Twins 6, Red Sox 0: A Shutout for Joe Ryan and a BIG Win for the Twins

[Nashvilletwin]

I’m savouring this win.  It’s been a long time coming to see a pitching performance like Ryan’s, BB back on track, a clean game in the field, and smart, aggressive play on the base paths - all in one game.

Seriously, this might have been the most complete game the Twins have played as a team in five plus years,  I hope all of us TDers are around to see another one - lol.

 

[USAFChief]

9 hours ago, jkcarew said:

Complete game is one thing...but complete game shutout is something else again. They’ve never been ‘easy’ or ‘common’.

Verlander has 9; Kershaw 15; Santana and Radke both had 10.

Congrats, Joe!

For some historical perspective, Bert Blyleven had sixty (60).

Sixty shutouts.

[Aerodeliria]

Ahh, that was a relief and a rescue.

 

My only complaint about this thread is my inadvertent screen touches of clickbait ads, which are always slightly less annoying when we win :-)

[Whitey333]

Great win.  Great job Joe Ryan.   Ert Blyleven and his 61 career shutout wins I'm sure is very proud of you as well.  Very nice two games against Boston.  Now on to Detroit.  Let's not blow this opportunity This time.  Remember last week when we played two great games against Brewers then laid an egg by losing 3 of 4 to Tigers and first two of Boston series and playing very poor baseball losing 5 of 6.  With Braves and Orioles coming up we cannot afford to lay another egg.  We all keep hoping that something sparks the team into a win ING streak.  Buxton?  Good for him.  Let's face the facts here.  A 3 game hitting g streak albeit a nice and timely one doesn't erase the otherwise poor year he is having.  When he is hitting poorly the manager is quick to point out its due to his injuries.  It's funny how the injury talk goes away when he gets in one of his increasingly infrequent hot streaks.  But we need buck and Carlos if we are to really be competitive.  Let's sweep the Tigers.  Go Twins

[DJL44]

8 hours ago, VivaBomboRivera! said:

9 inning, 112 pitches, 9 ks, no walks and 3 hits later...

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere that Ryan threw a no-walker. Was everyone making sure they didn't discuss it to keep from jinxing the no-walker? Is that the first no-walker of the 2023 season? Who is the last pitcher to throw a no-walker?

[TwinsDr2021]

55 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

For some historical perspective, Bert Blyleven had sixty (60).

Sixty shutouts.

What the those pitchers did was absolutely amazing. it is pretty obvious no pitcher will likely ever do that again, and probably won't even get close to completing that many games. So the question becomes will a Twins pitcher get to 60 wins? Gibson got to 67 as a Twins and Berrios got to 55 as Twins. Joe Ryan is sitting at 23 right now.

With that said half of the runs didn't come via a solo homer, which is a good sign. The hits doubled the K's another good sign, Gallo didn't play another good sign. Don't understand pinch hitting for your #3 batter but that can be forgiven today. Ryan was amazing and efficient and when talking about the best starters in the American league he should be right there with McClanahan after the 3 studs (Cole, Valdez, and Eovaldi)

I also think it was hugely important he didn't walk a batter, because if he did he likely wouldn't have been give a chance to complete the game. By my math he was sitting at 98 pitches after the 8th, add another 4 plus pitches and there is really no chance he coming back out in the 9th.

Now lets see this offense continue to hit and score and the starters go a bit further so we don't have to see this ratty arse bullpen pitch too much.

[Mark G]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

For some historical perspective, Bert Blyleven had sixty (60).

Sixty shutouts.

Along with 242 complete games, and 287 wins.  And he couldn't make the HOF until, what, his last year of eligibility?  How can anyone make the HOF again if that standard is marginal?  JR will never reach those numbers, but he is blossoming into a staff ace.  

[USNMCPO]

That game was the most fun to watch in a very long time. 

[jkcarew]

3 hours ago, USAFChief said:

For some historical perspective, Bert Blyleven had sixty (60).

Sixty shutouts.

Yeah...didn't want to mention that 😉. 

But, yeah....Blyleven was not normal. Incredibly underappreciated in his time because of the really bad offensive teams he pitched for (until the back end of his career).

I just did some checking...about 1 out of every 11 Blyleven starts resulted in a complete game shutout. The list of players who did better than this are almost all dead-ball era guys (e.g., Grover Cleveland Alexander, Walter Johnson)...or players who had the heart of their career before the mound was lowered in 1969 (e.g., Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson).

The guys that remain better than Blyleven in this regard...Jim Palmer, Tom Seaver, Louis Tiant (although, Tiant's career straddled the mound change.) That's it.

Blyleven threw complete game shutouts more frequently than...

Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton (career straddled mound change), Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens...and everybody else.

[USAFChief]

50 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

Yeah...didn't want to mention that 😉. 

But, yeah....Blyleven was not normal. Incredibly underappreciated in his time because of the really bad offensive teams he pitched for (until the back end of his career).

