Twins v Rangers Ump Scorecard

[jorgenswest]

1 hour ago, GusGus11 said:

MLB made the call they needed Texas to snap their streak. They didnt.

I couldn’t disagree more. 

[jorgenswest]

45 minutes ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

Is it possible that MLB loves the ability to have the umpires swing a game to a larger market team, especially when it impacts the ability to get to and when in the playoffs?

Not possible.

[gman]

The more batters that come up through the minors with disciplined strikes zones, the better for the Twins, as well as other teams. The Twins currently have more hitters climbing through the system with high walk to strikeout rates then at any time I can remember. Future Twins(perhaps) Martin and Prato both have exceptional walk/strikeout rates.

The pitchers may also be helped by having a consistent  strike zone that they have to learn to advance. Pitchers may have to evolve to be pitchers again instead of just hard throwers.

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

Is it possible that MLB loves the ability to have the umpires swing a game to a larger market team, especially when it impacts the ability to get to and when in the playoffs?  This is an entertainment industry that whether they say it or not is dependent on large market $.  Not saying this always happens, but I would not be surprised if it does occasionally.

I don't believe there is any good that comes from conspiracy theories as the last half decade has proven. Baseball just needs to make a decision on electronics. Yes, use the ABS sysstem or at least a challenge call along with the current other challenges. No, drop all electronics and challenges. Just make a decision. It isn't like there is a block on future tweaks as well.

[Blyleven2011]

18 hours ago, USAFChief said:

I'd back off my long standing opinion that an electronic strike zone won't be better than the current model, or improve the game, if I thought for one second people would stop bitching about it.

But I suspect that won't happen, so no.

Leave the game alone. Take the silly inaccurate box off the broadcast and you've solved the problem.

 

I concur about removing the strike zone box  , but I also would recommend a eye test , concussion tests , drug and last but not least  a sobriety  test ... 

It's not just balls and strikes , it's also the runners and  balls in play  ...

[Craig Arko]

36 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

I concur about removing the strike zone box  , but I also would recommend a eye test , concussion tests , drug and last but not least  a sobriety  test ... 

It's not just balls and strikes , it's also the runners and  balls in play  ...

Are you talking about the umpires or the fans?

[RpR]

I have often wondered with this pitch framing bs, if umpires decide with the catcher moving his glove to supposedly fool an umpire into calling a ball a strike, the umpire figures two can play that game and widens or shrinks the strike zone to spite the catcher.

[Major League Ready]

19 hours ago, USAFChief said:

I'd back off my long standing opinion that an electronic strike zone won't be better than the current model, or improve the game, if I thought for one second people would stop bitching about it.

But I suspect that won't happen, so no.

Leave the game alone. Take the silly inaccurate box off the broadcast and you've solved the problem.

 

Are you really saying you don't think technology can be developed that will be more accurate than humans or are you saying an accurate and consistent strike zone would not be better for the game?

[Craig Arko]

Are folks around here familiar with something called “The Ship of Theseus” problem?

In context here, if you make enough piecemeal changes to the game of baseball is it still the game of baseball? I think the answer is yes and no, but worry about the proportions. 

[NotAboutWinning]

10 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Are folks around here familiar with something called “The Ship of Theseus” problem?

In context here, if you make enough piecemeal changes to the game of baseball is it still the game of baseball? I think the answer is yes and no, but worry about the proportions. 

If anything, the recent changes brought baseball back to it's more natural form. It is sad that it took technology to do it, but pitchers and batters were never going to correct the slowing pace on their own. 

[Mike Sixel]

33 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Are folks around here familiar with something called “The Ship of Theseus” problem?

In context here, if you make enough piecemeal changes to the game of baseball is it still the game of baseball? I think the answer is yes and no, but worry about the proportions. 

They've made no major changes to the game in decades. 

[tony&rodney]

2 hours ago, RpR said:

I have often wondered with this pitch framing bs, if umpires decide with the catcher moving his glove to supposedly fool an umpire into calling a ball a strike, the umpire figures two can play that game and widens or shrinks the strike zone to spite the catcher.

I have never umpired above American Legion baseball. I also only did the gig for about four years. I enjoyed it and was pretty good at it. Some of those teenage kids throw fairly hard but don't begin to have the movement and stuff of an MLB pitcher. So I have no idea what it is like to umpire professionals.

An umpire sets the parameters of the strike zone and then makes a call based on where they see the ball in relationship to the zone. The catcher's mitt and movement are extraneous. A catcher can miss a ball right down the middle which is called a strike and never move their glove and the pitch is called a ball because the catcher set up outside of the zone. This often draws a "Blue, where was that pitch?" comment. Teenage catchers were remarkable honest about calls and seldom did anyone question a reasonable call.

I have always wondered how someone focused on the ball can see a mitt which is below and in front of the catcher, who is in front of the umpire. I could not focus on where the catcher caught the ball and the moving of the glove seemed silly because the call decision has already been made. The analytics make claims on framing which seems somewhat dubious but not worth arguing about either way. I will not dispute that there are numbers collected.

Any umpire who has any pride at all in their performance has a system to remind them to ignore comments and actions from others. Of course the umpire is also human. This is just my opinion and others may see the whole deal with umpires differently. I think spending the time making calls had some influence in my playing and coaching views toward umpires, although I do get irritated by blatantly poor calls or professional umpires who lose their composure.

[RpR]

21 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

They've made no major changes to the game in decades. 

Except for the extra innings asininity!

[Nine of twelve]

I’ve made this comment on at least one previous thread but I think it bears repeating.

 I do not see the point of a challenge system for balls and strikes calls. It seems just silly. In the event of a challenge the electronic call stands, which makes two points. One, there’s no reason not to simply use the electronic call in the first place. Two, by defaulting to the electronic call baseball is acknowledging that the electronic call is more likely than the human call to be correct, and probably significantly so. And both these points argue in favor of the implementation of electronic calls for all MLB games beginning in spring training of 2024.

[Platoon]

On 8/26/2023 at 9:47 AM, GusGus11 said:

https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1695444993471594745/photo/1

 

Basically Torres was only bad against us last night

MLB made the call they needed Texas to snap their streak. They didnt.

Seriously, does everything have to be a conspiracy?  Sheesh!

[stringer bell]

Just wanted to mention that the home plate umpire was rated very good last night. Only two missed calls all night, both benefiting the Twins. I assume that doesn’t include borderline calls, just clear misses. 

[Platoon]

On 8/25/2023 at 6:10 PM, USAFChief said:

I'd back off my long standing opinion that an electronic strike zone won't be better than the current model, or improve the game, if I thought for one second people would stop bitching about it.

But I suspect that won't happen, so no.

Leave the game alone. Take the silly inaccurate box off the broadcast and you've solved the problem.

 

Totally agree. In one post it was stated that 94% accuracy was an acceptable level for a MLB ump, that’s fair.  It surely exceeds the success of players in most aspects of the game, not to speak of the front  office in trades, drafts, etc. Frankly I wonder if 94% of the fans can remember where they parked their car after the game?