Should Falvey come back for 2025? Does he want to?

[Riverbrian]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

An innings eater would have been a godsend. 

We got a 5.71 ERA from Matthews and 4.90 from Festa, and that's withOUT eating innings.

I gotta believe an innings eater could have matched that production while actually eating innings.

Part of the 2nd half pen collapse was needing 12 outs minimum from 3/5ths of the rotation every time out.

 

See above: not preparing pitchers 

 

Festa and Matthews are a little misleading. Matthews had two bad starts and one of those was real bad that inflated his number. So did Festa. 

Part of the problem was that Rocco would not allow those two to actually eat innings. He always had the quick hook for them... Which exposed the Bullpen depth. 

So Yeah... I agree with you but in the end... Naw... I'll go with the Rookies and get bullpen serious at the deadline.  

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

Well, Falvey could be covering his boss's ***, but he specifically denied that finances played a role in the 2024 deadline.

They also added Trevor Richards, who has a higher salary than, say...AJ Puk.

So there was at least SOME salary space available. 

They just wasted it. Worse than wasted it, because Richards actually made the team worse, and was soon gone. 

 

 

The GM has said this every year under this ownership, and yet.....

Do we really think every year but one this team didn't add money at the deadline because every year it was the wrong thing to do, even though every other team does it? 

Seems unlikely. 

[tony&rodney]

I'm wanting to wait until November to weigh in on future plans, but will just repeat a comment I have made many times in the last few years with some support added. .... Falvey has the team he wanted.

Yes, the budget will not reach levels of larger market teams. i think we all knew that and one must acknowledge the Twins having the highest budget within their division.

When one watches the Twins and their minor league teams there is an obvious Falvey hand in play. The emphasis is on the bats and on developing starting pitching from mid to lower round draft picks. Athleticism and defense are a bonus but not an emphasis. The results show up at Target Field.

Falvey has one of the thirty top front office jobs available in MLB. I seriously doubt he would step aside except as a face saving move that avoided being fired. Whether the Pohlad corporation will make a decision to release Favley and begin anew with someone else is impossible to know. I don't believe the company is that interested in deep involvement in baseball and will stay the course if the financial side can remain minimally profitable.

Falvey has had and continues to have a decent range of options for putting together the type of roster that he desires for Twins baseball. The 2024 Twins are Falvey's guys. 

I'm wondering if Falvey can change how he views the game of baseball. If he cannot and he is retained there is little reason to expect a different type of baseball than seen this season. However, extraordinary luck with health and production could easily return the Twins to the top of the AL Central. A deep playoff run has always seemed tough to imagine with the current philosophy embraced by the front office.

[nicksaviking]

48 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

That was my sense of things.  They were put in a holding pattern and then had to scramble when Defcon-1 was issued on payroll.

The malfeasance on the broadcasting deal had catastrophic consequences for this year.

Yeah, if the financial bottom line is as important as the Pohlad's indicate, they need a president who is skilled at negotiating TV deals, some Wall Street hot shot and/or a marketing wizard. Not a guy with only three sentences on his Wikipedia page who has zero work experience outside of the Twins organization.

[TaterTot]

As others have said, when you are riding momentum from a great 2023 playoff run, the last thing you want to do is cut payroll by 20+ million. We need owners who truly care about baseball, and not just the financials of it. 

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, DuluthRoots said:

Trade the existing high dollar contracts for up and coming talent (like Povich?).

I suggest keeping modest expectations for this.  That is the paradox of any free-agent you sign - with rare exceptions, the player signed with you because no one else made a better offer.  Now you want another team to take over that same contract, and offer you minor-league talent for the privilege? 

Carlos Correa for example signed with us after two other deals fell through and the Twins got him for less - but those other teams could have offered the same amount less and apparently did not.

The flow of talent might actually have to go in the other direction - remember the Josh Donaldson trade, which did not net us prospects of note and in actuality cost us something.  That one was a complicated scenario which our FO did a good job of disguising.

[mrcharlie]

21 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

I appreciate this chance to talk bigger picture.  Here are some thoughts I have:

1) I think the team is right to prioritize matching up righties vs. lefties and vice-versa.  The data this year suggests seeking out that matchup via pinch-hitting (especially in aggressive fashion early in the game) is probably not working the way they expected it to.  I think a serious look at this strategy is necessary.

At the very least, if you plan to employ it, you better have a roster capable of enacting it with proper depth to pull it off.

