Where Do Twins Stand in Pursuit of David Price?

Angles have urgency and money and lost out on the FA.

My guess is it will be them

I would be fine with a trade for Price but Boston would have to eat a ton of the remaining contract. I would be fine if they ate a little over $50M so it would end up being like a 3 year $40M deal for the Twins.

No thanks, unless Boston eats a chunk of that salary (which they won't)

I would be fine with a trade for Price but Boston would have to eat a ton of the remaining contract. I would be fine if they ate a little over $50M so it would end up being like a 3 year $40M deal for the Twins.

He is owed 96 mil over the next 3 years ... Boston needs to cut 20 million each year to get under the tax. Not sure how that works if they pay 50 million "this" year. Otherwise as some have stated sending a young inexpensive player with him and we take on the whole amount.... Or.... just send us Sale and we send one of our young arms with whatever... there would be our ace.... I like that plan better not likely but I like it better..... 

Graterol throws innings 1-2. Price 3-7. Nice.

I'd rather wait until next winter's free agency at this point.  I don't see a trade happening.  I do see a couple bargain pickups during spring training.  That seems to be the direction the F.O. likes to take.  I'd wager our pitching help will be coming mid-season in the form of Alcala and Dhuran, and Kirilloff to add some more punch to the lineup after Buxton is out for an extended stretch (hoping that's not the case).

If we take that contract in full then Boston is sending us a decent prospect. This is the way I would do it.

Price has 6.2 fwar over the last 3 seasons which equates to just under $20M/year in value. Expecting more from him over his age 34-36 seasons is not realistic, so to even get to neutral value the Red Sox would have to eat at least $36M (and that's assuming no additional drop off due to age). I'm curious to see if Boston is willing to eat enough salary while getting back no real prospects.

Price and Jay Groome. We pay 3/60 of his contract.

We pay all 30 million of it in 2020, 20 million in 21 and 10 million in 22. We also receive Red Sox top pitching prospect Jay Groome while send Red Sox Brent Rooker.

Rooker can fill an opening at 1B for the Sox and getting the Sox under the luxury tax with room to fill holes for this season.

we receive a top prospect and David Price. Allows us to use recourses now with payroll flexibility later.

Why help the Red Sox? Let them have to sit on that fat contract. Even at 40M for 3, no guarantee Price will be worth that. 

Why do people all come off like this? Why help whoever. It's not like the Twins don't need pitching.

If he were a free agent according to steamer projections he would slot in by WAR above Keuchel and Bumgarner and below Ryu. An AAV of 20 million would be in line with the crop of free agents and they wouldn’t have to go a 4th year.

The Twins have urgency. They missed out on other free agents. They should be motivated here.

It doesn’t even have to be a good deal. Pay too much salary year 1 just to get the deal done.

We pay all 30 million of it in 2020, 20 million in 21 and 10 million in 22. We also receive Red Sox top pitching prospect Jay Groome while send Red Sox Brent Rooker. Rooker can fill an opening at 1B for the Sox and getting the Sox under the luxury tax with room to fill holes for this season. we receive a top prospect and David Price. Allows us to use recourses now with payroll flexibility later.

This seems pretty reasonable, although I would see 25/20/15 rather than 30/20/10.

Someone will buy Price, whether it be the Twins, the White Sox, or the Padres.  Question is the cost to Boston.  Biggest Twins issue is if it is the White Sox they will have an impressive starting rotation (on paper).  Do not want to overspend, but unless we can get Archer for little, may have to go this direction.  Am hoping the FO is not in the our pitching depth in the minors will work out.

Fangraphs had a whole article on this earlier this year. Their conclusion was there are 3 ways to move Price and get under the luxury tax limit. First, receiving team takes on all the contract and basically wipes out the entire Red Sox farm system. Second, receiving team takes on whole contract but also gets Benintenidi. Third, receiving team gets Price, Eduardo Rodriguez and $30MM (over the 3 years of the contract).

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/david-prices-trade-value/

I think Price can help.

His OPS against excluding the one plate appearance he face a pitcher was 757. Bumgarner’s excluding opponent pitchers was 764. Keuchel 811.

The Red Sox have to help here. Like Ryu he is certainly an injury risk. In this market I think he gets a contract at least the level of Keuchel.

As for his pitching the Twins need to believe that they can help him find that change up that was once elite. When elite he is elite. If they can get it back to a plus pitch they have a very good pitcher.

