Nick Senzel

[prouster]

According to MLB Trade Rumors, the Reds are apparently open to trading Nick Senzel after signing Mike Moustakas and Nicholas Castellanos to large contracts. Senzel comes with a lot of team control, some positional versatility, and a ton of upside in the bat. The Twins already have a formidable lineup, but it could still make some sense for them to check in with Cincinnati.

 

What do you all think? Would Senzel make sense for the Twins? What would it take to acquire him?

[Cody Pirkl]

The Reds are in win now mode just like the Twins and because of that, likely aren't looking for prospects in return. The two teams just aren't really a good match because they're both loaded in the outfield and are looking to add to the Major League roster right now. I think the biggest tie between Senzel and Minnesota is that he's been discussed in Lindor trade conversations. If the Reds are now motivated to move him, it could open up the chances of prying Lindor away and basically dumping Cleveland into sell mode.

[KFEY93]

 

The Reds are in win now mode just like the Twins and because of that, likely aren't looking for prospects in return. The two teams just aren't really a good match because they're both loaded in the outfield and are looking to add to the Major League roster right now. I think the biggest tie between Senzel and Minnesota is that he's been discussed in Lindor trade conversations. If the Reds are now motivated to move him, it could open up the chances of prying Lindor away and basically dumping Cleveland into sell mode.

I would be overly excited if Lindor went to a NL team and out of our division. He's annoyingly good and always causes issues for the Twins. 

[Seth Stohs]

Senzel is a 2B who played some CF last year...

 

Team him with Arraez? 4th OF? 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Per baseballtradevalues.com, Senzel is more valuable than any Twins player or prospect except for Kepler and Polanco.

 

It might take Lewis plus Jeffers, or Kirilloff plus Larnach?

[ashbury]

Senzel is a 2B who played some CF last year...

 

Team him with Arraez? 4th OF? 

b-ref.com has him playing the vast majority of his minor league innings at 3B.

 

Might be a Marwin comp, with a better bat.

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Per baseballtradevalues.com, Senzel is more valuable than any Twins player or prospect except for Kepler and Polanco.

 

It might take Lewis plus Jeffers, or Kirilloff plus Larnach?

if that’s the cost, I would rather hold on to the prospects to swing a trade for a starting pitcher

[drivlikejehu]

The Twins are not a match for Senzel at all. 

[akmanak]

Hard pass on this kid. We need to upgrade the pitching if we are going to dump a bunch of prospects for a .256 hitter.

[Seth Stohs]

 

b-ref.com has him playing the vast majority of his minor league innings at 3B.

 

Might be a Marwin comp, with a better bat.
 

 

That might be valuable in 2021. I like Senzel, but I just don't know that the Twins need for him or his type of player is very high. 

[prouster]

That might be valuable in 2021. I like Senzel, but I just don't know that the Twins need for him or his type of player is very high.

I’m pretty much agnostic on the matter—mostly my bias as a Twins fan had me wondering if there’s any way he’d make sense for the Twins. I agree it’s not a clean fit, but I also think he has enough upside that it’s not a crazy idea to make room for him.

[jkcarew]

MLB Trade Rumors run amuck. Reds clearly in win-now mode and shaking trees with arguably their most valuable trade asset in a position of depth. Looking for another major league piece and aren’t going to unload Senzel unless it’s part of a deal that returns something well established, if not a star.

[howieramone2]

Starting pitching needs to be center stage. We're set at 2B, CF, and if push comes to shove, Lewis brings versatile star power.

[bighat]

Twins have a bunch of above average guys that can play all over the infield. We've got a deep OF that includes virtually all of our top prospects.

 

What the heck do the Twins need Senzel for?

[Number3]

 

Twins have a bunch of above average guys that can play all over the infield. We've got a deep OF that includes virtually all of our top prospects.

 

What the heck do the Twins need Senzel for?

Or, really anyone else for that matter. Thanks for not being a would be GM as those who aren't happy unless the Twins are making some kind of a major roster move continuously. The Twins could literally go bankrupt trying to make every move under the sun and the NY team more than likely will be playing in the last week of Oct. and then the same cry will be "Why can't we beat the Yankees?"

Let the season play out for a while and if it makes sense to go after the whole ball of wax this year maybe give it a shot. If they can't win the Central again this year fire Rocco.

[prouster]

Or, really anyone else for that matter. Thanks for not being a would be GM as those who aren't happy unless the Twins are making some kind of a major roster move continuously. The Twins could literally go bankrupt trying to make every move under the sun and the NY team more than likely will be playing in the last week of Oct. and then the same cry will be "Why can't we beat the Yankees?"

Let the season play out for a while and if it makes sense to go after the whole ball of wax this year maybe give it a shot. If they can't win the Central again this year fire Rocco.

I don’t think anyone is saying they should make continuous transactions. I started the thread to see what people’s opinions were, because I think there are cases for and against this specific transaction.

[prouster]

Twins have a bunch of above average guys that can play all over the infield. We've got a deep OF that includes virtually all of our top prospects.

 

What the heck do the Twins need Senzel for?

