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Game Thread: Twins (Ryan) @ Cardinals (Hudson), 8/2/23 @ 6:45 CT

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I’ve been on the “promote Keuchel for a couple of Ryan’s starts” bandwagon for a while. What is the actual status on Keuchel?

We know that Keuchel opted out, but there have been several reports of the Twins having “a couple of days” to add him. Do they maintain exclusivity for a certain number of days? If so, how many?

I note that Keuchel last pitched on Friday, and the Twins are two days into a stretch with 13 straight. They haven’t announced weekend starters. I’d welcome seeing Keuchel Friday night. 

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Nine of twelve
Nine of twelve

Can we please have the good Joe Ryan back for tonight's game?

GCTF
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Just wanted to say that until further notice Nootbaar is my new favourite baseball player's name.

LastOnePicked
LastOnePicked

They couldn't play baseball either, huh?

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1 minute ago, glunn said:

One reason might be that the Twins cannot hit lefties.

Sure.  Another is just so that the Twins don't sign him.  

Both defeat the purpose of a fire sale though.

TwinsAlmostWin College Ball

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Ben Clemens of Fangraphs wrote on July 17th that Joe Ryan's fastball-first mentality was going to work long term. I disagree unless Joe can find a better offspeed pitch. His fastball has a 1.23 runs above average/100 pitches and he throws it 58% of the time. His splitter, has a 0.91 runs above average/100 pitches and is thrown 28% of the time. So he throws two pitches 86% of the time, and they have a combined 2.14 runs above average/100 pitches, so that's great. The problem is, his only other offering is a slider, and it has a -3.35 runs above average/100 pitches, for a total -1.21 (I don't believe the stats above include this drag show of a game). 

Joe obviously cannot succeed as a two pitch pitcher (if he dropped the slider altogether), and he seemingly can't succeed with his current approach. Furthermore, the stats above don't account for the fact that MLB teams seemed to have recently figured him out, so his previous results are likely much better than what is expected going forward. I think it is high time Joe ditches the slider and finds another offspeed pitch, otherwise I think his shine is short lived. 

 

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Just now, LastOnePicked said:

They couldn't play baseball either, huh?

Well, yes, but they also had the fortune of competing within a very weak division and were clearly not good enough to win the Super Bowl.

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25 minutes ago, TwinsAlmostWin said:

Ben Clemens of Fangraphs wrote on July 17th that Joe Ryan's fastball-first mentality was going to work long term. I disagree unless Joe can find a better offspeed pitch. His fastball has a 1.23 runs above average/100 pitches and he throws it 58% of the time. His splitter, has a 0.91 runs above average/100 pitches and is thrown 28% of the time. So he throws two pitches 86% of the time, and they have a combined 2.14 runs above average/100 pitches, so that's great. The problem is, his only other offering is a slider, and it has a -3.35 runs above average/100 pitches, for a total -1.21 (I don't believe the stats above include this drag show of a game). 

Joe obviously cannot succeed as a two pitch pitcher (if he dropped the slider altogether), and he seemingly can't succeed with his current approach. Furthermore, the stats above don't account for the fact that MLB teams seemed to have recently figured him out, so his previous results are likely much better than what is expected going forward. I think it is high time Joe ditches the slider and finds another offspeed pitch, otherwise I think his shine is short lived. 

 

Is his fastball and splitter still above average over these last few starts? Hard to believe this rough stretch is just a pitch mix problem. 

IndyTwinsFan FCL Twins

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3 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

Are there any seats left on the Wallner bandwagon? I’m in. 

The young man is playing like he wants to stay here.  Good for him (and us)!

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7 minutes ago, David A said:

Is his fastball and splitter still above average over these last few starts? Hard to believe this rough stretch is just a pitch mix problem. 

Pitch Location ,  Lately ,  Meatballs mean Homers 

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55 minutes ago, David A said:

Is his fastball and splitter still above average over these last few starts? Hard to believe this rough stretch is just a pitch mix problem. 

Fastball is -2.17 over his last 3 and his splitter is -13.42. So yeah, definitely not a pitch mix issue, as all his pitches have been bad to brutal over the last three. So I guess the fastball and splitter have worked over the "long term" and nothing has worked in the short term. Whatever that means is above my pay grade. 

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