2) Herein lies the rub on the above....will they be given the green light to fill out the roster with depth?  I'm a big believer that you win a World Series with your depth more than your star power.  One need only peruse the last decade of playoff runs to see that the teams who make it often bank on guys who are the 19th or 12th or 23rd best guy on the roster in April.  But without the cash to spend to build that kind of depth, can they pull off what they're trying to accomplish?  If not, then they seriously need to look at trading to add depth - in coin terms - think move dimes for two nickels.  Or a quarter for five nickels.  Not my preferred build style, but perhaps necessary.

3) Agreed on the farm - it's taken longer than we had hoped to see pitching returns, but it's clear this FO and their scouts are acquiring and developing talent well.  That cannot be overstated as a positive.

A few I'd like to add:

* I hope this FO revisits the stance it has on speed and the running game.  We are far too slow-footed and our roster is incapable of applying pressure to opposing defenses and creating easier run scoring opportunities.  

* The bullpen salvage operation has been pretty successful overall, but they need to focus on filling their major league bullpen with reclamation projects.  Sign guys you work on in St. Paul as reserves, your 4th thru 6th guys can't be as unstable as we've been using.

*We need to consider what our organizational coaching philosophies on hitting are doing to produce the kinds of inconsistencies we've seen.  Players seem to really struggle with their approach staying consistent.  I know slumps happen, but there are slumps and there are what happened this year where we go from an .800 team OPS for two months to .600 for a month and a half to end the year.  The swing shouldn't be that dramatic and that team wide.

* Our training/medical staff has had some MAJOR misses on trades and other issues with player health.  A serious look at that department and how it's failing the team in preparation, nutrition, maintenance, evaluation, etc. is desperately needed.

Thoughtful run down.   I agree on few items.  The medical/training evaluations need to improve. Two years ago a new head trainer was brought in to address that aspect... Little impact it seems.  Scouting department needs to be addressed.  I have concerns about the coaching staff under Falvey.  It is thought that the FO offers guidance on in-game decisions...then he needs to also take some heat for the mental lapses and uninspired performances.  Fire Watkins while he's at it. Spot on re: roster depth.  Noting that Cleveland KC and Detroit have lower payrolls is good evidence.  I do not understand your point on the bullpen.  As the game is played now you need arms that can handle 2+ days of work.  The emphasis on velo is questionable because it limits how often you can deploy them.  The one bright spot under this FO of his is the farm system growth.  Now one of the top system in player rankings. Question is: will the coaching develop major league talent in them.

[TheLeviathan]

1 minute ago, mrcharlie said:

Thoughtful run down.   I agree on few items.  The medical/training evaluations need to improve. Two years ago a new head trainer was brought in to address that aspect... Little impact it seems.  Scouting department needs to be addressed.  I have concerns about the coaching staff under Falvey.  It is thought that the FO offers guidance on in-game decisions...then he needs to also take some heat for the mental lapses and uninspired performances.  Fire Watkins while he's at it. Spot on re: roster depth.  Noting that Cleveland KC and Detroit have lower payrolls is good evidence.  I do not understand your point on the bullpen.  As the game is played now you need arms that can handle 2+ days of work.  The emphasis on velo is questionable because it limits how often you can deploy them.  The one bright spot under this FO of his is the farm system growth.  Now one of the top system in player rankings. Question is: will the coaching develop major league talent in them.

My bullpen point speaks to yours: too many guys who are Brock Stewart wild-card types.

[Major League Ready]

5 hours ago, NotAboutWinning said:

I heard an interesting point yesterday. Ownership does not want to spend $$$. The FO does not want to spend prospects. That doesn't leave much space to maneuver in. 

Which franchises with similar or less revenue have been the most successful over the past 20 years.  The answer is Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay, and Minnesota Milwaukee the next two most successful.  Cleveland, Oakland, and Tampa have all produced over 80% of their WAR via drafting and players acquired as prospects in some form.  The most successful teams have not done it on spending and they have produced 4XZ more WAR from trading for prospects as they have trading for proven players.  That's 20 years of history for every team in the league.  So, perhaps the disconnect is that these front offices are paying attention to what has worked and what has worked is not what many fans think works.

