help.

 

I don't think we should be making plans for Gordon just yet.  I think Dozier should be shopped as I don't see this team competitive in 2017.  The soonest is 2018 which is Brian's final year.  That frees up room for Polanco who I think will be a decent 2B.  Not sure he'll be as good as BD (at least not at first), but he can be above average.  Honestly, I think Escobar is a candidate to lock up for a year or two beyond FA.  He's not expensive and has enough upside that if he simply maintains what he's done, he's tradable when Gordon is ready and if he does well he's a coveted asset. He'd also be relatively cheap to DFA if he falls flat (which I don't think he will at this point).

 

Truthfully, I'd rather go with a rotation of Santana, May, Gibson, Berrios, and Duffy/Meyer than pick up a FA.  Hughes goes to the pen in that scenario and Milone/Nolasco are no longer with the org.  There's at least some upside there and if they run with an OF in 2017 of Rosario, FA CF at first supplanted by Buxton at the trade deadline, Kepler.  Defensively, that should be a decent OF which will help the pitchers.  Honestly, with the exception of 3B/2B, it's a pretty decent defensive alignment in general. 

 

That is what my 2017 plan would be.  I think you'd see some hope at least, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were some frustrating bumps in 2017.  I'd shop Dozier, Nolasco, Abad, and Milone heavily.  Might part ways with Nunez for the right deal, but I don't mind him as a part of a 2B/SS/3B platoon.  Everyone gets a day off every 4th game in that scenario and there's usually a decent PH option on the bench. The same could be done with Vargas/Mauer/Park at 1B/DH, though Vargas gets the lions share of the bench time in that scenario. 

[DaveW]

I would like that rotation as well, but they need to actually give May a chance to start (and succeed) for that to happen. I also am not very high on Duffey/Meyer's current odds of sticking as starters as well.

 

Bringing in CC or Fister or someone similar on a one year deal wouldn't be the worst insurance ever IMO.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I would like that rotation as well, but they need to actually give May a chance to start (and succeed) for that to happen. I also am not very high on Duffey/Meyer's current odds of sticking as starters as well.

 

Bringing in CC or Fister or someone similar on a one year deal wouldn't be the worst insurance ever IMO.

 

I'm probably higher on Duffey than Meyer, but truthfully I'm ready to write off 2017 and just let them see if they can stick (though in Meyers case I hope can come back yet this year and log some innings in AAA).  But as it is, dumping Milone and Nolasco leaves us with a few of the younger guys, but still 6 starters for 5 spots and that assumes Hughes is in the pen (and that would be my plan in 2017).  I think most of those guys have pretty good upside.  Not sure who at the end of the day sticks, but that gives guys like Romero, Stewart, Gonsalves, and Jorge some good experience at AA/AAA not to mention some insurance in AAA in Wheeler and Dean.  If the offense comes around in 2017, then I think you go get the big FA or start packaging some of these guys for established help.  Not sure I'd go too big this offseason other than maybe a higher upside make good type deal that can be flipped at the deadline. 

[DaveW]

 

I'm probably higher on Duffey than Meyer, but truthfully I'm ready to write off 2017 and just let them see if they can stick (though in Meyers case I hope can come back yet this year and log some innings in AAA).  But as it is, dumping Milone and Nolasco leaves us with a few of the younger guys, but still 6 starters for 5 spots and that assumes Hughes is in the pen (and that would be my plan in 2017).  I think most of those guys have pretty good upside.  Not sure who at the end of the day sticks, but that gives guys like Romero, Stewart, Gonsalves, and Jorge some good experience at AA/AAA not to mention some insurance in AAA in Wheeler and Dean.  If the offense comes around in 2017, then I think you go get the big FA or start packaging some of these guys for established help.  Not sure I'd go too big this offseason other than maybe a higher upside make good type deal that can be flipped at the deadline. 

All good points, I just fear that plan B would instantly be Pat Dean again. However if I had to prioritize "moves" to be made in FA or trades heading into 2017 it would be the following (as of today):

 

1. A starting catcher.

2. Two legit 7th/8th/9th inning type RP

3. A starting pitcher with upside, but still could give you some innings as a #4 worst case scenario: Sabathia, Fister etc

4. A DH.

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

so the question begs, would you be willing to put Meyer/Duffy/someone in AAA for a 1 year make good deal on someone else?

 

I'd probably let the kids figure it out personally, but if you signed someone, they are going to play if they're ready.

[DaveW]

so the question begs, would you be willing to put Meyer/Duffy/someone in AAA for a 1 year make good deal on someone else?

 

I'd probably let the kids figure it out personally, but if you signed someone, they are going to play if they're ready.

Duffey hasn't shown he belongs in the majors at this point, he has been dreadful. Meyer? Who knows, but I wouldn't be keeping a rotation spot open for him....