Game Thread: Twins @ Guardians, noon:10 cdt, 0th July 2022ad

[AceWrigley]

10 walks and counting.

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, SpicyGarvSauce said:

Bundy stinks, though. He is literally only useful against garbage teams. His 88 mph fastball isn't working long term.

Taking him out of the rotation is part of my reasoning. I'd much rather have Winder in the rotation than as a piggyback. Gray, Ryan, Winder, Archer/Bundy, Smeltzer would be my setup for now. Injuries tend to figure things out so Ober coming back is probably solved by one of those 6 not being available anyways.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

Just now, Jerr said:

Cleveland with 2 hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

And they're going to win it...on a bases loaded, walk off BB.

[MMMordabito]

Haha! 

Provus:  "And Ramirez is about to steal second base here.  He will waste little time doing that with Jeffers behind the plate."

[wsnydes]

Just now, nicksaviking said:

Anyone who swings the bat for Cleveland this inning  will probably be on waivers tomorrow.

And they'd deserve it.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

Just now, chpettit19 said:

Taking him out of the rotation is part of my reasoning. I'd much rather have Winder in the rotation than as a piggyback. Gray, Ryan, Winder, Archer/Bundy, Smeltzer would be my setup for now. Injuries tend to figure things out so Ober coming back is probably solved by one of those 6 not being available anyways.

Bundy shouldn't be on this staff, period.

[USAFChief]

Shouldn't this "pitching pipeline" I heard so much about be helping by now?

[nicksaviking]

Strike One!

[Aggies7]

3 walks away from the team record 

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, wsnydes said:

It's not just today.  This offense has disappeared for long stretches of games, let alone innings, all year long.

Look. It's not on the offense and it's not Rocco.  This is a 3-0 shutout. Bieber stifles the Twins a lot. These 4 inning starts are the problem. It's like a bridge too far

[SpicyGarvSauce]

LMAO

[SpicyGarvSauce]

This is going to be one hell of a way to send off Wes Johnson.

[LVTwinsfan]

Hes aiming for the bull…. Steak dinner 

[nicksaviking]

Strike Two!

[chpettit19]

4 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Well my opinion is that they need Ober back, or call up Woods Richardson or Varland and put Archer IN the bullpen. I know he's been really good as a starter, but he'd likely be very good as a reliever, and doing so would also help with the problem the team has with him only going 4 innings.

Yeah, I'd be good with that, too. Don't know how he'd feel about it, though. I'd love him as a 2 innings guy multiple times a week.

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Shouldn't this "pitching pipeline" I heard so much about be helping by now?

Yes

[AstrosTwins]

Man, need a double play here….

[SpicyGarvSauce]

Just now, chpettit19 said:

Yeah, I'd be good with that, too. Don't know how he'd feel about it, though. I'd love him as a 2 innings guy multiple times a week.

Sorry, he doesn't get the choice at this point. EVERY game this guy starts, it taxes the bullpen...which then affects the next game, and the next game.

[nicksaviking]

Strike Three!

[wsnydes]

1 minute ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Look. It's not on the offense and it's not Rocco.  This is a 3-0 shutout. Bieber stifles the Twins a lot. These 4 inning starts are the problem. It's like a bridge too far

It's not just Bieber that stifles the Twins.  It's not just the bullpen.  The offense deserves plenty of blame as well.  They score a lot, or nothing.

[PDX Twin]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Shouldn't this "pitching pipeline" I heard so much about be helping by now?

The terminus of the Twins' pitching pipeline is the hospital.

[nicksaviking]

Seems like running on Jeffers would be an atypical but wise move here.

[CRF]

If by some divine miracle, we go to extras. Does Thorny get the 10th? 

[AstrosTwins]

2 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Look. It's not on the offense and it's not Rocco.  This is a 3-0 shutout. Bieber stifles the Twins a lot. These 4 inning starts are the problem. It's like a bridge too far

This is an absolute gold star post. I know they are trying to protect Archer but 4 inning starts for a team with a weak bullpen is a MASSIVE problem and a poor game plan.

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, SpicyGarvSauce said:

Sorry, he doesn't get the choice at this point. EVERY game this guy starts, it taxes the bullpen...which then affects the next game, and the next game.

Been saying this since May. 

[nicksaviking]

Just now, CRF said:

If by some divine miracle, we go to extras. Does Thorny get the 10th? 

The 10th will be thorny regardless.

[SwainZag]

 

Just now, wsnydes said:

It's not just Bieber that stifles the Twins.  It's not just the bullpen.  The offense deserves plenty of blame as well.  They score a lot, or nothing.

There have been so many base runners left in scoring position this whole series, minus today.  So frustrating.

[AstrosTwins]

1 minute ago, CRF said:

If by some divine miracle, we go to extras. Does Thorny get the 10th? 

Hell no! He’s worn out now.

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, wsnydes said:

It's not just Bieber that stifles the Twins.  It's not just the bullpen.  The offense deserves plenty of blame as well.  They score a lot, or nothing.

How were Twins runs scored vs how were Clevelands. Im talking about THIS game

[chpettit19]

2 minutes ago, SpicyGarvSauce said:

Sorry, he doesn't get the choice at this point. EVERY game this guy starts, it taxes the bullpen...which then affects the next game, and the next game.

But if putting him in the pen makes him worse it doesn't fix anything. I don't blame him at all for not being able to go deep in games after all the time he's missed with injuries the last few years. The FO/Wes/Rocco/Whoever not having a plan for the starts they knew would be short from the beginning is the problem. He's pitched very well in his current role and I wouldn't mess with that if I have another choice.