[mrcharlie]

4 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

Which franchises with similar or less revenue have been the most successful over the past 20 years.  The answer is Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay, and Minnesota Milwaukee the next two most successful.  Cleveland, Oakland, and Tampa have all produced over 80% of their WAR via drafting and players acquired as prospects in some form.  The most successful teams have not done it on spending and they have produced 4XZ more WAR from trading for prospects as they have trading for proven players.  That's 20 years of history for every team in the league.  So, perhaps the disconnect is that these front offices are paying attention to what has worked and what has worked is not what many fans think works.

Good read.  It gives me the thought that the media coverage of the team budget and imagining all the ramifications and possiblities to no end was poorly thought out.  I for one, did not realize the Twins had the highest player $$ within our division until a week ago, and I read up on the Twins year round.  So obviously its a Media plot to... Oh never mind. 🤣

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

1 hour ago, TheLeviathan said:

That was my sense of things.  They were put in a holding pattern and then had to scramble when Defcon-1 was issued on payroll.

The malfeasance on the broadcasting deal had catastrophic consequences for this year.

Possibly worse next year.

1) no post season money

2) no TV contract (today)

3) Lopez gets a big raise this offseason

4) not much coming off the books this offseason

[Jocko87]

2 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Well, Falvey could be covering his boss's ***, but he specifically denied that finances played a role in the 2024 deadline.

They also added Trevor Richards, who has a higher salary than, say...AJ Puk.

So there was at least SOME salary space available. 

They just wasted it. Worse than wasted it, because Richards actually made the team worse, and was soon gone. 

 

 

This is the part I can't shake, and I think it's more damning than anything else from the past year. 

There were multiple relievers traded that cost less cash than Richards.  I dont mind the swing at Richards in a vacuum, but when his salary represents the same money as three other minimum salary guys something is very wrong.

I've been making the case for a long time that I don't care about payroll this year. One of the main reasons for that I was comfortable with them spending from the prospect account.   Plenty of Jay Harry to get sent away. 

Whatever happened here wasn't a cash problem and it's something Falvey controlled directly. If he had another plan that went to hell, I'd like to hear it but it's tough to see where else they could go.

Getting something like an Erceg alone would be a jolt.  Getting a guy everyone is squinting at for potential is almost a negative move.

[Major League Ready]

16 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

Possibly worse next year.

1) no post season money

2) no TV contract (today)

3) Lopez gets a big raise this offseason

4) not much coming off the books this offseason

The departures and the raises basically cancel each other out.  They will be around $125-130M assuming they keep Vasquez, Paddack and Castro.  I think they would have to eat 1/2 of Vasquez's salary and Castro is well worth the cost.  If they believe in SWR, that just leaves the 5th spot open.  It is conceivable they look at the depth in AAA and trade Paddack if they could get a RH OFer or simply use the savings to sign one or perhaps sign a LH RP.

[DocBauer]

Some interesting points made. My $.05 worth:

1] PH is a fine tactic to have, and use. And having a couple "platoon" bats available at certain spots makes sense. BUT A) you can't fall as often in to the trap of PH too early in the game. That leaves you WITHOUT key bats you've already removed from the game in the late innings, and B) ALL of the 13 position players should be ABLE to solid ball and hit the ball with some degree of success, even against same side pitching.

I fully recognize the long standing issues of LH bats performing, generally, much poorer against LH arms. It's just a fact. But it's silly to build your lineup in such a way that you have RH bats on your bench that are only successful against LH pitching and lousy against RH arms. You're OVER PLAYING your roster to 20-25% of that split. And at times...witness Margot this season...there are going to be times when your "lefty smashers" are going to be pressed in to greater than "expected" duty. You've cut off your nose to spite your face.

Let's assume, for a moment, that someone like Keirsey could hit well enough at the ML level in 2025 to be a legitimate backup CF for Buxton, as well as the corner spots, and be a valuable PR as well. Not saying he's great, or a difference maker, just a solid, not embarrassing performer. But you still want/need another RH OF bat. Then sign or trade for a decent corner RH OF who can at least keep his OPS somewhere CLOSE to the league average. I mean, would a .670 OPS be that awful? Beats the hell out of something in the high .500's or low .600's.

Nobody that's a stud, or a star, or an expensive, daily starter...just a good bat against LH pitching who's competent against RH pitching. 