What did they need Donaldson for? Maybe acquiring Senzel makes a Rosario or Buxton or Arraez trade more palatable. I’m not saying, “Do it, Twins, do it,” but I don’t think it’s dumb to ask about the merits of trading for Senzel.

[Cornholio]

Only if they include Castillo

[bighat]

 

What did they need Donaldson for? Maybe acquiring Senzel makes a Rosario or Buxton or Arraez trade more palatable. I’m not saying, “Do it, Twins, do it,” but I don’t think it’s dumb to ask about the merits of trading for Senzel.

I didn't say it was a "dumb" to start the discussion, there are no such questions.

 

It's just my opinion that the Twins have no need for this type of player as he doesn't address any glaring holes. The Twins fixed their first base problem with Donaldson.

[dex8425]

Seems like Senzel also would fill the same role that Nick Gordon could fill this year, if need be. If Marwin or AD get hurt, isn't Nick Gordon the first callup? Blankenhorn would be an option too. 

[Doctor Gast]

 

Per baseballtradevalues.com, Senzel is more valuable than any Twins player or prospect except for Kepler and Polanco.

 

It might take Lewis plus Jeffers, or Kirilloff plus Larnach?

WOW! I`d put Lewis in the same boat except Lewis is younger. Senzel is tooo expensive!

[IndianaTwin]

I've had Senzel on my fantasy team the last three years. That, along with my membership in IHG Rewards for having stayed at a Holiday Inn Express on multiple occasions, of course makes me an expert. (Please ignore the fact that said fantasy team has finished 8th, 9th, and 3rd during his three seasons with team LP.)

 

He's been highly regarded, a top 10 prospect for three years, in fact. But he's had a hard time staying healthy. He started out as a 3B, but then they moved him to 2B as his best opportunity to get his bat in the lineup. Last year, they moved him to CF to do the same. He missed much of 2018 because of Vertigo and a good part of last season because of shoulder issues, which they say are resolved. He's played multiple positions because he's good, not because he's a utility player.

 

I'd be interested as a buy-low guy who is closer to the majors than Kirilloff, etc., and better than Cave. While we're currently enamored with Arraez, I suspect Senzel will be better in the long term if he moves back to the infield. However, I suspect that Cincy still views him as worth enough to get a lot more than we'd be willing to offer, and I'd concur that we're not the best match in terms of what Cincy would be looking for.

[prouster]

I've had Senzel on my fantasy team the last three years. That, along with my membership in IHG Rewards for having stayed at a Holiday Inn Express on multiple occasions, of course makes me an expert. (Please ignore the fact that said fantasy team has finished 8th, 9th, and 3rd during his three seasons with team LP.)

 

He's been highly regarded, a top 10 prospect for three years, in fact. But he's had a hard time staying healthy. He started out as a 3B, but then they moved him to 2B as his best opportunity to get his bat in the lineup. Last year, they moved him to CF to do the same. He missed much of 2018 because of Vertigo and a good part of last season because of shoulder issues, which they say are resolved. He's played multiple positions because he's good, not because he's a utility player.

 

I'd be interested as a buy-low guy who is closer to the majors than Kirilloff, etc., and better than Cave. While we're currently enamored with Arraez, I suspect Senzel will be better in the long term if he moves back to the infield. However, I suspect that Cincy still views him as worth enough to get a lot more than we'd be willing to offer, and I'd concur that we're not the best match in terms of what Cincy would be looking for.

Yes, I think cost would be a much bigger issue than fit. The secret to winning isn’t so secret: have as many good players as you can get. It’s getting them that’s the hard part.

[nicksaviking]

I'm a bit discouraged that he didn't develop the power at the minor league levels. He clearly has strong on base and bat to ball skills so he looks like he'll be a fine player, but if I'm giving up legit prospects and I'm not getting a 5 tool player in return, I don't think I want the missing tool to be Power.

 

Unless we're trading for a pitcher, than I don't care how many HR he hits.

 

 

[Jham]

Yes, I think cost would be a much bigger issue than fit. The secret to winning isn’t so secret: have as many good players as you can get. It’s getting them that’s the hard part.

Also, the deeper/better the team, the more difficult it becomes to upgrade. All opportunities to do so should be taken seriously.

[Number3]

 

I don’t think anyone is saying they should make continuous transactions. I started the thread to see what people’s opinions were, because I think there are cases for and against this specific transaction.

See post below your post. Trade Rosario, trade Buxton, trade for Betts and Price, go after Coles, Bryant, So you trade prospects for a player to give you the flexibility to trade roster players for other players. Sounds continuous to me.

[prouster]

See post below your post. Trade Rosario, trade Buxton, trade for Betts and Price, go after Coles, Bryant, So you trade prospects for a player to give you the flexibility to trade roster players for other players. Sounds continuous to me.

It seems continuous because you’re reading posts from many different people on an internet message board, where things people say are recorded and coexist. No individual person says that all those things should happen. You’re lumping together multiple viewpoints.

 

It’s January. People discuss scenarios they know aren’t plausible.