I just did some checking...about 1 out of every 11 Blyleven starts resulted in a complete game shutout. The list of players who did better than this are almost all dead-ball era guys (e.g., Grover Cleveland Alexander, Walter Johnson)...or players who had the heart of their career before the mound was lowered in 1969 (e.g., Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson).

The guys that remain better than Blyleven in this regard...Jim Palmer, Tom Seaver, Louis Tiant (although, Tiant's career straddled the mound change.) That's it.

Blyleven threw complete game shutouts more frequently than...

Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton (career straddled mound change), Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens...and everybody else.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but IIRC Bert also suffered 50-some 1-0 losses over his career.

 

[TwinsDr2021]

3 hours ago, Mark G said:

Along with 242 complete games, and 287 wins.  And he couldn't make the HOF until, what, his last year of eligibility?  How can anyone make the HOF again if that standard is marginal?  JR will never reach those numbers, but he is blossoming into a staff ace.  

I read an article ( I will see if I can find it )talking about the end of HOF pitchers, the pitchers that will be up for the HOF after Verlander, Kershaw and Scherzer numbers are going to look so bad compared to the HOF's, If you look at the active win leaders there are 4 over 200 (Verlander - 246, Greinke, Scherzer and Kershaw) if any beside Verlander gets to 250 that would be a surprise. Gerrit Cole has 138 at age 32 (he has to average 14 wins the next 8 years to get to 250), then the leader under the age of 30 is..........................Jose Berrios with 79. Nola does have 84 at age 30.

Next after Berrios is Marquez (28) with 65 wins, Bieber (28) has 59. One of the greatest pitchers I have seen has 84 at age 35 (deGrom)

Wrong thread for this but Joe Ryan is 27 and has 23 wins, 

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, jkcarew said:

The guys that remain better than Blyleven in this regard...Jim Palmer, Tom Seaver, Louis Tiant (although, Tiant's career straddled the mound change.) That's it.

Tiant should be in the Hall too.

[DJL44]

33 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I read an article ( I will see if I can find it )talking about the end of HOF pitchers, the pitchers that will be up for the HOF after Verlander, Kershaw and Scherzer numbers are going to look so bad compared to the HOF's, If you look at the active win leaders there are 4 over 200 (Verlander - 246, Greinke, Scherzer and Kershaw) if any beside Verlander gets to 250 that would be a surprise. Gerrit Cole has 138 at age 32 (he has to average 14 wins the next 8 years to get to 250), then the leader under the age of 30 is..........................Jose Berrios with 79. Nola does have 84 at age 30.

Next after Berrios is Marquez (28) with 65 wins, Bieber (28) has 59. One of the greatest pitchers I have seen has 84 at age 35 (deGrom)

Wrong thread for this but Joe Ryan is 27 and has 23 wins, 

Johan Santana and David Cone look really good compared to the current generation of starting pitchers. Yet they couldn't even stay on the ballot.

[jkcarew]

1 hour ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I read an article ( I will see if I can find it )talking about the end of HOF pitchers, the pitchers that will be up for the HOF after Verlander, Kershaw and Scherzer numbers are going to look so bad compared to the HOF's, If you look at the active win leaders there are 4 over 200 (Verlander - 246, Greinke, Scherzer and Kershaw) if any beside Verlander gets to 250 that would be a surprise. Gerrit Cole has 138 at age 32 (he has to average 14 wins the next 8 years to get to 250), then the leader under the age of 30 is..........................Jose Berrios with 79. Nola does have 84 at age 30.

Next after Berrios is Marquez (28) with 65 wins, Bieber (28) has 59. One of the greatest pitchers I have seen has 84 at age 35 (deGrom)

Wrong thread for this but Joe Ryan is 27 and has 23 wins, 

Fwiw…HOF-wise, I think pitchers will start getting evaluated/recognized against different criteria since even the best will be denied opportunity to reach some of the traditional counting stats…although I think longevity will always hold some sway.

The very best of EVERY era (and only the very best) belong in the hall, IMO.

[Blyleven2011]

4 hours ago, USAFChief said:

I'm too lazy to look it up, but IIRC Bert also suffered 50-some 1-0 losses over his career.

 

Don't forget  he gave up 46 homers  in 1987 but mostly solos and they didn't  hurt as much so he keeps saying ..

Bert being Bert  ...

[TwinsDr2021]

21 hours ago, jkcarew said:

Fwiw…HOF-wise, I think pitchers will start getting evaluated/recognized against different criteria since even the best will be denied opportunity to reach some of the traditional counting stats…although I think longevity will always hold some sway.

The very best of EVERY era (and only the very best) belong in the hall, IMO.

What type of Criteria? Some of the better starters might not even get to the counting numbers of some of the relief pitchers in the HOF.

Who is the best starters from this ERA, it seems like it is still the older group. Verlander, Max, Clayton, then Cole. then a whole bunch of pitchers in their late 20's early 30's with very little counting stats. I mean right now Berrios is kind of the counting stat leader in the age group.