2] I fully embrace positional flexibility for the roster. But I think some get in an unnecessary tizzy about this approach. Baseball has ALWAYS embraced positional flexibility. Traditionally, they have been called a 4th OF and UTILITY player. But when you have a 13 man roster, you need to have such flexibility at times. Catchers are catchers. Correa is THE SS. Lewis plays 3B because Correa is at SS and he's just not a great SS any longer. But if Lewis can play 2B once in a while, and he should be able to do so, that's flexibility due to injuries, days off, or late game moves, etc. Miranda has improved his 3B defense, and shows some potential at 1B as well. Nobody is asking him to play 2B/SS/OF. Nobody is asking Wallner or Larnach to play CF, just both corner spots. Part of what makes Castro so valuable is not just because he's a good offensive player, but because he can help virtually everywhere. 

Seemingly forever, and for various reasons, MILB players usually play more than a single spot. That's so everyone can play, better prospects can be in the lineup daily even at different locations, and sometimes a top prospect might end up moving to a different spot at the ML level simply because they are blocked by a top player, and/or because there's opportunity elsewhere. Lee...once his bat comes around...is a prime example. He's a solid SS, but an even better 2B and 3B it appears.

There's a lot of really good ML players past and present from other teams that have been successful playing more than a single spot. I embrace the Twins philosophy of positional flexibility. I think much too much has been made of this when injuries have created a couple of unintended scrambles. But I will admit to seeing a little too much in the way of general lapses in the field, or on the basepaths, that I think need to be cleaned up. Rookies and young players almost undoubtedly will make more mistakes than veteran players. But I'd like to see a little more emphasis placed on the general fundamentals.

3] I think the farm system is in great shape! It's filled with solid depth, some high ceiling players, and the best pitching depth I can remember in maybe decades. And some has already begun to arrive, or are getting really close. The FO, lead by Falvey/Levive has done a great job finding that young talent, and putting in a system to cater to each player's development. My only caveat being the previously mentioned wish for a little more work on basic fundamentals. 

4] I think Falvey/Levine have generally done a good job recognizing under the radar talent and brining it in successfully. Castro is a great example. Taylor for 1 season was a good and smart move. They've added some solid relievers in their time, whether for 1yr, or more than that, such as Wisler or Stewart, as just a couple of examples. And they've also wiffed a couple of times such as letting Hoffman walk to the Phillies, and the solid-not great Coulombe being let go for nothing when he could have been useful. Financial restraints make this part of the job difficult, but necessary. They bottomed out on about 6 arms this past season. But if Duarte doesn't suddenly throw out his arm early, Topa doesn't injur his knee in ST, and Stewart had been available for 40-50 IP this year, the pen might have been a bit different this season. They've been OK to solid on low budget moves, but need to self scout a little better. That includes a handful of existing AAA position players that maybe should have gotten better and earlier shots at some point when injuries affected the ML club.

5] I'm giving the FO a partial pass for the past two deadlines. I don't think getting burned in 2022 has made them scared. I think being a mid market team, and with the changes made to the playoff format, there are fewer teams looking to trade the past couple of seasons, and the cost of acquiring deadline talent has gotten almost uncomfortably high.

I think they do better in offseason moves, generally, and if the budget doesn't allow taking on salaries, that makes the prospect capital for a deadline deal that much more costly. So again, I give them a partial pass for the past two deadlines. 

Being just a little smarter...maybe 2 guys on bigger deals instead of 4 on lower deals for example...is a smarter way to go. Better internal scouting, again, can help build the team just a notch better/higher to begin the season.

6] The FO allowing a decent payroll, breaking even, being willing to take a loss of a few $M for a team that is part of the entertainment industry and would be something like a .05% of a multi $B family/corporation would sure make the FO job a lot easier. And while that is a different discussion, it's part of #7...

7] Does Falvey...and Levine...WANT to be part of the organization and stick around? I can see Levine being interested in being the #1 guy elsewhere. It's about growing in his career, and a new challenge, and putting his personal stamp on a team. But despite honestly deserved criticism of payroll cuts and blown telecast options and creating a poor association for fans, they hold well paying jobs that only 58 other men in the world hold. They're relatively well compensated, have had success, and seem to genuinely enjoy being part of the Twins, Minnesota, and their community. And there are certainly worse ownership groups and more stressful locations they could be working for and at. And other than some poor issues and recent developments already mentioned, I get the impression the FO is largely "hands off" in regard to ownership. 

I'd be surprised if Falvey wanted out at this time. I can understand if he would decide to, but I get the general impression he and his family are happy where they are. And I don't mean to say Levine is unhappy or wants out. He also might want to stay. I can just see him being tempted by an opportunity to sit in the #1 chair somewhere. 