If you got the money to burn and it doesn't cost you top prospects, just players that are still good but in the pecking order for depth, might be a wise move. Hey, if he rebounds, you can still flip him, too, at some point.

You need soeone better than Gibson for 2020. You will need someone better than Odorizzi for 2021. One more addition, especially a guy with skills, will still allow you to see a rotation of arms thru a fifth starter spot, working the beginning of the eason in place of Pineda, and still do the same thing in 2021 if one of the arms previewed this season can hold a solid roster spot in 2020. 

You are just asking to spend a million per start (hopefully) for a guy for the next three years. 

Better than a million+ for the next 7 years?

Bigger question, can you extend Berrios sooner rather than later?

Or, maybe, just bring back Francisco Liriano.

Eduardo Rodriguez would be incredible! I'd do that all day long

Fangraphs had a whole article on this earlier this year. Their conclusion was there are 3 ways to move Price and get under the luxury tax limit. First, receiving team takes on all the contract and basically wipes out the entire Red Sox farm system. Second, receiving team takes on whole contract but also gets Benintenidi. Third, receiving team gets Price, Eduardo Rodriguez and $30MM (over the 3 years of the contract).

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/david-prices-trade-value/

I think this is the Twins last pitcher they can aquire without giving up to much in prospects and is more like signing a free agent. I said last fall this could be fall backe option for the Twins to acqire a pitcher and he falls in what Twins have been looking for in left hand veteran pitcher. I wouldn't worry about next 40 man Roster yet because a lot of things can happen in coming year. First is we have number players that will be free agents next year coming of the roster. Second is we have number of players that could possibly get traded before start of 2021 season. To name a few Rosario, Sano, and several of relief pitchers if they can't be signed for reasonable contracts in near future. I think long term plan here is that Twins are going to replace from the farm system as there players age and trade these maturing players for future prospects. I believe this has been strategy all along is always keep most affordable and controllable players and if you can't sign your players is to trade them with two years left of control to get some quality prospects. I do not believe they believe in going all out for winner and then going back into loosing phase. They want to be chase and hope lighting in the bottle strikes and they win a world series but they want a team that is contending for playoff spot. I look at like in college basketball they are midmajor team successful season is getting to the tournament knowing they have very small chance of winning. But success is measured by getting to the tournament and for most people now they like seeing winning team when they go and has reasonable chance of winning the game they are watching. This may not what avid Twin fan wants to hear but today large percentage people going to the games are not avid fans they are going for experience of the outing and hoping to see good game. I used to be one fans that would have screamed bloody murder but I have come to this realization that Twins ownership is not here to win whole thing but here to entertain the fans to where they are profitable year in year out. There goal is to make money every year and have team that can draw enough fans to do this. The goal of winning championships is not there primary goal because to do that in small market the up and downs are to large and primary goal is to turn a profit every year. If you look at it this management team has been fulfilling this since they have taken over. This is what got previous management fired because they couldn't put good enough product on field to satisfy the casual fan. I willing to bet most of people on this site find this disgusting but what we have two different goals of success and if you can't see this after nearly 30 years of ownership you haven't been playing close enough attention. The time we won championships when they first bought club and owners wife was avid fan and then we had leadership that measured success by championships and since her death we had goal of being successful profitable business. Which is right goal for owner of business to be most profitable year in year out. This ownership is in it for long haul not inflate success of business and then sell it for high rate of return but to run business year in year out through generations of the family.

Would the Red Sox take Homer Bailey and Rich Hill?

I hear Rich Hill is from the area and would approve the trade.

I want Chris Sale, not David price.  HOWEVER...if the red Sox would include Eduardo Rodriguez in a trade if the Twins took on ALL of Price's remaining contract I'd do it.  I've read several times that the Red Sox may have to include E-Rod in any Price deal.  I can't believe Boston would do that.  But I keep seeing it written about.  Smarter people than me must know something.  If no E-Rod, I'm not interested in Price at all.  Let the White Sox have him.  Trade me Chris Sale.  All 5-years and $145 million.  Twins get Sale for years 31, 32, 33, 34, & 35.  At $29-$30 million per year.  For a true ACE.  I would give them Rooker and maybe a young pitching prospect (Enlow? Smeltzer?) for all 5 years of Sale.  

The Red Sox estimated luxury tax payment for 2020 is about 10 million. 

I don't see why they would dump Price for little AND eat salary when thy could just keep him and pay the peanuts that the tax really is.