I don't always agree with everything they do. But I like most of the job they've done since day #1. And no offense to the dedicated and cherished Terry Ryan, but they've done a great job bringing the Twins organization in to the 21st Century. I hope both stick around.

[karcherd]

2 hours ago, DocBauer said:

Some interesting points made. My $.05 worth:

1] PH is a fine tactic to have, and use. And having a couple "platoon" bats available at certain spots makes sense. BUT A) you can't fall as often in to the trap of PH too early in the game. That leaves you WITHOUT key bats you've already removed from the game in the late innings, and B) ALL of the 13 position players should be ABLE to solid ball and hit the ball with some degree of success, even against same side pitching.

I fully recognize the long standing issues of LH bats performing, generally, much poorer against LH arms. It's just a fact. But it's silly to build your lineup in such a way that you have RH bats on your bench that are only successful against LH pitching and lousy against RH arms. You're OVER PLAYING your roster to 20-25% of that split. And at times...witness Margot this season...there are going to be times when your "lefty smashers" are going to be pressed in to greater than "expected" duty. You've cut off your nose to spite your face.

Let's assume, for a moment, that someone like Keirsey could hit well enough at the ML level in 2025 to be a legitimate backup CF for Buxton, as well as the corner spots, and be a valuable PR as well. Not saying he's great, or a difference maker, just a solid, not embarrassing performer. But you still want/need another RH OF bat. Then sign or trade for a decent corner RH OF who can at least keep his OPS somewhere CLOSE to the league average. I mean, would a .670 OPS be that awful? Beats the hell out of something in the high .500's or low .600's.

Nobody that's a stud, or a star, or an expensive, daily starter...just a good bat against LH pitching who's competent against RH pitching. 

2] I fully embrace positional flexibility for the roster. But I think some get in an unnecessary tizzy about this approach. Baseball has ALWAYS embraced positional flexibility. Traditionally, they have been called a 4th OF and UTILITY player. But when you have a 13 man roster, you need to have such flexibility at times. Catchers are catchers. Correa is THE SS. Lewis plays 3B because Correa is at SS and he's just not a great SS any longer. But if Lewis can play 2B once in a while, and he should be able to do so, that's flexibility due to injuries, days off, or late game moves, etc. Miranda has improved his 3B defense, and shows some potential at 1B as well. Nobody is asking him to play 2B/SS/OF. Nobody is asking Wallner or Larnach to play CF, just both corner spots. Part of what makes Castro so valuable is not just because he's a good offensive player, but because he can help virtually everywhere. 

Seemingly forever, and for various reasons, MILB players usually play more than a single spot. That's so everyone can play, better prospects can be in the lineup daily even at different locations, and sometimes a top prospect might end up moving to a different spot at the ML level simply because they are blocked by a top player, and/or because there's opportunity elsewhere. Lee...once his bat comes around...is a prime example. He's a solid SS, but an even better 2B and 3B it appears.

There's a lot of really good ML players past and present from other teams that have been successful playing more than a single spot. I embrace the Twins philosophy of positional flexibility. I think much too much has been made of this when injuries have created a couple of unintended scrambles. But I will admit to seeing a little too much in the way of general lapses in the field, or on the basepaths, that I think need to be cleaned up. Rookies and young players almost undoubtedly will make more mistakes than veteran players. But I'd like to see a little more emphasis placed on the general fundamentals.

3] I think the farm system is in great shape! It's filled with solid depth, some high ceiling players, and the best pitching depth I can remember in maybe decades. And some has already begun to arrive, or are getting really close. The FO, lead by Falvey/Levive has done a great job finding that young talent, and putting in a system to cater to each player's development. My only caveat being the previously mentioned wish for a little more work on basic fundamentals. 

4] I think Falvey/Levine have generally done a good job recognizing under the radar talent and brining it in successfully. Castro is a great example. Taylor for 1 season was a good and smart move. They've added some solid relievers in their time, whether for 1yr, or more than that, such as Wisler or Stewart, as just a couple of examples. And they've also wiffed a couple of times such as letting Hoffman walk to the Phillies, and the solid-not great Coulombe being let go for nothing when he could have been useful. Financial restraints make this part of the job difficult, but necessary. They bottomed out on about 6 arms this past season. But if Duarte doesn't suddenly throw out his arm early, Topa doesn't injur his knee in ST, and Stewart had been available for 40-50 IP this year, the pen might have been a bit different this season. They've been OK to solid on low budget moves, but need to self scout a little better. That includes a handful of existing AAA position players that maybe should have gotten better and earlier shots at some point when injuries affected the ML club.

5] I'm giving the FO a partial pass for the past two deadlines. I don't think getting burned in 2022 has made them scared. I think being a mid market team, and with the changes made to the playoff format, there are fewer teams looking to trade the past couple of seasons, and the cost of acquiring deadline talent has gotten almost uncomfortably high.

I think they do better in offseason moves, generally, and if the budget doesn't allow taking on salaries, that makes the prospect capital for a deadline deal that much more costly. So again, I give them a partial pass for the past two deadlines. 

Being just a little smarter...maybe 2 guys on bigger deals instead of 4 on lower deals for example...is a smarter way to go. Better internal scouting, again, can help build the team just a notch better/higher to begin the season.

6] The FO allowing a decent payroll, breaking even, being willing to take a loss of a few $M for a team that is part of the entertainment industry and would be something like a .05% of a multi $B family/corporation would sure make the FO job a lot easier. And while that is a different discussion, it's part of #7...

7] Does Falvey...and Levine...WANT to be part of the organization and stick around? I can see Levine being interested in being the #1 guy elsewhere. It's about growing in his career, and a new challenge, and putting his personal stamp on a team. But despite honestly deserved criticism of payroll cuts and blown telecast options and creating a poor association for fans, they hold well paying jobs that only 58 other men in the world hold. They're relatively well compensated, have had success, and seem to genuinely enjoy being part of the Twins, Minnesota, and their community. And there are certainly worse ownership groups and more stressful locations they could be working for and at. And other than some poor issues and recent developments already mentioned, I get the impression the FO is largely "hands off" in regard to ownership. 

I'd be surprised if Falvey wanted out at this time. I can understand if he would decide to, but I get the general impression he and his family are happy where they are. And I don't mean to say Levine is unhappy or wants out. He also might want to stay. I can just see him being tempted by an opportunity to sit in the #1 chair somewhere. 

I don't always agree with everything they do. But I like most of the job they've done since day #1. And no offense to the dedicated and cherished Terry Ryan, but they've done a great job bringing the Twins organization in to the 21st Century. I hope both stick around.

This is a reasonable and fair analysis. A couple of points I disagree with, if you target having 6 to 7 solid starting position players, the need for positional flexibility is greatly reduced.  Yes having a utility IF has always been part of roster construction, but we are trying to combine the utility infielder and 4th OF position and that doesn't work.  So they create the need for positional flexibility by not developing everyday players and turning players into platoon players.   As for the bullpen, counting on Stewart was a hope and a prayer.  He has never pitched over 30 innings, you can't go into the season with counting on him, you need to take what he gives you as frosting not the cake.  They have done this consistently with the bullpen, they obtain players with limited track records who have bounced around the league.  Or they acquire injured pitchers or pitchers with histories of injuries.  I get taking a chance on one or two and hoping you hit the lottery.  But you can't build the framework of your bullpen this way.  This year they had 6 relievers that fit into this category that they were hoping would be integral parts of the bullpen and none were for even half the year.  No wonder it fell apart.

[jaimedude]

Defund the Pohlads guy was tresspassed by Twins.  I  know the have ban on profane speech and signs. Can Twins trespass  fans for signs like this? I know there are a lot of Twins fans very un-happy ownership. I know Twins are private business but technically the Government owns the stadium. Seems like a one ban is harsh unless the sign owner made threats. Just know he was highlighting many people's frustration with Twins ownership. As to the question of note, no but Falvey is on double secret probation. 

 

[gunnarthor]

Well, I've been against this FO for a few seasons now. They've been given a lot of advantages and always managed to under perform except for 2019. Now we came in fourth in the AL Central - somehow - and I thought that should be the final nail. Alas.

The reality is, I don't really care anymore. I barely follow the Twins. The TV mess combined with horrible owners, complaints about fans from FO folks (St. Peter), and a boring on-field product, I've checked out. Before the season, I said we had the potential to have a strong offense and, sometimes, that was clear. But I also said the pitching was going to be bad and, while it was actually better than I expected, it was 10th in era and just wasn't good enough.

So I think Falvey should be gone. But, really, I want a complete clean start. No matter who the FO has been - Ryan, Smith, Favine - the constant has been the Pohlads. I want them gone.